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Nominator's rationale: Kind of a crazy category, but if we are to have it, I think it should be named in less "present-tense" way, since some of the cats are dead, others will die in the future, and some may remain alive but slim down and no longer be obese.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 23:42, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Pun We should get rid of fat cats because of narrow cats? :)
HidingT 10:20, 26 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete since they are already merged to the other category. kennethaw88 •
talk 06:41, 26 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Merge to
Category:Individual cats for articles of that sort, and to
Category:Cat health for any that are about cat obesity. There's no encyclopedic purpose to categorizing individuals (human or otherwise) by whether they're pudgy, scrawny, or in the middle. —
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Category:People from Marshall, Arkansas
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Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT. Small one-county community with just 3 entries.
...William, is the complaint department really on
the roof? 23:32, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Upmerge per nom, yes. —
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Category:Vintage Video Games
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Nominator's rationale: Defined as "video games from the 1970s and 1980s". This is adequately categorized by
Category:Video games by year and avoids the somewhat subjective terminology of "vintage".
Good Ol’factory(talk) 22:59, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete as pointless. Even though it technically has an inclusion criterion, people will ignore it, and it's both subjective and a moving target (most millennials probably consider games from 2005 to be "vintage" at this point). —
SMcCandlish ☺☏¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 18:41, 26 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete Redundant. Video games are already categorised by year. Also agree with use of "vintage" as subjective terminology. --
The1337gamer (
talk) 11:13, 29 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete The definition is arbitrary and just the creator's idea as "vintage".--ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 13:18, 29 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Integral art
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Nominator's rationale: Category really not useful at all. Not a proper art genre, certainly, and little in the way of sources identifying what "integral art" is supposed to be.
jps (
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Delete. This is a non-topic, a vague, general idea of art that might in some way connect to
Integral theory (Ken Wilber), which is what
Integral art redirects to, though the article is not about art. There is no "integral art" genre, movement, style, etc. —
SMcCandlish ☺☏¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 23:24, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete per both. This is really an "artists by opinion" category.
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Category:Knowledge user templates
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Nominator's rationale: Redundant with all the subcats of
Category:Userboxes that already categorize people by their professional and editorial interests and expertise. Has nothing in it but a template that is already categorized topically, and a malfunctional meta-template that has been taken to
TfD. —
SMcCandlish ☺☏¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 18:55, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom and as unnecessary as the template seems to be on its way to deletion too.
Carlossuarez46 (
talk) 19:04, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Related TfD notice: The (broken and unused) template this category was created for is up for TfD
here. —
SMcCandlish ☺☏¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 23:21, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Violence in media
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First, using the word media without a modifying adjective is useless for navigation and violates
WP:PRECISION, which is one of the reasons we use works (subcats of
category:Creative works) for these things.
However, in this case, as these are mostly just groupings of creative works that someone
deemed to be violent, these require references, which can't be done in categories as we all know.
This is also rather
WP:OC#SUBJECTIVE. If one character, once in an entire work, touches another in an aggressive manner, would that work now qualify for this category? As
conflict tends to be a part of
literature, I think these cats may become all-inclusive.
Listify, if wanted, I suppose. - jc37 14:29, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete as nominator, per
WP:OR, amongst other things. - jc37 14:29, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete pure subjective cat and original research; moreover, it casts too wide a net: violence in media includes coverage of various crimes, wars, disasters, terrorist attacks, as well as most media that some would classify as sci-fi (Star Wars, Aliens, Star Trek franchises all have violence), westerns (when a couple of cowboys meet at high noon, they are doing manicures), the bible and commentary on it (lots of slaying, smiting, etc.), crime shows (unless all they focus on is bouncing checks and non-violent crimes), news, many adventure (whats a Hobbit movie without some axe play? etc.), and on-and-on.
Carlossuarez46 (
talk) 19:10, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Different reactions for each of the three categories:
Oppose deleting
Category:Violence in media because there at least five articles in this category that are objectively about violence. I'm neutral about the word "media", so a rename to replace the word "media" in the category title could be an option. Also, the category may well be purged a bit.
Most of the subcats of
Category:Media issues seem to have similar issues. Maybe a group rename to
Category:About the portrayal of X in fiction. This whole set of "media X" trees probably needs a reOrg. For example, there's the mess of a conflation of fiction (medium of creative work) with news reportings (journalistic media), which should be sorted out. One of many reasons that the word
media needs adjective modification to meet
WP:PRECISION. - jc37 16:48, 26 August 2016 (UTC)reply
@
Jc37: pinging the nominator to continue this discussion.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:27, 1 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete these categories have the tendency of categorizing subjects by very minor aspects of the subject.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 15:37, 10 September 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Former Visigothic temples
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Nominator's rationale: Created by someone who doesn't understand that in English "temple" cannot mean "church". The Visigoths never built places of worship until converted to Christianity. Now empty.
Johnbod (
talk) 13:11, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. It's both empty and a misnomer. —
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Category:Book covers
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The result of the discussion was:Rename to
Category:Fair use images of book covers. @
Johnbod:This category, as currently worded, is explicitly for fair use images, and if you think there's enough reason to create a parent cateogry which can include free images, that's beyond the scope of this diuscussion.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu 04:09, 14 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Make clear what this category is for to avoid articles about book covers (
someexamples) being placed in it. The new category name should be consistent with other subcategories of
Category:Wikipedia promotional files. Note: After any rename the Book covers category should be recreated as a category for articles (under
Category:Books) and the 4 articles about book covers moved into it. DexDor(talk) 06:03, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
FYI, I did not notice your comment above re: articles in this category and at some point removed them as inappropriate for the current image-based category. Three of the four were bio articles of illustrators (
Alessandro Biffignandi and
Robert Bonfils (American illustrator), and
Bearcat removed
Emanuele Taglietti), which would not belong in a potential "Book covers" category either. The fourth is
Embroidered binding, which would be fine in such a category, but we should not be creating a category for one article.—
TAnthonyTalk 18:01, 9 September 2016 (UTC)reply
At the moment
Category:Bookbinding contains all sorts of article relevant to that topic. There are in fact a number of articles covering individual books with important "covers", such as
St Cuthbert Gospel (the oldest Western book cover). But "Book covers" may not be the best title for any new category.
Johnbod (
talk) 18:49, 9 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Rename to first option, per nom and Oculi. The few that have "Non-free images of foo" names can be speedily renamed to "Fair use images of foo" for consistency. —
SMcCandlish ☺☏¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 18:59, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Note: Just in case whoever implements the potential rename is unaware, {{Non-free book cover}} adds this category to images and should be updated to reflect this change; I imagine this will move almost all of the content to the new category.—
TAnthonyTalk 04:12, 1 September 2016 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale: Kind of a crazy category, but if we are to have it, I think it should be named in less "present-tense" way, since some of the cats are dead, others will die in the future, and some may remain alive but slim down and no longer be obese.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 23:42, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Pun We should get rid of fat cats because of narrow cats? :)
HidingT 10:20, 26 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete since they are already merged to the other category. kennethaw88 •
talk 06:41, 26 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Merge to
Category:Individual cats for articles of that sort, and to
Category:Cat health for any that are about cat obesity. There's no encyclopedic purpose to categorizing individuals (human or otherwise) by whether they're pudgy, scrawny, or in the middle. —
SMcCandlish ☺☏¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 12:16, 26 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:People from Marshall, Arkansas
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Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT. Small one-county community with just 3 entries.
...William, is the complaint department really on
the roof? 23:32, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Upmerge per nom, yes. —
SMcCandlish ☺☏¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 18:39, 26 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Vintage Video Games
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Nominator's rationale: Defined as "video games from the 1970s and 1980s". This is adequately categorized by
Category:Video games by year and avoids the somewhat subjective terminology of "vintage".
Good Ol’factory(talk) 22:59, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete as pointless. Even though it technically has an inclusion criterion, people will ignore it, and it's both subjective and a moving target (most millennials probably consider games from 2005 to be "vintage" at this point). —
SMcCandlish ☺☏¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 18:41, 26 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete Redundant. Video games are already categorised by year. Also agree with use of "vintage" as subjective terminology. --
The1337gamer (
talk) 11:13, 29 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete The definition is arbitrary and just the creator's idea as "vintage".--ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 13:18, 29 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Integral art
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Nominator's rationale: Category really not useful at all. Not a proper art genre, certainly, and little in the way of sources identifying what "integral art" is supposed to be.
jps (
talk) 20:52, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete. This is a non-topic, a vague, general idea of art that might in some way connect to
Integral theory (Ken Wilber), which is what
Integral art redirects to, though the article is not about art. There is no "integral art" genre, movement, style, etc. —
SMcCandlish ☺☏¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 23:24, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete per both. This is really an "artists by opinion" category.
Johnbod (
talk) 02:02, 28 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Knowledge user templates
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Nominator's rationale: Redundant with all the subcats of
Category:Userboxes that already categorize people by their professional and editorial interests and expertise. Has nothing in it but a template that is already categorized topically, and a malfunctional meta-template that has been taken to
TfD. —
SMcCandlish ☺☏¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 18:55, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom and as unnecessary as the template seems to be on its way to deletion too.
Carlossuarez46 (
talk) 19:04, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Related TfD notice: The (broken and unused) template this category was created for is up for TfD
here. —
SMcCandlish ☺☏¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 23:21, 27 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Violence in media
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First, using the word media without a modifying adjective is useless for navigation and violates
WP:PRECISION, which is one of the reasons we use works (subcats of
category:Creative works) for these things.
However, in this case, as these are mostly just groupings of creative works that someone
deemed to be violent, these require references, which can't be done in categories as we all know.
This is also rather
WP:OC#SUBJECTIVE. If one character, once in an entire work, touches another in an aggressive manner, would that work now qualify for this category? As
conflict tends to be a part of
literature, I think these cats may become all-inclusive.
Listify, if wanted, I suppose. - jc37 14:29, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete as nominator, per
WP:OR, amongst other things. - jc37 14:29, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete pure subjective cat and original research; moreover, it casts too wide a net: violence in media includes coverage of various crimes, wars, disasters, terrorist attacks, as well as most media that some would classify as sci-fi (Star Wars, Aliens, Star Trek franchises all have violence), westerns (when a couple of cowboys meet at high noon, they are doing manicures), the bible and commentary on it (lots of slaying, smiting, etc.), crime shows (unless all they focus on is bouncing checks and non-violent crimes), news, many adventure (whats a Hobbit movie without some axe play? etc.), and on-and-on.
Carlossuarez46 (
talk) 19:10, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Different reactions for each of the three categories:
Oppose deleting
Category:Violence in media because there at least five articles in this category that are objectively about violence. I'm neutral about the word "media", so a rename to replace the word "media" in the category title could be an option. Also, the category may well be purged a bit.
Most of the subcats of
Category:Media issues seem to have similar issues. Maybe a group rename to
Category:About the portrayal of X in fiction. This whole set of "media X" trees probably needs a reOrg. For example, there's the mess of a conflation of fiction (medium of creative work) with news reportings (journalistic media), which should be sorted out. One of many reasons that the word
media needs adjective modification to meet
WP:PRECISION. - jc37 16:48, 26 August 2016 (UTC)reply
@
Jc37: pinging the nominator to continue this discussion.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:27, 1 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete these categories have the tendency of categorizing subjects by very minor aspects of the subject.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 15:37, 10 September 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Former Visigothic temples
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Nominator's rationale: Created by someone who doesn't understand that in English "temple" cannot mean "church". The Visigoths never built places of worship until converted to Christianity. Now empty.
Johnbod (
talk) 13:11, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. It's both empty and a misnomer. —
SMcCandlish ☺☏¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 18:56, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Book covers
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The result of the discussion was:Rename to
Category:Fair use images of book covers. @
Johnbod:This category, as currently worded, is explicitly for fair use images, and if you think there's enough reason to create a parent cateogry which can include free images, that's beyond the scope of this diuscussion.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu 04:09, 14 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Make clear what this category is for to avoid articles about book covers (
someexamples) being placed in it. The new category name should be consistent with other subcategories of
Category:Wikipedia promotional files. Note: After any rename the Book covers category should be recreated as a category for articles (under
Category:Books) and the 4 articles about book covers moved into it. DexDor(talk) 06:03, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
FYI, I did not notice your comment above re: articles in this category and at some point removed them as inappropriate for the current image-based category. Three of the four were bio articles of illustrators (
Alessandro Biffignandi and
Robert Bonfils (American illustrator), and
Bearcat removed
Emanuele Taglietti), which would not belong in a potential "Book covers" category either. The fourth is
Embroidered binding, which would be fine in such a category, but we should not be creating a category for one article.—
TAnthonyTalk 18:01, 9 September 2016 (UTC)reply
At the moment
Category:Bookbinding contains all sorts of article relevant to that topic. There are in fact a number of articles covering individual books with important "covers", such as
St Cuthbert Gospel (the oldest Western book cover). But "Book covers" may not be the best title for any new category.
Johnbod (
talk) 18:49, 9 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Rename to first option, per nom and Oculi. The few that have "Non-free images of foo" names can be speedily renamed to "Fair use images of foo" for consistency. —
SMcCandlish ☺☏¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ᴥⱷʌ≼ 18:59, 25 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Note: Just in case whoever implements the potential rename is unaware, {{Non-free book cover}} adds this category to images and should be updated to reflect this change; I imagine this will move almost all of the content to the new category.—
TAnthonyTalk 04:12, 1 September 2016 (UTC)reply
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