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Viking Age people
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Nominator's rationale: rename per article
Norsemen and also because the current category name is slightly ambiguous (it might also include 10th-century Chinese people).
Marcocapelle (
talk) 22:53, 27 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose This is a somewhat contentious area, with the English meanings not exactly matching the ones in Scandinavian languages (or some of them). "Norse" is thus ambiguous - more so than
Norsemen accurately represents. It is best avoided in category names. What "10th-century Chinese people" have to do with it I can't imagine.
Johnbod (
talk) 14:57, 28 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Rename to Something. Either as nominated or remove "Age" and just using Viking. The "10th-century Chinese people" were in the age of the Vikings, but weren't Vikings themselves.
RevelationDirect (
talk) 19:27, 28 October 2015 (UTC)reply
It's probably not recommendable to rename to just Viking. As I understand it, the term
Vikings is rather used for a subset of
Norsemen (or Viking Age people), namely for those Norsemen who left their home country and traveled as warriors, traders or explorers. Thus
Category:Vikings is a child category of
Category:Viking Age people.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 07:23, 29 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Agree, nearly. In English Viking is effectively an ethnic term for Norse folk, in Scandinavian languages it is more a job, available for males only. See the relevant talk pages ad infinitum. Of course this is the English WP, but some Scandinavians seek to impose their meaning on English WP. Best left as it is.
Johnbod (
talk) 12:50, 31 October 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Johnbod: "Age" doesn't work because it includes anyone in the world during the "Viking Age." Is there a workable English term that doesn't conflict with other languages? (If not, since this is English Wikipedia, we should go with "Norse".)
RevelationDirect (
talk) 16:39, 31 October 2015 (UTC)reply
"Age" works fine - no one is likely to be confused. "Norse" is a slippery term which covers a wider period. There isn't a problem; don't let's fix it.
Johnbod (
talk) 16:58, 31 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose the "Viking Age" is rather vague but the offered alternative is worse, because it would exclude folks on the other side or narrators of the events, like
Alcuin, who was clearly in the Viking Age (writing woefully of the attack at Lindisfarne) but clearly not a Viking or even Anglo-Norse as he seems firmly entrenched in the Roman Catholic faith and the Carolingian court.
Carlossuarez46 (
talk) 00:04, 3 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose The rename would make this category overly narrow. The category could be properly expanded to include figures from the 8th to the 11th century that had an impact on the Vikings without being Norsemen, like military opponents, spouses and employers.
Dimadick (
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Category:Women legislators in ltaly
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Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:C2A recommend correcting
WP:TYPO in which "ltaly" (with a lowercase "L" as in Lima) should be "Italy" (with an uppercase "I" as in "India"). ➢
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Category:Films set in Sidney, Ohio
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Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT. Sidney is a small community. This category is not a good candidate for growth. Films set in Shelby County, Ohio is Sidney's parent category and only has one entry. It isn't a good candidate for growth either.
...William, is the complaint department really on
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Category:Gas turbine locomotives of France
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The result of the discussion was:merge with no prejudice against a future rename proposal.
Marcocapelle (
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Category:Things named after Taras Shevchenko
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Delete per nom, and ample precedent.
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Category:Unassessed-Class articles
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus. Renaming the contents piecemeal sounds like a constructive way ahead. –
FayenaticLondon 10:03, 31 December 2015 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: I think we should reverse
this March 2007 discussion. From what I can tell, unassessed articles all appear in the "Unassessed X articles" not the "Unassessed-Class X articles" (in the few places that have both). See for example
Category:Unassessed India articles (20 subcategory, > 450 pages) versus
Category:Unassessed-Class India articles. Unassessed-Class only appears if a project uses "by quality and importance" subcategories (see
Category:India articles by quality and importance) which I'll leave for a later time but the main issue is that most projects use Unassessed not Unassessed-Class.
Ricky81682 (
talk) 06:13, 27 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Doesn't the category get defined by the WikiProject banner? Therefore if it's in the "wrong" category, the change needs to be in the banner template.
WhatamIdoing (
talk) 16:53, 1 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose matches naming for other categories, for consistency. As this isn't a content category, rather a maintenance category, consistency with other maintenance/assessment categories should be maintained. This is not reader content. --
70.51.44.60 (
talk) 06:50, 3 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Suggest adding Wikipedia or WikiProject to preface all assessment categories, to clearly show it isn't reader content. --
70.51.44.60 (
talk) 06:51, 3 November 2015 (UTC)reply
I've suggested that before but it's considering too large to do at once. It could be done on a piece-by-piece basis. --
Ricky81682 (
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Category:Musical quartets
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 09:55, 6 December 2015 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Virtually random and only defining in vary narrow contexts which have subcategories (e.g.
Category:String quartets). It is virtually impossible to police through its criterion of being known specifically as quartets. If this passes, I suggest deleting all other such categories. —
Justin (koavf)❤
T☮
C☺
M☯ 06:01, 27 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose necessary part of the tree. Rather incoherent nom - I can't follow the reasoning here - why is it "random"? If this is done it will just clutter up the parent category.
Johnbod (
talk) 15:03, 28 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. The number of members that a band has is not generally a
WP:DEFINING characteristic of the band, in the sense that would be necessary to justify a category for it. A
string quartet, specifically, is an identifiable and definable and objective type of thing — but in most genres of music, there's no inherent difference in the type of music that a band is able to make that's in any way quantifiable as a factor of whether they're a trio, a quartet, a quintet or whatever. And the number of members a band has isn't even necessarily a fixed characteristic that can never vary — plenty of notable bands have bounced back and forth from threesome to foursome to fivesome or even moresome at different times in their history, and thus would need to be multiply categorized as both trios and quartets, or both quartets and quintets, or all of trios and quartets and quintets, and on and so forth. So this isn't a helpful or "necessary" or
WP:DEFINING point of categorization for most bands, and none of the rest of the "musical groups by number of members" categories are either. Except in the rare instance (like string quartets) where the number of members is part of the basic definition of what the band even does, bands should not be categorized by the number of members they have or had or used to have before the number changed.
Bearcat (
talk) 19:16, 1 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Purge out all the bands. Being a 4-piece band, should not qualify. In classical music, there are a lot of string quartets, because there is a lot of repertoire for them to play. I would suggest that we might have a new parent "classical chamber music groups". Some will perform quintets by bringing in an additional person for the occasion. Barber shop quartets are characterised by being unaccompanied and might be included.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 19:41, 1 November 2015 (UTC)reply
I support Peterkingiron's proposal.
Neutralitytalk 21:30, 1 November 2015 (UTC)reply
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Viking Age people
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Nominator's rationale: rename per article
Norsemen and also because the current category name is slightly ambiguous (it might also include 10th-century Chinese people).
Marcocapelle (
talk) 22:53, 27 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose This is a somewhat contentious area, with the English meanings not exactly matching the ones in Scandinavian languages (or some of them). "Norse" is thus ambiguous - more so than
Norsemen accurately represents. It is best avoided in category names. What "10th-century Chinese people" have to do with it I can't imagine.
Johnbod (
talk) 14:57, 28 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Rename to Something. Either as nominated or remove "Age" and just using Viking. The "10th-century Chinese people" were in the age of the Vikings, but weren't Vikings themselves.
RevelationDirect (
talk) 19:27, 28 October 2015 (UTC)reply
It's probably not recommendable to rename to just Viking. As I understand it, the term
Vikings is rather used for a subset of
Norsemen (or Viking Age people), namely for those Norsemen who left their home country and traveled as warriors, traders or explorers. Thus
Category:Vikings is a child category of
Category:Viking Age people.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 07:23, 29 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Agree, nearly. In English Viking is effectively an ethnic term for Norse folk, in Scandinavian languages it is more a job, available for males only. See the relevant talk pages ad infinitum. Of course this is the English WP, but some Scandinavians seek to impose their meaning on English WP. Best left as it is.
Johnbod (
talk) 12:50, 31 October 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Johnbod: "Age" doesn't work because it includes anyone in the world during the "Viking Age." Is there a workable English term that doesn't conflict with other languages? (If not, since this is English Wikipedia, we should go with "Norse".)
RevelationDirect (
talk) 16:39, 31 October 2015 (UTC)reply
"Age" works fine - no one is likely to be confused. "Norse" is a slippery term which covers a wider period. There isn't a problem; don't let's fix it.
Johnbod (
talk) 16:58, 31 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose the "Viking Age" is rather vague but the offered alternative is worse, because it would exclude folks on the other side or narrators of the events, like
Alcuin, who was clearly in the Viking Age (writing woefully of the attack at Lindisfarne) but clearly not a Viking or even Anglo-Norse as he seems firmly entrenched in the Roman Catholic faith and the Carolingian court.
Carlossuarez46 (
talk) 00:04, 3 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose The rename would make this category overly narrow. The category could be properly expanded to include figures from the 8th to the 11th century that had an impact on the Vikings without being Norsemen, like military opponents, spouses and employers.
Dimadick (
talk) 08:59, 8 November 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Women legislators in ltaly
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Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:C2A recommend correcting
WP:TYPO in which "ltaly" (with a lowercase "L" as in Lima) should be "Italy" (with an uppercase "I" as in "India"). ➢
Bgpaulus(
WORDS &
DEEDS) 22:46, 27 October 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Films set in Sidney, Ohio
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Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT. Sidney is a small community. This category is not a good candidate for growth. Films set in Shelby County, Ohio is Sidney's parent category and only has one entry. It isn't a good candidate for growth either.
...William, is the complaint department really on
the roof? 14:21, 27 October 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Gas turbine locomotives of France
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Marcocapelle (
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Category:Things named after Taras Shevchenko
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Delete per nom, and ample precedent.
Carlossuarez46 (
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Category:Unassessed-Class articles
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus. Renaming the contents piecemeal sounds like a constructive way ahead. –
FayenaticLondon 10:03, 31 December 2015 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: I think we should reverse
this March 2007 discussion. From what I can tell, unassessed articles all appear in the "Unassessed X articles" not the "Unassessed-Class X articles" (in the few places that have both). See for example
Category:Unassessed India articles (20 subcategory, > 450 pages) versus
Category:Unassessed-Class India articles. Unassessed-Class only appears if a project uses "by quality and importance" subcategories (see
Category:India articles by quality and importance) which I'll leave for a later time but the main issue is that most projects use Unassessed not Unassessed-Class.
Ricky81682 (
talk) 06:13, 27 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Doesn't the category get defined by the WikiProject banner? Therefore if it's in the "wrong" category, the change needs to be in the banner template.
WhatamIdoing (
talk) 16:53, 1 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose matches naming for other categories, for consistency. As this isn't a content category, rather a maintenance category, consistency with other maintenance/assessment categories should be maintained. This is not reader content. --
70.51.44.60 (
talk) 06:50, 3 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Suggest adding Wikipedia or WikiProject to preface all assessment categories, to clearly show it isn't reader content. --
70.51.44.60 (
talk) 06:51, 3 November 2015 (UTC)reply
I've suggested that before but it's considering too large to do at once. It could be done on a piece-by-piece basis. --
Ricky81682 (
talk) 08:50, 9 November 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Musical quartets
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 09:55, 6 December 2015 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Virtually random and only defining in vary narrow contexts which have subcategories (e.g.
Category:String quartets). It is virtually impossible to police through its criterion of being known specifically as quartets. If this passes, I suggest deleting all other such categories. —
Justin (koavf)❤
T☮
C☺
M☯ 06:01, 27 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose necessary part of the tree. Rather incoherent nom - I can't follow the reasoning here - why is it "random"? If this is done it will just clutter up the parent category.
Johnbod (
talk) 15:03, 28 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. The number of members that a band has is not generally a
WP:DEFINING characteristic of the band, in the sense that would be necessary to justify a category for it. A
string quartet, specifically, is an identifiable and definable and objective type of thing — but in most genres of music, there's no inherent difference in the type of music that a band is able to make that's in any way quantifiable as a factor of whether they're a trio, a quartet, a quintet or whatever. And the number of members a band has isn't even necessarily a fixed characteristic that can never vary — plenty of notable bands have bounced back and forth from threesome to foursome to fivesome or even moresome at different times in their history, and thus would need to be multiply categorized as both trios and quartets, or both quartets and quintets, or all of trios and quartets and quintets, and on and so forth. So this isn't a helpful or "necessary" or
WP:DEFINING point of categorization for most bands, and none of the rest of the "musical groups by number of members" categories are either. Except in the rare instance (like string quartets) where the number of members is part of the basic definition of what the band even does, bands should not be categorized by the number of members they have or had or used to have before the number changed.
Bearcat (
talk) 19:16, 1 November 2015 (UTC)reply
Purge out all the bands. Being a 4-piece band, should not qualify. In classical music, there are a lot of string quartets, because there is a lot of repertoire for them to play. I would suggest that we might have a new parent "classical chamber music groups". Some will perform quintets by bringing in an additional person for the occasion. Barber shop quartets are characterised by being unaccompanied and might be included.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 19:41, 1 November 2015 (UTC)reply
I support Peterkingiron's proposal.
Neutralitytalk 21:30, 1 November 2015 (UTC)reply
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