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Category:Current monarchies
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Nominator's rationale: We do not classify things by "Current". The main category (
Category:Monarchies) is assumed to be current. If there is a need for "Former Foo", as there is in this tree structure, then it contains all former entities leaving "Foo" to contain current entities.
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Category:Massacres
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Oppose. Most notable massacres took place in the contexts of battles, whether sieges and cities being taken by storm, or one-sided battles where the victorious party didn't give quarter. In such a context, "mass murder" is not at all helpful; it seems rather absurd to put the
Siege of Aleppo (1260) into a mass-murder category, for example, even though it's clearly in scope for a massacre category, and equally absurd to put the
Siege of Badajoz (1812), where the city was taken by storm, and the
Battle of Roncevaux Pass, where Charlemagne's rearguard was massacred by the Basques, with the
Puerto Hurraco massacre, where a couple of guys shot at a few other people in the street. The mass-murder category should be used for situations where there's a sort of judicial process and someone's convicted of murder (whether through one of our current processes, or a past process), or has something like a coroner's jury returning a verdict of "wilful murder", not just any situation where a bunch of people are killed.
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Oppose -- There is a clear distinction to be made between the aftermath of a battle or the sack of a city following a siege, and the current usage for "high school massacres" and the recent event in Tunisia, where a lone gunman has carried out a series of murders in a short period. Genocide is also mass murder, but not necessarily a massacre.
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Category:Ecuadorians with MA's and PhD degrees
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Delete Much more useful to categorize by academic specialty than degree level. Also it is unclear why holders of Masters of Science degrees should be excluded from a category of this type. I am also not sure if this is for those who have both an MA and a PhD, or for all Ecuadorians who have one or the other. If it is the former it is an odd category, since many people with PhDs in subjects such as history, which is the type of subject one would most likely have a PhD associated with, got an MA as an early step in their PhD program.
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Category:Players scouted by Lou Maguolo
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Delete as
WP:NONDEFINING. The people in question may be named and linked in Maguolo's bio article, but a category for them is not necessary — categories do not exist as a way to create lists on absolutely any criterion it would be possible to create a list of, but serve to group articles on characteristics that are central to their notability.
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Category:Legislation named for a person
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Delete This is a classic example of shared name. More so because we are mixing two things. Some legislation (such as the
Sherman Anti-Trust Act or the
Hyde Amendment come to mind fastest) is named for the legislative sponsor. However there are other cases where a law is named after someone who has died or been a victim of a crime where the law is meant to reduce the likelihood in the future. There is no clear reason to consider these disparate things as creating a unified thing.
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Category:Edward MacDowell Medal Winners
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The category was in the middle of an editing process, it has now been completed and should not be deleted. The MacDowell Colony was the first artst residence program created in the U.S. and the Edward MacDowell Medal is a major honor. The Colony is in the process of creating more of a Wikipedia presence and linking its recipients to its own pages; this is one of those pages. — Preceding
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Categories are not for "notable awards" articles are for notable awards. We do not have articles on non-notable awards. Categories are for defining awards, which is a much higher bar.
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08:17, 9 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment It was also created by an intern working at the Colony, so there is some conflict of interest (that can be resolved in a GLAM-Wiki type partnership or discussion I'm sure).
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22:46, 30 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Why is it a conflict of interest if it isn't promoting the colony, but simply creating a list of winners of a medal??? Also, how can an award with recipients such as georgia o'keeffe, edward hopper, and robert frost not constitute a "notable award"? — Preceding
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Re COI - if you are connected with the organization then it will be difficult for you to dispassionately assess how important it is to the award recipients. Re "how can" - your logic is faulty. DexDor(talk)16:56, 1 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete I have to point out that categories are not for notable awards. If we had categories for every award that is notable we would have a huge mess of categories, although we already have some articles in over 50 award categories. Categories are for defining awards. This is a much higher threshold than being notable. If an award is not notable, we should not have an article on it or a list of its winners. This award is not defining, and we do not need a winners category.
John Pack Lambert (
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05:38, 1 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment This IS a most notable award given by the nation's first artist residency program. The MacDowell Colony was established in 1907. We are a non-profit organization and have been giving the award annually to major contributors to the nation's culture since 1960. Precedent has been set on Wikipedia as far as pages listing major arts awards. This really is no different. For more information about us, please visit macdowellcolony.org. Jonathan Gourlay, communications manager (Unsigned comment by 23.30.175.65 at 14:15, 1 July 2015)
Keep The
Edward MacDowell Medal is indisputably a notable award, and every single one of its winners over 55 years is a highly notable artist. The New York Times has covered the award many times over the years and sent a well-known arts reporter to the ceremony when
Mary McCarthy won the award. A book length biography of McCarthy discusses the award at great length, and a recent biography of
Georgia O'Keeffe discusses it as well. Other newspapers such as the Boston Globe and the Los Angeles Times have covered the award. I believe that it is entirely appropriate to have a category for its award winners.
Cullen328Let's discuss it02:47, 5 July 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Radio stations in rural Tamaulipas
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Nominator's rationale: Follows from the deletion of the Tamaulipas Rural Radio template. All the stations in the template were transmitters of Radio Tamaulipas, and when the network article was consolidated into one, there was nothing left to go here.
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Delete. While radio stations are permitted to be further subcatted by city, if the city has a large enough number of radio stations to warrant a subcat, we do not have a practice of grouping the stragglers into a "rural (State)" grouping that covers a large geographic area — if the individual market doesn't warrant a category of its own, then the station just stays catted at the state level itself. So this was never actually appropriate in the first place — and with the individual transmitters having been consolidated into one article about the programming sourced, it's now just a
WP:SMALLCAT with no prospect of expansion.
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19:55, 30 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete Categorizing things are being in the rural part of a larger political entity is non-standard procedure. One reason is because there are multiple conflicting definitions of "rural", so it is not easy to categorize by such.
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Category:Media analysis websites
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I was thinking in terms of the template {{
Merge|Category:Media analysis websites|Category:Media analysis organizations|target=Category:Media analysis organizations and websites}}.
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Category:Current monarchies
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Nominator's rationale: We do not classify things by "Current". The main category (
Category:Monarchies) is assumed to be current. If there is a need for "Former Foo", as there is in this tree structure, then it contains all former entities leaving "Foo" to contain current entities.
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Category:Massacres
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Oppose. Most notable massacres took place in the contexts of battles, whether sieges and cities being taken by storm, or one-sided battles where the victorious party didn't give quarter. In such a context, "mass murder" is not at all helpful; it seems rather absurd to put the
Siege of Aleppo (1260) into a mass-murder category, for example, even though it's clearly in scope for a massacre category, and equally absurd to put the
Siege of Badajoz (1812), where the city was taken by storm, and the
Battle of Roncevaux Pass, where Charlemagne's rearguard was massacred by the Basques, with the
Puerto Hurraco massacre, where a couple of guys shot at a few other people in the street. The mass-murder category should be used for situations where there's a sort of judicial process and someone's convicted of murder (whether through one of our current processes, or a past process), or has something like a coroner's jury returning a verdict of "wilful murder", not just any situation where a bunch of people are killed.
Nyttend (
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22:57, 29 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose -- There is a clear distinction to be made between the aftermath of a battle or the sack of a city following a siege, and the current usage for "high school massacres" and the recent event in Tunisia, where a lone gunman has carried out a series of murders in a short period. Genocide is also mass murder, but not necessarily a massacre.
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Category:Ecuadorians with MA's and PhD degrees
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Delete Much more useful to categorize by academic specialty than degree level. Also it is unclear why holders of Masters of Science degrees should be excluded from a category of this type. I am also not sure if this is for those who have both an MA and a PhD, or for all Ecuadorians who have one or the other. If it is the former it is an odd category, since many people with PhDs in subjects such as history, which is the type of subject one would most likely have a PhD associated with, got an MA as an early step in their PhD program.
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Category:Players scouted by Lou Maguolo
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Delete as
WP:NONDEFINING. The people in question may be named and linked in Maguolo's bio article, but a category for them is not necessary — categories do not exist as a way to create lists on absolutely any criterion it would be possible to create a list of, but serve to group articles on characteristics that are central to their notability.
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Category:Legislation named for a person
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Delete This is a classic example of shared name. More so because we are mixing two things. Some legislation (such as the
Sherman Anti-Trust Act or the
Hyde Amendment come to mind fastest) is named for the legislative sponsor. However there are other cases where a law is named after someone who has died or been a victim of a crime where the law is meant to reduce the likelihood in the future. There is no clear reason to consider these disparate things as creating a unified thing.
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05:34, 1 July 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Edward MacDowell Medal Winners
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The category was in the middle of an editing process, it has now been completed and should not be deleted. The MacDowell Colony was the first artst residence program created in the U.S. and the Edward MacDowell Medal is a major honor. The Colony is in the process of creating more of a Wikipedia presence and linking its recipients to its own pages; this is one of those pages. — Preceding
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20:22, 30 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Categories are not for "notable awards" articles are for notable awards. We do not have articles on non-notable awards. Categories are for defining awards, which is a much higher bar.
John Pack Lambert (
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08:17, 9 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment It was also created by an intern working at the Colony, so there is some conflict of interest (that can be resolved in a GLAM-Wiki type partnership or discussion I'm sure).
Missvain (
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22:46, 30 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Why is it a conflict of interest if it isn't promoting the colony, but simply creating a list of winners of a medal??? Also, how can an award with recipients such as georgia o'keeffe, edward hopper, and robert frost not constitute a "notable award"? — Preceding
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00:13, 1 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Re COI - if you are connected with the organization then it will be difficult for you to dispassionately assess how important it is to the award recipients. Re "how can" - your logic is faulty. DexDor(talk)16:56, 1 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete I have to point out that categories are not for notable awards. If we had categories for every award that is notable we would have a huge mess of categories, although we already have some articles in over 50 award categories. Categories are for defining awards. This is a much higher threshold than being notable. If an award is not notable, we should not have an article on it or a list of its winners. This award is not defining, and we do not need a winners category.
John Pack Lambert (
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05:38, 1 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment This IS a most notable award given by the nation's first artist residency program. The MacDowell Colony was established in 1907. We are a non-profit organization and have been giving the award annually to major contributors to the nation's culture since 1960. Precedent has been set on Wikipedia as far as pages listing major arts awards. This really is no different. For more information about us, please visit macdowellcolony.org. Jonathan Gourlay, communications manager (Unsigned comment by 23.30.175.65 at 14:15, 1 July 2015)
Keep The
Edward MacDowell Medal is indisputably a notable award, and every single one of its winners over 55 years is a highly notable artist. The New York Times has covered the award many times over the years and sent a well-known arts reporter to the ceremony when
Mary McCarthy won the award. A book length biography of McCarthy discusses the award at great length, and a recent biography of
Georgia O'Keeffe discusses it as well. Other newspapers such as the Boston Globe and the Los Angeles Times have covered the award. I believe that it is entirely appropriate to have a category for its award winners.
Cullen328Let's discuss it02:47, 5 July 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Radio stations in rural Tamaulipas
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Nominator's rationale: Follows from the deletion of the Tamaulipas Rural Radio template. All the stations in the template were transmitters of Radio Tamaulipas, and when the network article was consolidated into one, there was nothing left to go here.
Raymie (
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02:37, 29 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete. While radio stations are permitted to be further subcatted by city, if the city has a large enough number of radio stations to warrant a subcat, we do not have a practice of grouping the stragglers into a "rural (State)" grouping that covers a large geographic area — if the individual market doesn't warrant a category of its own, then the station just stays catted at the state level itself. So this was never actually appropriate in the first place — and with the individual transmitters having been consolidated into one article about the programming sourced, it's now just a
WP:SMALLCAT with no prospect of expansion.
Bearcat (
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19:55, 30 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete Categorizing things are being in the rural part of a larger political entity is non-standard procedure. One reason is because there are multiple conflicting definitions of "rural", so it is not easy to categorize by such.
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05:40, 1 July 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Media analysis websites
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I was thinking in terms of the template {{
Merge|Category:Media analysis websites|Category:Media analysis organizations|target=Category:Media analysis organizations and websites}}.
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