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Nominator's rationale: There has been only one actual Blade tv series.
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Category:1990 International League season
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The result of the discussion was:Merge.
Timrollpickering (
talk) 19:26, 12 September 2016 (UTC)reply
I don't have any conceptual problem with this granular breakdown since it works fine
for the Major Leagues. But every single one of these categories contains just 1 article, such as
1990 International League season, so this approach muddles navigation. (2008 and 2009 also contain a few templates that are better grouped
here.) A double upmerge is not needed since all of the articles are already in
Category:International League seasons. No objection to recreating any of these if 5 or so articles ever materialize. -
RevelationDirect (
talk) 18:21, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment -- If this is kept at all, it needs "Baseball" as a disambiguator, as I cannot believe that no other sport has an international league.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 18:21, 28 August 2016 (UTC)reply
According to the
dab, there is no other sport with the name. The rest are all organizations of various types. While certain sports are "International" they don't name the leagues that way. The IL was only called that because there were teams in Canada at one time, and they'd used up a lot of other choices already.
MSJapan (
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Category:Fictional Detroit Police Department detectives
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I don't have any conceptual problem with these categories since they work fine
for New York City, but these categories only contain two articles total:
RoboCop and
Axel Foley. There is a sub-genre of
cop movies set in Detroit but few of the characters would be individually notable so the growth potential here is limited. No objection to recreating either category if 5 or so articles ever materialize. -
RevelationDirect (
talk) 18:19, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Upmerge 2 articles are not enough for even 1 category, let alone 2.
John Pack Lambert (
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Category:LGBT beaches
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Nominator's rationale: Single-item
WP:SMALLCAT with little prospect for expansion. While certainly there are some beaches in the world which are popular with LGBT beachgoers, there are few if any notable public beaches which are LGBT-oriented per se. But the latter is what it would take to make "LGBTness" appropriately
WP:DEFINING of a beach — the only beaches out there that would really satisfy that criterion are the private beaches of LGBT-oriented vacation resorts, but such a beach would be very unlikely to have the independent
notability necessary to get a standalone Wikipedia article at all. Public beaches are not defined by the fact that some of their users might be LGBT, however, which means there really aren't other beaches that could be added to expand this.
Bearcat (
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Category:LGBT terms
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Nominator's rationale: Per many other similar categories (e.g. those for books, films, music, etc.), consensus has clearly established that the category system needs to maintain a better distinction between "LGBT" for people and "LGBT-related" for inanimate objects and concepts that are related to the LGBT community but don't technically have their own innate sexual orientation. Further, as currently named this category could easily be misunderstood as including only sexual identity labels like "gay" or "lesbian" or "bisexual" or "transgender" themselves — but in reality it also contains related concepts, such as "beefcake magazine", "kiki", "outing", "poppers", "queer baiting" and "throw shade", which are not labels for people.
Bearcat (
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Lean Toward Eventual Deletion/Rename if Kept Really the titles of all Wikipedia articles are a "term" so I'd favor diffusing the contents of this category into the appropriate LGBT sub-category for what the term actually means and phasing out this category. (That's not to say that there might not be a viable category for LGBT and Language though with the often coded meaning, like
Pronoun game.) No objection to the proposed name if the category is kept.
RevelationDirect (
talk) 21:18, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Purge (e.g. articles like
Circuit party aren't about linguistics). Neutral on rename. DexDor(talk) 19:58, 28 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete these articles, or the subset I perused, are not about the linguistic origins of these terms, but the concepts they label ("closet" talks about hiding one's homosexuality; "outing" talks about disclosing homosexuality of someone in the closet), these are not like our articles on
fuck or
shit which talk about the term, derivation, usage, etc. not about sexual intercourse or feces.
Carlossuarez46 (
talk) 21:16, 29 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Selectively merge to
Category:LGBT, i.e. only merge articles and subcats that are not otherwise in the LGBT tree. After this merge, the category can be deleted, per previous comments.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 09:43, 2 September 2016 (UTC)reply
LGBT terminology I suggest renaming to LGBT terminology as part of my approved proposal
[here], which aims to changes all "terms" categories into "terminology".
CN1 (
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Category:Drama novels
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Nominator's rationale: This is a new category, with the explanation "Novels in the drama genre". The page
Drama (genre) redirects to a page about film & TV which starts, "Drama is the specific mode of fiction represented in performance." It does not make sense to me to apply this to novels. –
FayenaticLondon 09:47, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
keep' Drama means dramatic, these novels are dramatic and goodreads.com lists them as such.
Darunia02 (
talk) 12:35, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete – categories should be based on a defining characteristic intrinsic to the article. An external list such as goodreads is not at all suitable.
Oculi (
talk) 13:05, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete per the nominator and Oculi. When a category creator's Talk page has multiple warnings for genre changes at multiple articles, it's all the more reason to take a hard look at what he's doing. The new
Category:War action films and
Category:War thriller films, on the August 26 log, also created by Darunia02, should be deleted as well. Be aware Darunia02 blanked the CfD of all three earlier today. -
Gothicfilm (
talk) 00:59, 28 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete. Drama is a mode of performance in acted works such as films or television programs or stage plays, not a genre of written fiction. And Goodreads is a
user-generated site where any user could invent a self-created genre, and claim works not elsewhere classified as being "of" that genre into it, so the existence of a "drama novels" list on Goodreads is not in and of itself a
reliable source for its usefulness as a genre classification.
Bearcat (
talk) 16:46, 28 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Globalization-related indices
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Nominator's rationale:merge per
WP:OVERLAPCAT, it largely overlaps with the target and it is hardly doable to draw a line here between "international" and "globalization-related", since none of these indices or rankings is exactly about globalization. No need to merge, all articles of this category are already in the target (or, if applicable, in a subcat or a parent of it).
Marcocapelle (
talk) 06:02, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete, per nom. Though I created this category, I accept
Marcocapelle's argument here. Upon close look, these really are all international rankings, not indices of the process or characteristic of
globalization, per se. Kind regards,
DA Sonnenfeld (
talk) 10:10, 28 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Outdoor sculptures in Kiev
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Nominator's rationale:merge/delete per
WP:SMALLCAT, so far only one outdoor sculpture article, not only in Kiev but one in all of Ukraine.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:52, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Merge for Now With no objection to recreating later if we get up to 5 or so articles.
RevelationDirect (
talk) 11:22, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment. SMALLCAT is for categories that have "no potential for growth" so I'm not sure that applies here. DexDor(talk) 20:02, 28 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete. The article is also in
Category:Monuments and memorials in Kiev, which is far more appropriate and all it needs to be in, as that's what it was. The other three suggested cats are completely unnecessary. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 15:35, 31 August 2016 (UTC)reply
(as nom) I'm not against a plain deletion by all means, the merge nomination was more like the most conservative proposal, considering the fact that the three targets are the parent categories of the nominated category.
Marcocapelle (
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Nominator's rationale: There has been only one actual Blade tv series.
JDDJS (
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Category:1990 International League season
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The result of the discussion was:Merge.
Timrollpickering (
talk) 19:26, 12 September 2016 (UTC)reply
I don't have any conceptual problem with this granular breakdown since it works fine
for the Major Leagues. But every single one of these categories contains just 1 article, such as
1990 International League season, so this approach muddles navigation. (2008 and 2009 also contain a few templates that are better grouped
here.) A double upmerge is not needed since all of the articles are already in
Category:International League seasons. No objection to recreating any of these if 5 or so articles ever materialize. -
RevelationDirect (
talk) 18:21, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment -- If this is kept at all, it needs "Baseball" as a disambiguator, as I cannot believe that no other sport has an international league.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 18:21, 28 August 2016 (UTC)reply
According to the
dab, there is no other sport with the name. The rest are all organizations of various types. While certain sports are "International" they don't name the leagues that way. The IL was only called that because there were teams in Canada at one time, and they'd used up a lot of other choices already.
MSJapan (
talk) 16:47, 2 September 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Fictional Detroit Police Department detectives
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I don't have any conceptual problem with these categories since they work fine
for New York City, but these categories only contain two articles total:
RoboCop and
Axel Foley. There is a sub-genre of
cop movies set in Detroit but few of the characters would be individually notable so the growth potential here is limited. No objection to recreating either category if 5 or so articles ever materialize. -
RevelationDirect (
talk) 18:19, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Upmerge 2 articles are not enough for even 1 category, let alone 2.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 03:39, 14 September 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:LGBT beaches
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Nominator's rationale: Single-item
WP:SMALLCAT with little prospect for expansion. While certainly there are some beaches in the world which are popular with LGBT beachgoers, there are few if any notable public beaches which are LGBT-oriented per se. But the latter is what it would take to make "LGBTness" appropriately
WP:DEFINING of a beach — the only beaches out there that would really satisfy that criterion are the private beaches of LGBT-oriented vacation resorts, but such a beach would be very unlikely to have the independent
notability necessary to get a standalone Wikipedia article at all. Public beaches are not defined by the fact that some of their users might be LGBT, however, which means there really aren't other beaches that could be added to expand this.
Bearcat (
talk) 16:56, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:LGBT terms
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Nominator's rationale: Per many other similar categories (e.g. those for books, films, music, etc.), consensus has clearly established that the category system needs to maintain a better distinction between "LGBT" for people and "LGBT-related" for inanimate objects and concepts that are related to the LGBT community but don't technically have their own innate sexual orientation. Further, as currently named this category could easily be misunderstood as including only sexual identity labels like "gay" or "lesbian" or "bisexual" or "transgender" themselves — but in reality it also contains related concepts, such as "beefcake magazine", "kiki", "outing", "poppers", "queer baiting" and "throw shade", which are not labels for people.
Bearcat (
talk) 16:18, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Lean Toward Eventual Deletion/Rename if Kept Really the titles of all Wikipedia articles are a "term" so I'd favor diffusing the contents of this category into the appropriate LGBT sub-category for what the term actually means and phasing out this category. (That's not to say that there might not be a viable category for LGBT and Language though with the often coded meaning, like
Pronoun game.) No objection to the proposed name if the category is kept.
RevelationDirect (
talk) 21:18, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Purge (e.g. articles like
Circuit party aren't about linguistics). Neutral on rename. DexDor(talk) 19:58, 28 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete these articles, or the subset I perused, are not about the linguistic origins of these terms, but the concepts they label ("closet" talks about hiding one's homosexuality; "outing" talks about disclosing homosexuality of someone in the closet), these are not like our articles on
fuck or
shit which talk about the term, derivation, usage, etc. not about sexual intercourse or feces.
Carlossuarez46 (
talk) 21:16, 29 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Selectively merge to
Category:LGBT, i.e. only merge articles and subcats that are not otherwise in the LGBT tree. After this merge, the category can be deleted, per previous comments.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 09:43, 2 September 2016 (UTC)reply
LGBT terminology I suggest renaming to LGBT terminology as part of my approved proposal
[here], which aims to changes all "terms" categories into "terminology".
CN1 (
talk) 21:06, 5 September 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Drama novels
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Nominator's rationale: This is a new category, with the explanation "Novels in the drama genre". The page
Drama (genre) redirects to a page about film & TV which starts, "Drama is the specific mode of fiction represented in performance." It does not make sense to me to apply this to novels. –
FayenaticLondon 09:47, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
keep' Drama means dramatic, these novels are dramatic and goodreads.com lists them as such.
Darunia02 (
talk) 12:35, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete – categories should be based on a defining characteristic intrinsic to the article. An external list such as goodreads is not at all suitable.
Oculi (
talk) 13:05, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete per the nominator and Oculi. When a category creator's Talk page has multiple warnings for genre changes at multiple articles, it's all the more reason to take a hard look at what he's doing. The new
Category:War action films and
Category:War thriller films, on the August 26 log, also created by Darunia02, should be deleted as well. Be aware Darunia02 blanked the CfD of all three earlier today. -
Gothicfilm (
talk) 00:59, 28 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete. Drama is a mode of performance in acted works such as films or television programs or stage plays, not a genre of written fiction. And Goodreads is a
user-generated site where any user could invent a self-created genre, and claim works not elsewhere classified as being "of" that genre into it, so the existence of a "drama novels" list on Goodreads is not in and of itself a
reliable source for its usefulness as a genre classification.
Bearcat (
talk) 16:46, 28 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Globalization-related indices
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Nominator's rationale:merge per
WP:OVERLAPCAT, it largely overlaps with the target and it is hardly doable to draw a line here between "international" and "globalization-related", since none of these indices or rankings is exactly about globalization. No need to merge, all articles of this category are already in the target (or, if applicable, in a subcat or a parent of it).
Marcocapelle (
talk) 06:02, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete, per nom. Though I created this category, I accept
Marcocapelle's argument here. Upon close look, these really are all international rankings, not indices of the process or characteristic of
globalization, per se. Kind regards,
DA Sonnenfeld (
talk) 10:10, 28 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Outdoor sculptures in Kiev
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Nominator's rationale:merge/delete per
WP:SMALLCAT, so far only one outdoor sculpture article, not only in Kiev but one in all of Ukraine.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:52, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Merge for Now With no objection to recreating later if we get up to 5 or so articles.
RevelationDirect (
talk) 11:22, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment. SMALLCAT is for categories that have "no potential for growth" so I'm not sure that applies here. DexDor(talk) 20:02, 28 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete. The article is also in
Category:Monuments and memorials in Kiev, which is far more appropriate and all it needs to be in, as that's what it was. The other three suggested cats are completely unnecessary. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 15:35, 31 August 2016 (UTC)reply
(as nom) I'm not against a plain deletion by all means, the merge nomination was more like the most conservative proposal, considering the fact that the three targets are the parent categories of the nominated category.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 18:52, 1 September 2016 (UTC)reply
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