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Delete for reasons given:
WP:OC#VENUE. Sporting venues only deserve articles (and thus categories) if dedicated to a particualr sport. These are largely multi-purpose or borowed venues.
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Oppose. This also includes works originally published in magazines, and magazines are periodicals. Also, how can the parent category be nominated but not also the by-country subcategories?
Good Ol’factory(talk)05:46, 28 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose The vast majority of the articles included in this category and its subcategories have been published in magazines. There is a specific subcategory for the minority published in newspapers.
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Nominator's rationale:Delete without prejudice: Integrated schools are wonderful in Northern Ireland; however this category has contained but one name since it was created. Doesn't really serve any valid purpose.
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Nominator's rationale: delete it only contains its epynomous article (about a historical kingdom) and a child category (with modern cities in the region).
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Nominator's rationale: upmerge, a "civilization" category is not meaningful as a child category, it only makes sense at the very top of a tree.
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Merge Actual museum displays under the topic "Islamic civilization" have shown it covers at least anything produced by Muslims anywhere. It may also at times be used to cover activities of non-Muslims in societies that are labeled "Islamic". However that is always an extremely controversial claim.
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Merge per nom. The category includes only two articles and is redundant to its subcategory "Islamic culture". It also seems to be the only category in Category civilizations defined by religion alone.
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Oppose These are two separate categories with some overlap.
Category:Islamic philosophers are philosophers who specialize in Islamic philosophy, while
Category:Muslim philosophers are philosophers who are Muslim. A similar situation exists between
Category:Philosophers of Judaism and
Category:Jewish philosophers...the former is the subject of the philosophy is the religion while the latter is the religious identity of the philosopher. For example, one can be a Islamic philosopher and not be Muslim and one can be a Muslim philosopher who doesn't focus on Islam but studies logic or political philosophy.
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For clarity, the proposal does not suggest that
Category:Sunni views or
Category:Shia views would be redundant. If there are views only applicable to certain groups of Muslims or certain Muslim individuals, I'd be happy to keep or subcategorize that. But the category as is seems to contain articles that are applicable to Islam in general.
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Oppose The category as it stands includes articles on views of Muslims on anything from Alexander the Great and Jesus to slavery. Who or what defines "doctrine" here? A doctrine has to be a central belief of a group, religious or otherwise. I doubt these are defining doctrines of the entire religion and its diverse followers.
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You're right there are a few articles here, e.g. about slavery, that definitely do not belong in "belief and doctrine" but rather in
Category:Islam and society (in which category these few articles already are). So that would require a bit of purging. In general, however, I find it difficult to distinguish between "views" and "belief" if it comes to the more religious subjects.
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Support -- It also eliminates the POV question as to which are "main" and which are not. I assume that the rest will be NN kingdoms, so that they will not have articles to be categorised anyway.
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Nominator's rationale: rename (and merge one). Less ambiguous names and C2C to parent category. Some kingdoms weren't even in India, they were in Central Asia (the north-western ones) or China/Tibet (the northern ones).
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Comment This is a much needed task but we often see drive-by editors conflating history with mythology and changing categories and I think some of these categories started off as historical cats and have now been filled with mythological entries resulting in the need for a rename. I think
Category:Empires and kingdoms of India is in need of a better structure to avoid such problems in future. Also,
Category:Kingdoms south to the Vindhya ranges shouldn't be merged entirely to the southern cat, there's some that should be in the western cat, so a selective merge would be needed on that.—
SpacemanSpiff16:24, 18 July 2015 (UTC)reply
On looking through I'm not entirely sure if the merge should happen this way or if southern should be merged under south of Vindhyas. Nasikya would go to the west, but Konkana would fit under both West and South, Anupa wouldn't fit in either (the Vindhyas were a defining geographic marker for those texts and standard north-south differentiation doesn't apply directly). I'll try to pick up some reading over the next few days and comment, unless someone like @
Abecedare: can provide a better view immediately. —
SpacemanSpiff18:03, 18 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Completely support the renaming from "of ancient India" to "in the Mahabharata", since that is what the cats are being used for in any case, and the renaming will (somewhat) help avoid mixing of mythological/mytho-historical and true historical entities. The problem Spaceman mentions about the regional classification are true, and perhaps unavoidable. Is there a reason we even need to classify them as such, ie is simply upmerging them all to
Category:Kingdoms in the Mahabharata an option? I don't offhand know of a (reliable) reference classifying all the kingdoms, but will take a look.
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. Per
WP:STRONGNAT should use local variant of English. Belize uses British/Commonwealth English. Parent category is Organisations based in Belize. Standard practice is to used 'based in' as well
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Delete for reasons given:
WP:OC#VENUE. Sporting venues only deserve articles (and thus categories) if dedicated to a particualr sport. These are largely multi-purpose or borowed venues.
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Oppose. This also includes works originally published in magazines, and magazines are periodicals. Also, how can the parent category be nominated but not also the by-country subcategories?
Good Ol’factory(talk)05:46, 28 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose The vast majority of the articles included in this category and its subcategories have been published in magazines. There is a specific subcategory for the minority published in newspapers.
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Nominator's rationale:Delete without prejudice: Integrated schools are wonderful in Northern Ireland; however this category has contained but one name since it was created. Doesn't really serve any valid purpose.
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Nominator's rationale: delete it only contains its epynomous article (about a historical kingdom) and a child category (with modern cities in the region).
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Nominator's rationale: upmerge, a "civilization" category is not meaningful as a child category, it only makes sense at the very top of a tree.
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11:06, 18 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Merge Actual museum displays under the topic "Islamic civilization" have shown it covers at least anything produced by Muslims anywhere. It may also at times be used to cover activities of non-Muslims in societies that are labeled "Islamic". However that is always an extremely controversial claim.
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16:05, 13 August 2015 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom. The category includes only two articles and is redundant to its subcategory "Islamic culture". It also seems to be the only category in Category civilizations defined by religion alone.
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Oppose These are two separate categories with some overlap.
Category:Islamic philosophers are philosophers who specialize in Islamic philosophy, while
Category:Muslim philosophers are philosophers who are Muslim. A similar situation exists between
Category:Philosophers of Judaism and
Category:Jewish philosophers...the former is the subject of the philosophy is the religion while the latter is the religious identity of the philosopher. For example, one can be a Islamic philosopher and not be Muslim and one can be a Muslim philosopher who doesn't focus on Islam but studies logic or political philosophy.
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For clarity, the proposal does not suggest that
Category:Sunni views or
Category:Shia views would be redundant. If there are views only applicable to certain groups of Muslims or certain Muslim individuals, I'd be happy to keep or subcategorize that. But the category as is seems to contain articles that are applicable to Islam in general.
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Oppose The category as it stands includes articles on views of Muslims on anything from Alexander the Great and Jesus to slavery. Who or what defines "doctrine" here? A doctrine has to be a central belief of a group, religious or otherwise. I doubt these are defining doctrines of the entire religion and its diverse followers.
Dimadick (
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09:36, 29 August 2015 (UTC)reply
You're right there are a few articles here, e.g. about slavery, that definitely do not belong in "belief and doctrine" but rather in
Category:Islam and society (in which category these few articles already are). So that would require a bit of purging. In general, however, I find it difficult to distinguish between "views" and "belief" if it comes to the more religious subjects.
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Support -- It also eliminates the POV question as to which are "main" and which are not. I assume that the rest will be NN kingdoms, so that they will not have articles to be categorised anyway.
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Nominator's rationale: rename (and merge one). Less ambiguous names and C2C to parent category. Some kingdoms weren't even in India, they were in Central Asia (the north-western ones) or China/Tibet (the northern ones).
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08:21, 18 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment This is a much needed task but we often see drive-by editors conflating history with mythology and changing categories and I think some of these categories started off as historical cats and have now been filled with mythological entries resulting in the need for a rename. I think
Category:Empires and kingdoms of India is in need of a better structure to avoid such problems in future. Also,
Category:Kingdoms south to the Vindhya ranges shouldn't be merged entirely to the southern cat, there's some that should be in the western cat, so a selective merge would be needed on that.—
SpacemanSpiff16:24, 18 July 2015 (UTC)reply
On looking through I'm not entirely sure if the merge should happen this way or if southern should be merged under south of Vindhyas. Nasikya would go to the west, but Konkana would fit under both West and South, Anupa wouldn't fit in either (the Vindhyas were a defining geographic marker for those texts and standard north-south differentiation doesn't apply directly). I'll try to pick up some reading over the next few days and comment, unless someone like @
Abecedare: can provide a better view immediately. —
SpacemanSpiff18:03, 18 July 2015 (UTC)reply
Completely support the renaming from "of ancient India" to "in the Mahabharata", since that is what the cats are being used for in any case, and the renaming will (somewhat) help avoid mixing of mythological/mytho-historical and true historical entities. The problem Spaceman mentions about the regional classification are true, and perhaps unavoidable. Is there a reason we even need to classify them as such, ie is simply upmerging them all to
Category:Kingdoms in the Mahabharata an option? I don't offhand know of a (reliable) reference classifying all the kingdoms, but will take a look.
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. Per
WP:STRONGNAT should use local variant of English. Belize uses British/Commonwealth English. Parent category is Organisations based in Belize. Standard practice is to used 'based in' as well
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