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Support as current name choice is obtuse. @
DexDor: However, I think by using files you're also arguing for a change to "files" over "images" (as stated in the parent). This is a broader change I also agree with, but one that isn't really specified in the nomination.
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Category:Membership top icons
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The result of the discussion was:rename as nominated. This close is no bar to early re-nomination of this and siblings to have "user" prepended, as well as "templates" appended to the others. –
FayenaticLondon19:35, 9 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: As the notice at the top of the category text says "The pages listed in this category are meant to be top icon templates."
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Oppose as redundant. It is redundant that it is already a sub-cat of
Category:Top icon templates and in that the very nature of a {{Top icon}} is that it is a template. It would also break the consistent naming scheme of most of the other sub-cats in
Category:Top icon templates. Despite the fact that
WP:PRECISE is intended only for the naming of articles, it states Usually, titles should be precise enough to unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but no more precise than that. For instance,
Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta is too precise, as
Mother Teresa is precise enough to indicate exactly the same topic. I would think that the same logic would apply here and appending "templates" to the existing name is too precise. — {{U|
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Support All template categories should be marked as so. It took me quite a while to realise what a "top icon" was – this isn't an intuitive form of template type like "navigational boxes" or "footers" that are well known templates. Therefore the "template" phrase needs to be in the name for clarity.
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Category:Teahouse hosts
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Nominator's rationale: Duplicate, poorly named for a category that is part of wiki admin rather than part of the encyclopedia content.
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21:13, 8 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Strong rename this is not about real life teahouse hosts, who can be notable, since teahouses have been power establishments in the history of East Asia --
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Category:Mauritius Wikipedia administration
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Nominator's rationale: This category contains 2 subcats (Mauritius navigational boxes and Mauritius stubs) and does not appear to perform a useful navigational purpose. This category places articles/templates (not talk pages) under a wikiproject category which is not how such pages are normally categorized.
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Category:The Black Dahlia Murder (band) songs
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Category:Deaths from surgical complications
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The result of the discussion was:Delete, strongest argument is that few, if any, are notable for having died form surgical complications, in most cases it is a trivium. Guy (
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Nominator's rationale: The great majority of people in this category were not defined by this circumstance of their death. Almost all of them were at an age where the chance of death during surgery is raised due to ill health. It is relatively common to die during surgery in the developed world. None of the people I saw in this category represent cases where this is a defining characteristic of the persons life - it is merely incidental. I propose deleting outright this category of unrelated people. A more useful and distinguishing category would be one based upon deaths in surgery due to malpractice.
SFB18:19, 8 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Just as a note for clarity, I'm not looking to delete the plastic surgery child category as my rationale does not apply to that one.
SFB22:37, 8 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep Valid sub-category of
Category:Complications of surgical and medical care and
Category:Deaths by cause. Nom is certainy correct in saying age or disease play a role in deaths from surgical complications, that said the point remains these people all died during or shorty after surgery and in consequence of surgical complications. There is not OR, nothing subjective in that, and being "relatively common in the developed world" is not a rationale for deletion. Deleting this category would raise more problems than it solves, as re-categorizing people under an appropriate category in
Category:Deaths by cause would be problematic. Neutral about renaming and about creating a sub-cat based upon deaths due to malpractice.
Cavarrone08:31, 17 January 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Cavarrone: My main point is that this topic is not a defining feature of the people. None of them are remembered as cases of death during surgery (hence my point about death by malpractice, as that will likely be much more relevant in biographical terms. We shouldn't be categorising people by things that aren't definitive of them (e.g. "People born prematurely").
SFB20:12, 17 January 2015 (UTC)reply
I see your point, but yours is more a general point against the whole
Category:Deaths by cause than against this specific category. For the majority of biographies the circumstances of death are not a primary defining feature of the people, see cancer deaths, deaths from cardiovascular diseases, deaths from heart attack etc. If we adopt such point of view, the whole
Category:Deaths from disease and particularly very common causes of deaths such as
Category:Deaths from cancer should be discussed, but as long as we use to categorize all the people according the circumstances of their death, this category is still valid. Otherwise, we could decide to remove the most common/ordinary causes of deaths, but this is beyond the scope of this discussion. About death by malpractice, I see it as very problematic: possible POV in first place, eg I remember the death of
Enrico Simonetti during a surgery to remove a throat cancer was widely attribuited by the press to malpractice, but never recognized as malpractice by law. I have not followed the
Joan Rivers case, but apparently there is a controversity about her surgical complications too. Marking a death as a consequence of malpractice is a slippery slope, I would prefer to avoid that.
Cavarrone20:59, 17 January 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Cavarrone: Interesting points and ones that I'll take on board. I've come to realise I'm going to nominate all the other common causes of death as well. The death category tree is taking on a morbid tone which is not warranted.
SFB03:37, 18 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Cavarrone's "more problems" comment presupposes that every article about a dead person needs to be in a deaths-by-cause category. If we are to have a database of how (notable) people died then it should be in WikiData, not in the wp category scheme. There is far too much categorization on characteristics of someones death - it's not uncommon (
example) to find someone in 4 or more such categories (apart from year of death). Death should not be an exception to
WP:DNWAUC.
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I don't "presuppose" anything, that's how things have worked so far, people are regularly categorized according birth data and death data, among other things. The stated rationale applies equally to most if not all
these categories, but offers no reason to delete the deaths by surgical complications while keeping way more common death-types such as cancer deaths or deaths by heart attack. If you want remove the whole tree because there is too much categorization on type of deaths so be it, you are welcome, but you have to start from the roots, not to cut a random branch, ie, a wider and more centralized discussion is necessary to decide if and in which cases a death-type category is warranted. Otherwise it is like saying "let's delete
Category:1981 deaths, it is common to a lot of people and non-defining for their biographies" while keeping both
Category:1980 deaths and
Category:1982 deaths.
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Category:Disney's Big Hero 6 characters
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Nominator's rationale: The characters apply to both the Marvel Comics and Disney universes, and the articles use the Marvel names instead of the Disney ones. Best to keep the name generic since these are not Disney-exclusive. Ten Pound Hammer • (
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Category:Professional wrestlers from Monterrey
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Nominator's rationale: This subdivision by city and sport-specific occupation is not helpful to navigation. The parents (
Category:Sportspeople from Monterrey and the state level Nuevo León categories) are not well populated in the first place. This city level of geography does not help define the sport-specific occupation much further (as the people in the wider area will have entered and competed in the sport in a similar way to those in the city). Moreover, Monterrey is not very definitive of a person's taking part in a specific sport. Also note that
Category:Footballers from Monterrey is logically part of this nomination but is already nominated
here. Should that broader and more complex nomination not result in deletion of that category, I would like to add it to this nomination as the rationale is exactly the same.
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Category:Male professional wrestlers from Jalisco
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Nominator's rationale: Following on from
this discussion - the gender element does not have much relevance to or effect on the area element. Hence, this is not a definitive characteristic. I propose upmerging to the non-gendered regional category and the gendered national parent. Even worse, these categories are leaving the parents depopulated. Further to this logic, the "by state" container should be deleted.
SFB14:37, 8 January 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Johnpacklambert: But effectively the commonality of place is not affected by the gender (i.e. they will likely have been trained by and been involved with the same groups of local people - women's wrestling is typically done in non-single-sex organisations). I'm using a similar logic at
this nomination so you might want to comment there as well. It's quite an important one because introducing gender into sub-national location-based categories would be a new area with potential for tens of thousands of categories.
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Category:People from Towamencin Township, Pennsylvania
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Category:World War II images
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Nominator's rationale: These two categories contain just a single file (which is in other categories and probably doesn't need to be in en wp anyway).
DexDor (
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06:55, 8 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Support Sole image is a candidate to be moved to commons as well, so this doesn't appear to be a useful Wikipedia category.
SFB11:50, 8 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Strong keep images are not properly categorized, which is why these are empty. Rather, we should create categories for the various wars and populated them. For instance, we have
File:TrangBang.jpg which should be categorized as
Category:Vietnam War images, yet we are missing the category to categorize it. Or
File:George Nicholson Bradford VC.jpg which should be categorized as
Category:World War I images yet no category exists. We need to build this category tree. Certainly there are historic images of recent wars that are under fair-use that need recent war categories to categorize them. There are many WWI fair-use images on Wikipedia, which we are missing a category to categorize them into. The Vietnam War is not 75 years old yet, so most historic images would be under copyright. --
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Category:Windsor Suburban Roads
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Nominator's rationale: Per the spirit of
WP:C1, an empty category, since there are no current articles on this topic.
Windsor Suburban Roads were a type of county road until 1988 when they merged into the county system. But this category only contains a provincial highway article, a redirect to that same aricle, and a redirect to a city street. None of these are county roads, let alone former WSRs, but I didn't want to empty the category without consensus.
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Category:People from Venice (city)
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. The Italian city is the primary topic for the term 'Venice', its article is located at the undisambiguated name
Venice, as is its
primary category. This is the only subcategory in its hierarchy to be disambiguated, and
the target disambiguates between this category and
Category:People from Venice, Los Angeles, a neighbourhood of a much larger city. The primary category should serve the Italian city; a note leading readers to
Category:People from Venice, Los Angeles can be included to properly direct the minority of readers interested in that category. (Page views are 5:1 for the Italian category, despite this being the English Wikipedia.)
Mindmatrix02:03, 8 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Rename per nominator's sound analysis. The linked discussion above is moot: at the time of the previous discussion, there was a big confusion between categories about Italian provinces and categories about Italian cities, there were categories such as "Natives of Bergamo" which referred to the province excluding the relevant cities and categories such as "Natives of Treviso" referring to the cities excluding the relevant provinces. Now the categorization improved, the "province" categories are clearly marked ("People from the Province of..."), all the "(city)" specification were removed and this is the only survivor... there is no reason for making an exception. --
Cavarrone23:07, 14 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Rename. Should
Category:Venice be too ambiguous, it would need to be renamed, along with all the subcats, and this is beyond the scope of this discussion; otherwise, this category should be renamed to match the parent, since it isn't any more mbiguous than the parent.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu16:12, 15 January 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Damion Hall albums
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Keep per
WP:SMALLCAT – "unless such categories are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme, such as subdividing songs in Category:Songs by artist", or indeed subdividing albums in
Category:Albums by artist. We categorise by defining characteristics, and the artist is quite the most salient characteristic of an album.
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13:30, 8 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Good point. I think Smallcat is too generous here: I support keeping small categories with closed set like Provinces of China or Amendments to the US Constitution, but not with open ended category like albums or songs that are likely to be linked in the article anyway.
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Comment I find the accepted smallcat scheme for albums very helpful. Otherwise, this album and hundreds of others by artists with one album with an article would end up in categories such as
Category:Contemporary R&B albums by American artists, creating just a jumble of articles. The "by artist" scheme allows me to immediately identify artists of such albums (as Oculi points out, the most salient characteristic of an album), enabling me to better navigate to other possible topics of interest. Knowing the artist is much more helpful in that regard than the title. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me02:39, 14 January 2015 (UTC)reply
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Rename I agree with the nominator's rationale. A 'publishing company' is pretty much always referred to as a 'publisher', and the current articles within the category are open access publishers. It seems like an good, clear, discrete category to have.
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Support as many such publishing groups operate on a non-company model, so the broader term of "publishers" better fits what we are trying to group here.
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Support as current name choice is obtuse. @
DexDor: However, I think by using files you're also arguing for a change to "files" over "images" (as stated in the parent). This is a broader change I also agree with, but one that isn't really specified in the nomination.
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Category:Membership top icons
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The result of the discussion was:rename as nominated. This close is no bar to early re-nomination of this and siblings to have "user" prepended, as well as "templates" appended to the others. –
FayenaticLondon19:35, 9 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: As the notice at the top of the category text says "The pages listed in this category are meant to be top icon templates."
DexDor (
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21:23, 8 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose as redundant. It is redundant that it is already a sub-cat of
Category:Top icon templates and in that the very nature of a {{Top icon}} is that it is a template. It would also break the consistent naming scheme of most of the other sub-cats in
Category:Top icon templates. Despite the fact that
WP:PRECISE is intended only for the naming of articles, it states Usually, titles should be precise enough to unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but no more precise than that. For instance,
Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta is too precise, as
Mother Teresa is precise enough to indicate exactly the same topic. I would think that the same logic would apply here and appending "templates" to the existing name is too precise. — {{U|
Technical 13}} (
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Support All template categories should be marked as so. It took me quite a while to realise what a "top icon" was – this isn't an intuitive form of template type like "navigational boxes" or "footers" that are well known templates. Therefore the "template" phrase needs to be in the name for clarity.
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Nominator's rationale: Duplicate, poorly named for a category that is part of wiki admin rather than part of the encyclopedia content.
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21:13, 8 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Strong rename this is not about real life teahouse hosts, who can be notable, since teahouses have been power establishments in the history of East Asia --
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Nominator's rationale: This category contains 2 subcats (Mauritius navigational boxes and Mauritius stubs) and does not appear to perform a useful navigational purpose. This category places articles/templates (not talk pages) under a wikiproject category which is not how such pages are normally categorized.
Note: This category is one of 9 "<country> Wikipedia administration" categories, but there is no such category for the other 200+ countries (e.g. there is no "France Wikipedia administration" category). If this CFD results in delete then a separate CFD should be started for the other 8 categories (which have anomalies such as circular categorization in the Canada category).
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Category:Deaths from surgical complications
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The result of the discussion was:Delete, strongest argument is that few, if any, are notable for having died form surgical complications, in most cases it is a trivium. Guy (
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21:42, 26 February 2015 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: The great majority of people in this category were not defined by this circumstance of their death. Almost all of them were at an age where the chance of death during surgery is raised due to ill health. It is relatively common to die during surgery in the developed world. None of the people I saw in this category represent cases where this is a defining characteristic of the persons life - it is merely incidental. I propose deleting outright this category of unrelated people. A more useful and distinguishing category would be one based upon deaths in surgery due to malpractice.
SFB18:19, 8 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Just as a note for clarity, I'm not looking to delete the plastic surgery child category as my rationale does not apply to that one.
SFB22:37, 8 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep Valid sub-category of
Category:Complications of surgical and medical care and
Category:Deaths by cause. Nom is certainy correct in saying age or disease play a role in deaths from surgical complications, that said the point remains these people all died during or shorty after surgery and in consequence of surgical complications. There is not OR, nothing subjective in that, and being "relatively common in the developed world" is not a rationale for deletion. Deleting this category would raise more problems than it solves, as re-categorizing people under an appropriate category in
Category:Deaths by cause would be problematic. Neutral about renaming and about creating a sub-cat based upon deaths due to malpractice.
Cavarrone08:31, 17 January 2015 (UTC)reply
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Cavarrone: My main point is that this topic is not a defining feature of the people. None of them are remembered as cases of death during surgery (hence my point about death by malpractice, as that will likely be much more relevant in biographical terms. We shouldn't be categorising people by things that aren't definitive of them (e.g. "People born prematurely").
SFB20:12, 17 January 2015 (UTC)reply
I see your point, but yours is more a general point against the whole
Category:Deaths by cause than against this specific category. For the majority of biographies the circumstances of death are not a primary defining feature of the people, see cancer deaths, deaths from cardiovascular diseases, deaths from heart attack etc. If we adopt such point of view, the whole
Category:Deaths from disease and particularly very common causes of deaths such as
Category:Deaths from cancer should be discussed, but as long as we use to categorize all the people according the circumstances of their death, this category is still valid. Otherwise, we could decide to remove the most common/ordinary causes of deaths, but this is beyond the scope of this discussion. About death by malpractice, I see it as very problematic: possible POV in first place, eg I remember the death of
Enrico Simonetti during a surgery to remove a throat cancer was widely attribuited by the press to malpractice, but never recognized as malpractice by law. I have not followed the
Joan Rivers case, but apparently there is a controversity about her surgical complications too. Marking a death as a consequence of malpractice is a slippery slope, I would prefer to avoid that.
Cavarrone20:59, 17 January 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Cavarrone: Interesting points and ones that I'll take on board. I've come to realise I'm going to nominate all the other common causes of death as well. The death category tree is taking on a morbid tone which is not warranted.
SFB03:37, 18 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Cavarrone's "more problems" comment presupposes that every article about a dead person needs to be in a deaths-by-cause category. If we are to have a database of how (notable) people died then it should be in WikiData, not in the wp category scheme. There is far too much categorization on characteristics of someones death - it's not uncommon (
example) to find someone in 4 or more such categories (apart from year of death). Death should not be an exception to
WP:DNWAUC.
DexDor (
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08:46, 18 January 2015 (UTC)reply
I don't "presuppose" anything, that's how things have worked so far, people are regularly categorized according birth data and death data, among other things. The stated rationale applies equally to most if not all
these categories, but offers no reason to delete the deaths by surgical complications while keeping way more common death-types such as cancer deaths or deaths by heart attack. If you want remove the whole tree because there is too much categorization on type of deaths so be it, you are welcome, but you have to start from the roots, not to cut a random branch, ie, a wider and more centralized discussion is necessary to decide if and in which cases a death-type category is warranted. Otherwise it is like saying "let's delete
Category:1981 deaths, it is common to a lot of people and non-defining for their biographies" while keeping both
Category:1980 deaths and
Category:1982 deaths.
Cavarrone09:42, 18 January 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Disney's Big Hero 6 characters
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Nominator's rationale: The characters apply to both the Marvel Comics and Disney universes, and the articles use the Marvel names instead of the Disney ones. Best to keep the name generic since these are not Disney-exclusive. Ten Pound Hammer • (
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Category:Professional wrestlers from Monterrey
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Nominator's rationale: This subdivision by city and sport-specific occupation is not helpful to navigation. The parents (
Category:Sportspeople from Monterrey and the state level Nuevo León categories) are not well populated in the first place. This city level of geography does not help define the sport-specific occupation much further (as the people in the wider area will have entered and competed in the sport in a similar way to those in the city). Moreover, Monterrey is not very definitive of a person's taking part in a specific sport. Also note that
Category:Footballers from Monterrey is logically part of this nomination but is already nominated
here. Should that broader and more complex nomination not result in deletion of that category, I would like to add it to this nomination as the rationale is exactly the same.
SFB14:47, 8 January 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Male professional wrestlers from Jalisco
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Nominator's rationale: Following on from
this discussion - the gender element does not have much relevance to or effect on the area element. Hence, this is not a definitive characteristic. I propose upmerging to the non-gendered regional category and the gendered national parent. Even worse, these categories are leaving the parents depopulated. Further to this logic, the "by state" container should be deleted.
SFB14:37, 8 January 2015 (UTC)reply
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Johnpacklambert: But effectively the commonality of place is not affected by the gender (i.e. they will likely have been trained by and been involved with the same groups of local people - women's wrestling is typically done in non-single-sex organisations). I'm using a similar logic at
this nomination so you might want to comment there as well. It's quite an important one because introducing gender into sub-national location-based categories would be a new area with potential for tens of thousands of categories.
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Category:People from Towamencin Township, Pennsylvania
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Category:Ambystoma
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Category:Oral citations experiment
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Category:World War II images
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Nominator's rationale: These two categories contain just a single file (which is in other categories and probably doesn't need to be in en wp anyway).
DexDor (
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06:55, 8 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Support Sole image is a candidate to be moved to commons as well, so this doesn't appear to be a useful Wikipedia category.
SFB11:50, 8 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Strong keep images are not properly categorized, which is why these are empty. Rather, we should create categories for the various wars and populated them. For instance, we have
File:TrangBang.jpg which should be categorized as
Category:Vietnam War images, yet we are missing the category to categorize it. Or
File:George Nicholson Bradford VC.jpg which should be categorized as
Category:World War I images yet no category exists. We need to build this category tree. Certainly there are historic images of recent wars that are under fair-use that need recent war categories to categorize them. There are many WWI fair-use images on Wikipedia, which we are missing a category to categorize them into. The Vietnam War is not 75 years old yet, so most historic images would be under copyright. --
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Category:Windsor Suburban Roads
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Nominator's rationale: Per the spirit of
WP:C1, an empty category, since there are no current articles on this topic.
Windsor Suburban Roads were a type of county road until 1988 when they merged into the county system. But this category only contains a provincial highway article, a redirect to that same aricle, and a redirect to a city street. None of these are county roads, let alone former WSRs, but I didn't want to empty the category without consensus.
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Category:People from Venice (city)
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. The Italian city is the primary topic for the term 'Venice', its article is located at the undisambiguated name
Venice, as is its
primary category. This is the only subcategory in its hierarchy to be disambiguated, and
the target disambiguates between this category and
Category:People from Venice, Los Angeles, a neighbourhood of a much larger city. The primary category should serve the Italian city; a note leading readers to
Category:People from Venice, Los Angeles can be included to properly direct the minority of readers interested in that category. (Page views are 5:1 for the Italian category, despite this being the English Wikipedia.)
Mindmatrix02:03, 8 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Rename per nominator's sound analysis. The linked discussion above is moot: at the time of the previous discussion, there was a big confusion between categories about Italian provinces and categories about Italian cities, there were categories such as "Natives of Bergamo" which referred to the province excluding the relevant cities and categories such as "Natives of Treviso" referring to the cities excluding the relevant provinces. Now the categorization improved, the "province" categories are clearly marked ("People from the Province of..."), all the "(city)" specification were removed and this is the only survivor... there is no reason for making an exception. --
Cavarrone23:07, 14 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Rename. Should
Category:Venice be too ambiguous, it would need to be renamed, along with all the subcats, and this is beyond the scope of this discussion; otherwise, this category should be renamed to match the parent, since it isn't any more mbiguous than the parent.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu16:12, 15 January 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Damion Hall albums
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Keep per
WP:SMALLCAT – "unless such categories are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme, such as subdividing songs in Category:Songs by artist", or indeed subdividing albums in
Category:Albums by artist. We categorise by defining characteristics, and the artist is quite the most salient characteristic of an album.
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13:30, 8 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Good point. I think Smallcat is too generous here: I support keeping small categories with closed set like Provinces of China or Amendments to the US Constitution, but not with open ended category like albums or songs that are likely to be linked in the article anyway.
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11:13, 9 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment I find the accepted smallcat scheme for albums very helpful. Otherwise, this album and hundreds of others by artists with one album with an article would end up in categories such as
Category:Contemporary R&B albums by American artists, creating just a jumble of articles. The "by artist" scheme allows me to immediately identify artists of such albums (as Oculi points out, the most salient characteristic of an album), enabling me to better navigate to other possible topics of interest. Knowing the artist is much more helpful in that regard than the title. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me02:39, 14 January 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Open content publishing companies
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Rename I agree with the nominator's rationale. A 'publishing company' is pretty much always referred to as a 'publisher', and the current articles within the category are open access publishers. It seems like an good, clear, discrete category to have.
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09:27, 8 January 2015 (UTC)reply
Support as many such publishing groups operate on a non-company model, so the broader term of "publishers" better fits what we are trying to group here.
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