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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Do we really need to start categorizing genres of albums by which decade they were released. There are so many genre categories and many albums cross multiple genres that going down this road will simply lead to overcategorization – not to mention the genre warring that already goes on in a lot of articles as it is. Such albums are already succinctly categorized by year and its genre (typically via its "albums by artist" category) per
WP:ALBUMS. I don't see a need to take this to another level. Thanks. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me23:47, 16 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete I agree. I saw it for the first time today and my anguished heart sank at the thought of all the work I'll have to do recategorising albums and then having arguments/silently seething as albums are wrongly categorized instead of creating beautiful lush laden informative prose which I never seem to have time to do because I exist to CROSS my T's and DOT my I's and file them away in a neat box.
Gareth E Kegg (
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15:41, 17 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep That sort of thing can be done using AWB. A decade category for jazz albums doesn't seem unreasonable. It's if we start doing years it'll get too much. We have films by genre by decade. I'm sure
User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao could easily add decade categories feeding off albums in jazz album and a certain year categories. For me a jazz buff, being able to browse through 1950s jazz albums etc would be most useful.♦
Dr. Blofeld17:03, 18 June 2015 (UTC)reply
It's not about a guideline but a precendent being set that should allow for albums by decade for every music genre because when someone sees it for one, they think it should apply to all. This just brings another element of potential genre warring not to mention overcategorization for albums that cross genres. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me15:46, 30 June 2015 (UTC)reply
I wouldn't really worry about that. If someone starts creating similar categories for a genre that is actually too small for subdividing by decade, these categories can be nominated here to become deleted.
Marcocapelle (
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07:52, 3 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete. An album is categorized by year of release and artist. The "albums by" category is further categorized by genre. Most artists have a decade and those that exceed that have templates to show what was issued when. That makes this category surplus to requirements. Then there's all the future "genre discussions" which fans have, but not musicians...generally... --
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10:41, 19 July 2015 (UTC)reply
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Atlanta historic properties
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It wouldn't be my most preferred option (it is that important who designates?) but I'd be okay for the sake of consensus. The current category name with "properties" is really confusing, let's get rid of that first.
Marcocapelle (
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16:46, 22 June 2015 (UTC)reply
It's really important who designates, because otherwise we have unclear inclusion criteria.
Neutralitytalk
Oppose -- The target may well be strictly correct, but will be much better expressed as a headnote further defining the category, rather than as the category name. My preference is to keep category names as short as possible.
Peterkingiron (
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17:29, 20 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Note to closer: (at this moment) there is clear consensus about the necessity to rename. Therefore please don't close as 'no consensus' even if there is no consensus about the exact target.
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21:15, 27 June 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Official historical monuments of France
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus. There seems to be a consensus among participants that a rename is a good idea, but there is no consensus here on what the name should be. The category was also not tagged with
Template:Cfr.
Good Ol’factory(talk)04:45, 26 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: I believe that when referring to listed heritage sites we should use the official naming as it's a formal listing.♦
Dr. Blofeld16:06, 16 June 2015 (UTC)reply
What I said before applies similarly to category names of departments, although that's not part of the nomination now. Having that in mind, the most practical solution is then to use the latter solution,
Category:Listed monuments in France and apply that to the departments too. Hopefully there will be other countries included as branches in the listed monuments tree.
Marcocapelle (
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12:25, 17 June 2015 (UTC)reply
The only objection I have to such terminology is that "listed monument" does not necessarily equal "Monument historique". It implies only that a monument has been listed on a register...what that register may be is not clear. I don't know much about historic preservation in France, but my concern is that if there are other historic registers (as I suppose there may well be), "listed monument" could be taken to suggest an entry on one of those. Using "monument historique" in a category name isn't perfect, I know, but to me it's the best option because it's the clearest.--
Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa.13:37, 17 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose This is an English encyclopedia, category names are in English. Beyond this, there is thecommon name rule. Lastly, category names that are descriptive are generally the best way to go.
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08:24, 21 June 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:4th-millennium BC establishments in Egypt
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Oppose. Egypt is separate because those places are within Ancient Egypt and keeping it separate allows for
Category:Establishments in Egypt by millennium to be complete rather than have it diffuse into Establishments in Africa when all the establishments are within Egypt anyways (perhaps "Ancient Egypt" should be treated as a separate former country from Egypt currently but that's enough discussion for another time). I don't know if there's likely to be other establishments within Africa for that time period but I'd think it's possible (most likely minor cities or something but something I suspect). Establishments by country should be kept because it's part of the overall structure to have an establishments by country subcategory within each millennium, century, decade and year establishment category. There's no need to break the entire structure just because it's underpopulated in one category. --
Ricky81682 (
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22:22, 18 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Note to closer: I have tagged the Africa category as a procedural nomination per the alternative proposal. Let the discussion run for at least another week. –
FayenaticLondon19:04, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
My understanding of
User:Peterkingiron's alternative nomination was as follows:
1000 years is such a long time, that I cannot see that millennium categories are useful to have. If the object is to parent centuries and we have a category for every century from 4000 BC to the present (and I doubt we will get much that precise so far back), we would only have 60 or so subcats. That is perfectly manageable.
Peterkingiron (
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17:10, 30 June 2015 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Do we really need to start categorizing genres of albums by which decade they were released. There are so many genre categories and many albums cross multiple genres that going down this road will simply lead to overcategorization – not to mention the genre warring that already goes on in a lot of articles as it is. Such albums are already succinctly categorized by year and its genre (typically via its "albums by artist" category) per
WP:ALBUMS. I don't see a need to take this to another level. Thanks. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me23:47, 16 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete I agree. I saw it for the first time today and my anguished heart sank at the thought of all the work I'll have to do recategorising albums and then having arguments/silently seething as albums are wrongly categorized instead of creating beautiful lush laden informative prose which I never seem to have time to do because I exist to CROSS my T's and DOT my I's and file them away in a neat box.
Gareth E Kegg (
talk)
15:41, 17 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep That sort of thing can be done using AWB. A decade category for jazz albums doesn't seem unreasonable. It's if we start doing years it'll get too much. We have films by genre by decade. I'm sure
User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao could easily add decade categories feeding off albums in jazz album and a certain year categories. For me a jazz buff, being able to browse through 1950s jazz albums etc would be most useful.♦
Dr. Blofeld17:03, 18 June 2015 (UTC)reply
It's not about a guideline but a precendent being set that should allow for albums by decade for every music genre because when someone sees it for one, they think it should apply to all. This just brings another element of potential genre warring not to mention overcategorization for albums that cross genres. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me15:46, 30 June 2015 (UTC)reply
I wouldn't really worry about that. If someone starts creating similar categories for a genre that is actually too small for subdividing by decade, these categories can be nominated here to become deleted.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
07:52, 3 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete. An album is categorized by year of release and artist. The "albums by" category is further categorized by genre. Most artists have a decade and those that exceed that have templates to show what was issued when. That makes this category surplus to requirements. Then there's all the future "genre discussions" which fans have, but not musicians...generally... --
Richhoncho (
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10:41, 19 July 2015 (UTC)reply
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Atlanta historic properties
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It wouldn't be my most preferred option (it is that important who designates?) but I'd be okay for the sake of consensus. The current category name with "properties" is really confusing, let's get rid of that first.
Marcocapelle (
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16:46, 22 June 2015 (UTC)reply
It's really important who designates, because otherwise we have unclear inclusion criteria.
Neutralitytalk
Oppose -- The target may well be strictly correct, but will be much better expressed as a headnote further defining the category, rather than as the category name. My preference is to keep category names as short as possible.
Peterkingiron (
talk)
17:29, 20 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Note to closer: (at this moment) there is clear consensus about the necessity to rename. Therefore please don't close as 'no consensus' even if there is no consensus about the exact target.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
21:15, 27 June 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Official historical monuments of France
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus. There seems to be a consensus among participants that a rename is a good idea, but there is no consensus here on what the name should be. The category was also not tagged with
Template:Cfr.
Good Ol’factory(talk)04:45, 26 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: I believe that when referring to listed heritage sites we should use the official naming as it's a formal listing.♦
Dr. Blofeld16:06, 16 June 2015 (UTC)reply
What I said before applies similarly to category names of departments, although that's not part of the nomination now. Having that in mind, the most practical solution is then to use the latter solution,
Category:Listed monuments in France and apply that to the departments too. Hopefully there will be other countries included as branches in the listed monuments tree.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
12:25, 17 June 2015 (UTC)reply
The only objection I have to such terminology is that "listed monument" does not necessarily equal "Monument historique". It implies only that a monument has been listed on a register...what that register may be is not clear. I don't know much about historic preservation in France, but my concern is that if there are other historic registers (as I suppose there may well be), "listed monument" could be taken to suggest an entry on one of those. Using "monument historique" in a category name isn't perfect, I know, but to me it's the best option because it's the clearest.--
Ser Amantio di NicolaoChe dicono a Signa?Lo dicono a Signa.13:37, 17 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose This is an English encyclopedia, category names are in English. Beyond this, there is thecommon name rule. Lastly, category names that are descriptive are generally the best way to go.
John Pack Lambert (
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08:24, 21 June 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:4th-millennium BC establishments in Egypt
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Oppose. Egypt is separate because those places are within Ancient Egypt and keeping it separate allows for
Category:Establishments in Egypt by millennium to be complete rather than have it diffuse into Establishments in Africa when all the establishments are within Egypt anyways (perhaps "Ancient Egypt" should be treated as a separate former country from Egypt currently but that's enough discussion for another time). I don't know if there's likely to be other establishments within Africa for that time period but I'd think it's possible (most likely minor cities or something but something I suspect). Establishments by country should be kept because it's part of the overall structure to have an establishments by country subcategory within each millennium, century, decade and year establishment category. There's no need to break the entire structure just because it's underpopulated in one category. --
Ricky81682 (
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22:22, 18 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Note to closer: I have tagged the Africa category as a procedural nomination per the alternative proposal. Let the discussion run for at least another week. –
FayenaticLondon19:04, 26 June 2015 (UTC)reply
My understanding of
User:Peterkingiron's alternative nomination was as follows:
1000 years is such a long time, that I cannot see that millennium categories are useful to have. If the object is to parent centuries and we have a category for every century from 4000 BC to the present (and I doubt we will get much that precise so far back), we would only have 60 or so subcats. That is perfectly manageable.
Peterkingiron (
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17:10, 30 June 2015 (UTC)reply
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