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The result of the discussion was:Split as proposed; if the people category ever becomes overflown, we can always split it further down--
Ymblanter (
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18:50, 6 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: split since quite a number of the articles in these categories are biographies. After keeping apart the biographies, too little content remains to justify a split between the two time periods.
Marcocapelle (
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07:26, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Question - Are there any other [[:Category:Medieval <region/country> people]] categories? I even looked and I'm not seeing a Romania (or Hungary) subcat of
Category:People by region for this to go into, even without the Medieval descriptor. - jc3708:25, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
A separate tree by region is not necessary because Romania has only three major historical regions (Moldavia, Wallachia and Transylvania) and Hungary doesn't have any historical regions of major importance. In Romania it seems difficult to build a consistent tree because locality and ethnicity are confounding:
Category:People from Moldavia and
Category:People from Wallachia are both in
Category:Romanian people as "locality equals ethnicity" categories, but
Category:People from Transylvania is not in there, instead
Category:Transylvanian Romanians is parented to
Category:Romanian people while it is not even parented to
Category:People from Transylvania! Nevertheless it should be relatively easy to build categories for medieval people of Hungary, Moldavia, Wallachia and Transylvania, if only because they had their own medieval rulers. Besides "medieval" is highly discriminating in these countries as Middle Ages ended with the occupation by the Ottoman Empire.
Marcocapelle (
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15:26, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Ok, I created
Category:People by region in Romania, and added all 3 as subcats. I think
Category:Transylvanian Romanians needs to be re-assessed as to how and where it is subcatted (as you said, ethnicity? locality?). As for the nom, because Transylvania has been part of different countries/kingdoms, I'm not sure the nommed plan is the way to go. I am loathe to start a "medieval people" tree of cats. And I am also not thrilled with "dumping" the two nommed cats into the medieval one. All of these things come together pointing out that this region is one of those "special cases". - jc3719:42, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Category:Medieval people - It looks like it already exists. Sigh. Ok, so after going over this, and also in relation to the several other cats nominated, I think medieval people (and maybe medieval events) should in general be split between early, high, and late middle ages. This will help navigation for readers (and spare them the headache I got in trying to sift through this all), and may help solve the problems of the Norwegian and Scotland cats too. Then have a medieval location cat as parent. So in this case, renaming to:
Category:Transylvanian people of the High Middle Ages, and
Category:Transylvanian people of the Late Middle Ages, respectively. And merge the non-people pages to
Category:Medieval Transylvania. Then we can take a look at a few group noms and/or just general cleanup for everything under
Category:Middle Ages. auuuuugggghhh - there, I'm better now : ) - jc3720:03, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Hey you're moving very fast now :-) I would consider if there is a vast amount of medieval people in a country that they should be split by century (as already happens a lot!) so there's no split needed in early high and late middle ages, while if the amount of medieval people in a country is pretty small (as e.g. in Transylvania) then I would just leave them at medieval without further diffusion in early high and late middle ages. In both these cases the distinction of early high and late is not too meaningful.
Marcocapelle (
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21:40, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Side note, Early Modern is a longer period than Late Medieval while it contains a lot more articles per century, so enforcing a Late Medieval distinction everywhere would lead to a pretty skewed distribution of category sizes. On another side note, content wise there is not an amazing difference between the political history of High and Late Middle Ages (there is a difference in social history but there aren't too many articles about medieval social history anyway).
Marcocapelle (
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21:46, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Support JPL -- By convention we categorise according to contemporary polities, not their modern successors. Romania was a 19th century invention, because both Wallachia and Moldovia chose the same king. Transylvania was added after WWI at the expense of Hungary. We should have categories for the three constituent part of the country.
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18:26, 31 December 2015 (UTC)reply
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20th-century & 21st-century rulers of Portugal
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The result of the discussion was:administrative close. This wasn't really the correct forum since it was a template that was nominated and not a category (and there was no corresponding category—it had been
previously deleted), but the template has been redirected, so that eliminates the duplication.
Good Ol’factory(talk)07:51, 5 February 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Ottoman collaborators with Nazi Germany
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Delete No one was collaborating with Nazi Germany while a subject of the Ottoman Empire. That some people who did the former had been the later does not make it a worthwhile overlap to categorize by. Considering Egypt was de facto seperate from the Ottoman Empire from the early 19th-century, most Egyptians collaborating with the Nazis would never have been de facto subjects of the Ottoman Empire.05:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding
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Strong delete -- When there were Nazis, there was no longer an Ottoman Empire, so that the whole concept is an anachronism. Turkey was an independent republic from c.1922. I forget the precise status of Egypt, but it was not Ottoman.
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Category:Causasian collaborators with Nazi Germany
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Category:Snake games
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Nominator's rationale: In accordance with CfD's need for extra clarity, I think the proposed title communicates that this category has nothing to do with actual snakes, and that it's only for video games.
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16:15, 29 December 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Atomik Harmonik
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Nominator's rationale: After dividing up the contents of this category into "Albums by artist" and "Songs by artist" subcategories, there is no need for the eponymous parent category per
WP:OCEPON. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me01:53, 29 December 2015 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was:Split as proposed; if the people category ever becomes overflown, we can always split it further down--
Ymblanter (
talk)
18:50, 6 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: split since quite a number of the articles in these categories are biographies. After keeping apart the biographies, too little content remains to justify a split between the two time periods.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
07:26, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Question - Are there any other [[:Category:Medieval <region/country> people]] categories? I even looked and I'm not seeing a Romania (or Hungary) subcat of
Category:People by region for this to go into, even without the Medieval descriptor. - jc3708:25, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
A separate tree by region is not necessary because Romania has only three major historical regions (Moldavia, Wallachia and Transylvania) and Hungary doesn't have any historical regions of major importance. In Romania it seems difficult to build a consistent tree because locality and ethnicity are confounding:
Category:People from Moldavia and
Category:People from Wallachia are both in
Category:Romanian people as "locality equals ethnicity" categories, but
Category:People from Transylvania is not in there, instead
Category:Transylvanian Romanians is parented to
Category:Romanian people while it is not even parented to
Category:People from Transylvania! Nevertheless it should be relatively easy to build categories for medieval people of Hungary, Moldavia, Wallachia and Transylvania, if only because they had their own medieval rulers. Besides "medieval" is highly discriminating in these countries as Middle Ages ended with the occupation by the Ottoman Empire.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
15:26, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Ok, I created
Category:People by region in Romania, and added all 3 as subcats. I think
Category:Transylvanian Romanians needs to be re-assessed as to how and where it is subcatted (as you said, ethnicity? locality?). As for the nom, because Transylvania has been part of different countries/kingdoms, I'm not sure the nommed plan is the way to go. I am loathe to start a "medieval people" tree of cats. And I am also not thrilled with "dumping" the two nommed cats into the medieval one. All of these things come together pointing out that this region is one of those "special cases". - jc3719:42, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Category:Medieval people - It looks like it already exists. Sigh. Ok, so after going over this, and also in relation to the several other cats nominated, I think medieval people (and maybe medieval events) should in general be split between early, high, and late middle ages. This will help navigation for readers (and spare them the headache I got in trying to sift through this all), and may help solve the problems of the Norwegian and Scotland cats too. Then have a medieval location cat as parent. So in this case, renaming to:
Category:Transylvanian people of the High Middle Ages, and
Category:Transylvanian people of the Late Middle Ages, respectively. And merge the non-people pages to
Category:Medieval Transylvania. Then we can take a look at a few group noms and/or just general cleanup for everything under
Category:Middle Ages. auuuuugggghhh - there, I'm better now : ) - jc3720:03, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Hey you're moving very fast now :-) I would consider if there is a vast amount of medieval people in a country that they should be split by century (as already happens a lot!) so there's no split needed in early high and late middle ages, while if the amount of medieval people in a country is pretty small (as e.g. in Transylvania) then I would just leave them at medieval without further diffusion in early high and late middle ages. In both these cases the distinction of early high and late is not too meaningful.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
21:40, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Side note, Early Modern is a longer period than Late Medieval while it contains a lot more articles per century, so enforcing a Late Medieval distinction everywhere would lead to a pretty skewed distribution of category sizes. On another side note, content wise there is not an amazing difference between the political history of High and Late Middle Ages (there is a difference in social history but there aren't too many articles about medieval social history anyway).
Marcocapelle (
talk)
21:46, 25 October 2015 (UTC)reply
Support JPL -- By convention we categorise according to contemporary polities, not their modern successors. Romania was a 19th century invention, because both Wallachia and Moldovia chose the same king. Transylvania was added after WWI at the expense of Hungary. We should have categories for the three constituent part of the country.
Peterkingiron (
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18:26, 31 December 2015 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was:administrative close. This wasn't really the correct forum since it was a template that was nominated and not a category (and there was no corresponding category—it had been
previously deleted), but the template has been redirected, so that eliminates the duplication.
Good Ol’factory(talk)07:51, 5 February 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Ottoman collaborators with Nazi Germany
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Delete No one was collaborating with Nazi Germany while a subject of the Ottoman Empire. That some people who did the former had been the later does not make it a worthwhile overlap to categorize by. Considering Egypt was de facto seperate from the Ottoman Empire from the early 19th-century, most Egyptians collaborating with the Nazis would never have been de facto subjects of the Ottoman Empire.05:42, 30 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding
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Johnpacklambert (
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Strong delete -- When there were Nazis, there was no longer an Ottoman Empire, so that the whole concept is an anachronism. Turkey was an independent republic from c.1922. I forget the precise status of Egypt, but it was not Ottoman.
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Category:Snake games
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Nominator's rationale: In accordance with CfD's need for extra clarity, I think the proposed title communicates that this category has nothing to do with actual snakes, and that it's only for video games.
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16:15, 29 December 2015 (UTC)reply
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WP:OCEPON. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me01:53, 29 December 2015 (UTC)reply
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