Category:German Jews who immigrated to the United States to escape Nazism
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Nominator's rationale: Category was speedily renamed against consensus. No longer matches normal English usage. No longer matches parent category or surrounding categories.
Hawkeye7 (
talk) 23:45, 4 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment. There was already a long discussion about whether you 'immigrate to' or 'emigrate to' in the speedy renaming section,
see here.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:30, 5 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Support alternative. Perhaps, slightly shorter, replace 'Jews who emigrated' by 'Jewish emigrants'.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 20:31, 5 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Support alternative The alternative is acceptable to me.
Hawkeye7 (
talk) 07:09, 7 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose against this upmerge, as this alternative would drop the Jewish ethnicity, while being Jewish was actually highly defining in this particular context.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 06:18, 13 April 2015 (UTC)reply
What about people who emigrated from Germany because of other things (such as being a Communist) or where the decision to emigrate (and especially to choose the US) may have been influenced by other things (e.g. job opportunities)? DexDor(talk) 21:24, 26 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment I would argue that from 1937 to 1945, those leaving what is now Austria should be in the German category.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 18:41, 11 April 2015 (UTC)reply
@
DexDor: What's your opinion about the alt rename by SFB? To me it seems that DNWAUC would not so much apply to this alternative.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 20:02, 30 April 2015 (UTC)reply
If not deleted/upmerged then rename as proposed by SFB. I still think that categorizing people by how they relocated in search of better life chances is DNWAUC (e.g. "People who moved from the Midwest to California during the Great Depression"). We should stick to categorizing people by (1) what they are notable for and (2) standard biographical characteristics. DexDor(talk) 21:01, 7 May 2015 (UTC)reply
Upmerge - I think it's too specific of a category that, as DexDor said, is telling a story rather than categorizing. While it's certainly of note for a biography, it's too much detail to include motives in a category. I don't think there are other categories like that ("Vietnamese Immigrants Who Moved to Australia to Escape the Vietnam War," "People Who Became Comedians because They Loved Richard Pryor," "People Who Moved to Florida Because There Is No Income Tax" etc). When a category has no parallel, it's probably because it's too specific.
—МандичкаYO 😜 23:49, 11 May 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Wikimandia: What about SFB's alternative? It only contains ethnicity (which is very defining in this case), but doesn't contain a motive.
Marcocapelle (
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Comment This is currently the only emigration + ethnicity category. We categorize emigrants by the nation they leave and the one they go to, not by ethnicity. Beyond this, it is technically a racial category. How would we treat someone who considered themselves to be ethnically German, but who fled Germany because the Nazis had decided they were racially Jewish. The Nazis defined Jewishness as a race, not an ethnicity. The difference is at times hard to tell, but there is one. Lastly, all these people will be in multiple other Jewish categories, such as one for American Jews and one for German Jews as well as possibly others, if they defined themselves as Jewish.
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Category:Housing problems
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 13:10, 19 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Only one article. Not a very helpful category. Who decides what constitutes a problem?.
Rathfelder (
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Happy with that idea. the article -
Foreclosure rescue scheme is actually about mortgages and consumer fraud, not housing.
Delete as not useful at this time. If we see an expansion of topics such as
housing shortage,
rent inflation etc then this could be recreated, but the underlying content seems very far from requiring such stand-alone articles at the moment.
SFB 12:45, 5 April 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Mythology-related lists
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Nominator's rationale: The idea is then to please move the result to a unified content as:
Category:Religion and mythology related lists. The aim is to bring some order and consistency in the topic. The main cat, recently created, is
Category:Religion and mythology which is rightly presented as saying that religion and mythology have different but overlapping aspects. At present Wikipedia either has
WP:SYSTEMICBIAS or an unnecessary anomaly as it tends to class modern day faiths as religions and past time faiths as myths. In essence the two spheres diffuse with each other and I don't think that it is down to Wikipedia to decide which goes where. We should just present content and let the reader decide. There will be several other moves to make of this type
GregKaye 17:00, 4 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Marcocapelle The overlap between religion and mythology, as the fields are defined, is profound even from the starting point of "creation stories" commonly being described as
Creation myths. If description is to be made of religious topics as mythological then the same should apply to all. We even, very notably within Wikipedia circles, make presentations such as
Mercury (mythology). This is just one example of a religious figure that has been presented purely in terms of mythology for years and yet no objections have been raised on behalf of an ancient divinity.
A search on
"Roman religion and mythology" OR "Roman mythology and religion" shows that these subject are commonly and sensibly considered in concert. I personally think think that terms like mythology should be words to watch but, if they are to be applied, this should happen evenly. "Religion and Politics" are regularly two different things and the comparison does not work. Religion and mythology are considered to be profoundly intermeshed.
GregKaye 07:38, 5 April 2015 (UTC)reply
I don't have a problem with the intersection between mythology and religion and I am perfectly okay to categorize
Creation myths in a category like that. I do have a problem with upside down categorization though, as there's so many more aspects to religion than mythology and ultimately I'd expect maybe 1% of the religion articles to fall in the intersection with mythology. It's like you propose to merge United Kingdom and United States based on their common language.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 11:07, 5 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Strong Oppose - next we'll be adding
legend,
fairy tale, and
folk tale. No. Overlapping topics exist all over Wikipedia. That doesn't mean we should combine them into a single category. - jc37 18:23, 5 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Strong Oppose. Myth and religion overlap but are not the same. I really wish GregKaye would stop creating discussions about this on so many different pages; he is not understanding other editors' objections to his arguments, and it is difficult to keep track of all the changes he's trying to make.
--Akhilleus (
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Strong Oppose. Mythology is not a subset of religion.
Paul August☎ 21:33, 9 April 2015 (UTC)reply
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Medieval physicians
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus. –
FayenaticLondon 06:57, 27 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: upmerge per
WP:SMALLCAT, all these categories contain only 1, 2 of 3 articles. No need to upmerge to
Category:Medieval physicians because I've made sure that all of them are in an Xth-century physicians category already.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 16:18, 4 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose This will get us into directly categorizing people of Medieval times under categories meant for the nationals of modern nations. This will muddy our categorization. This will miscategorize many. Some miscategorization happens when categories are linked mother to daughter, but this direct linking is not a wise idea.
John Pack Lambert (
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Can you explain your objection? I don't see the difference between - say -
Category:Medieval Czech physicians and
Category:Czech physicians in this respect, because it's both in the same tree and it's both referring to a country that didn't exist yet. 21:13, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
@
Piotrus: That may be the case, but there's no way to tell that these will ever be on English Wikipedia (unless you commit to taking care of it).
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Category:Health disparities
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Nominator's rationale: Small category with few articles. Disparities can happily be included in determinants. Now a commoner approach to these topics. Disparities rather implies that these things arise at random and nothing can be done about them. Determinants implies causation.
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Category:History of the Czech Republic
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Essentially the rename is proposed because of the ambiguity of the catchphrase History of the Czech Republic, it may mean the entire history, it may also mean only the very recent history.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 12:58, 4 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Procedural remark. Personally I'm neutral towards the alternative or renaming a lot of other subcats because in the end it would serve the same purpose (avoiding ambiguity). But the alternative does require a separate nomination because it concerns different categories than nominated here. @
Brandmeister: Are you willing to take the lead in that? If it turns out that the alternative gets consensus I will withdraw this nomination.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:38, 5 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose "Czech Republic" most clearly refers to the
Czech Republic. This isn't a useful change and only confuses readers with the tantalising prospect of some "pre-1993 Czech Republic" which, as far as I can see, did not exist.
SFB 12:52, 5 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep -- It is sufficient for the date to appear in the head note. I beleive that before 1993, there were three polities within Czechosovakia: Bohemia, Moravia, and Slovakia, of which the first two became the Czech Republic. Accordingly, we should not get a category for "Czech Republic (xx--1993)".
Peterkingiron (
talk) 15:43, 5 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep and restructure to have this as the parent and "History of the Czech lands" as the pre-Republic sub-cat. –
FayenaticLondon 16:26, 6 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment If I understood correctly,
Brandmeister has in mind to have "History of the Czech lands" as the parent and to keep "History of the Czech Republic" as the 1993+ history, while
Fayenatic has in mind to have "History of the Czech Republic" as the parent and to turn "History of the Czech lands" into a -1993 history. I have a (weak) preference for Brandmeister's thought as it seems to me that the Czech Republic only exists since 1993, while Czechoslovakia (1918-1993) and Bohemia (before 1918) were different countries. Anyway it seems that Brandmeister and Fayenatic london should also directly comment on each other's thoughts.
Marcocapelle (
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It's a trade-off between general standardization and being unambiguous in this particular case. There is definitely a need for more clarity in this tree which you can most clearly see in the history by topic. Some topics deal with the whole history of the Czech lands from prehistory to present (like
Category:Disasters in the Czech Republic), other topics deal with the Czech Republic history since 1993 (like
Category:Military history of the Czech Republic). Regardless of which category should be at the head of tree, I would plea for having categories with (1993–) in the name just to avoid that kind of confusion.
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Category:Moravian noble families
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The result of the discussion was:rename.
MER-C 12:27, 15 April 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Czech Austro-Hungarians
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The result of the discussion was:delete. –
FayenaticLondon 15:57, 12 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete I can't find anything that suggests people ever identified as
Czech Austro-Hungarian. The Czech and Austro-Hungarian trees do the job well enough separately. For me this construction makes as much sense as someone being classified as
Scottish British.
SFB 12:56, 5 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Recategorise all then delete -- Linguistically, the Czechs, the Austrians, and the Hungarians were separate peoples. "People of the Austro-Hungarian Empire" might make a useful container-only category, but people should be categoised according to actual ethnicity or nationality. Bohemia, Moravia, Hungary, Austria, etc were all constituent parts of an empire with a single ruler, but different titles for his rulership of his vartious realms.
Peterkingiron (
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Delete useless imposition of later ethnogroupings using later-devised naming on people we cannot prove what ethnicity they thought they were much less what they really were (possibility of illegitimate births negating anything but a pure female ancestry to prove any point being asserted).
Carlossuarez46 (
talk) 18:37, 10 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose We categorize people by the realm they were nationals of (in this case
Austria-Hungary) plus their ethnicity. That is what this category is doing, it is a standard and acceptable way to categorize people. If we categorized primarily on linguistic issues than
Category:Indian people would not categorize people but only [[:Category:Gujarati people}] etc. So I think Peterkingirons argument does not stand up to scrutiny of how we actually categorize people.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 18:47, 11 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment While in earlier times the unity of the domains in question was not clear, in the 19th-century the Austrian Empire was clearly a unified political area.
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Category:Number-one singles in Iceland
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 12:26, 15 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Delete. Articles related to charting in Iceland have been deleted (e.g.
Tonlist,
List of number-one singles (Iceland)) and there's no mention of the chart or its significance in any other articles (outside of chart performance sections), so the accomplishment of reaching number one in Iceland could hardly be called defining to such songs. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 00:14, 4 April 2015 (UTC)}}reply
Delete per nom; if the chart isn't notable, then being a #1 on it isn't worth noting. Ten Pound Hammer • (
What did I screw up now?) 03:24, 5 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Just for the record, the problem with Tonlist wasn't that charting in Iceland is inherently less notable in principle than charting in any other country — it's that Tonlist is a single-vendor chart (and thus not necessarily representative of what's selling at other music retailers, or of factors like radio airplay) rather than a true
IFPI-certified national chart. Not being familiar with Iceland, I don't know if there's another more appropriate chart that this category could be repurposed to cover — if there is, then this would be allowed to exist. Delete per nom, without prejudice against recreation in the future if there's a proper Icelandic pop chart that can be used in Tonlist's place.
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Category:German Jews who immigrated to the United States to escape Nazism
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Nominator's rationale: Category was speedily renamed against consensus. No longer matches normal English usage. No longer matches parent category or surrounding categories.
Hawkeye7 (
talk) 23:45, 4 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment. There was already a long discussion about whether you 'immigrate to' or 'emigrate to' in the speedy renaming section,
see here.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:30, 5 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Support alternative. Perhaps, slightly shorter, replace 'Jews who emigrated' by 'Jewish emigrants'.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 20:31, 5 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Support alternative The alternative is acceptable to me.
Hawkeye7 (
talk) 07:09, 7 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose against this upmerge, as this alternative would drop the Jewish ethnicity, while being Jewish was actually highly defining in this particular context.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 06:18, 13 April 2015 (UTC)reply
What about people who emigrated from Germany because of other things (such as being a Communist) or where the decision to emigrate (and especially to choose the US) may have been influenced by other things (e.g. job opportunities)? DexDor(talk) 21:24, 26 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment I would argue that from 1937 to 1945, those leaving what is now Austria should be in the German category.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 18:41, 11 April 2015 (UTC)reply
@
DexDor: What's your opinion about the alt rename by SFB? To me it seems that DNWAUC would not so much apply to this alternative.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 20:02, 30 April 2015 (UTC)reply
If not deleted/upmerged then rename as proposed by SFB. I still think that categorizing people by how they relocated in search of better life chances is DNWAUC (e.g. "People who moved from the Midwest to California during the Great Depression"). We should stick to categorizing people by (1) what they are notable for and (2) standard biographical characteristics. DexDor(talk) 21:01, 7 May 2015 (UTC)reply
Upmerge - I think it's too specific of a category that, as DexDor said, is telling a story rather than categorizing. While it's certainly of note for a biography, it's too much detail to include motives in a category. I don't think there are other categories like that ("Vietnamese Immigrants Who Moved to Australia to Escape the Vietnam War," "People Who Became Comedians because They Loved Richard Pryor," "People Who Moved to Florida Because There Is No Income Tax" etc). When a category has no parallel, it's probably because it's too specific.
—МандичкаYO 😜 23:49, 11 May 2015 (UTC)reply
@
Wikimandia: What about SFB's alternative? It only contains ethnicity (which is very defining in this case), but doesn't contain a motive.
Marcocapelle (
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Comment This is currently the only emigration + ethnicity category. We categorize emigrants by the nation they leave and the one they go to, not by ethnicity. Beyond this, it is technically a racial category. How would we treat someone who considered themselves to be ethnically German, but who fled Germany because the Nazis had decided they were racially Jewish. The Nazis defined Jewishness as a race, not an ethnicity. The difference is at times hard to tell, but there is one. Lastly, all these people will be in multiple other Jewish categories, such as one for American Jews and one for German Jews as well as possibly others, if they defined themselves as Jewish.
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Category:Housing problems
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 13:10, 19 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Only one article. Not a very helpful category. Who decides what constitutes a problem?.
Rathfelder (
talk) 20:56, 4 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Happy with that idea. the article -
Foreclosure rescue scheme is actually about mortgages and consumer fraud, not housing.
Delete as not useful at this time. If we see an expansion of topics such as
housing shortage,
rent inflation etc then this could be recreated, but the underlying content seems very far from requiring such stand-alone articles at the moment.
SFB 12:45, 5 April 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Mythology-related lists
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Nominator's rationale: The idea is then to please move the result to a unified content as:
Category:Religion and mythology related lists. The aim is to bring some order and consistency in the topic. The main cat, recently created, is
Category:Religion and mythology which is rightly presented as saying that religion and mythology have different but overlapping aspects. At present Wikipedia either has
WP:SYSTEMICBIAS or an unnecessary anomaly as it tends to class modern day faiths as religions and past time faiths as myths. In essence the two spheres diffuse with each other and I don't think that it is down to Wikipedia to decide which goes where. We should just present content and let the reader decide. There will be several other moves to make of this type
GregKaye 17:00, 4 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Marcocapelle The overlap between religion and mythology, as the fields are defined, is profound even from the starting point of "creation stories" commonly being described as
Creation myths. If description is to be made of religious topics as mythological then the same should apply to all. We even, very notably within Wikipedia circles, make presentations such as
Mercury (mythology). This is just one example of a religious figure that has been presented purely in terms of mythology for years and yet no objections have been raised on behalf of an ancient divinity.
A search on
"Roman religion and mythology" OR "Roman mythology and religion" shows that these subject are commonly and sensibly considered in concert. I personally think think that terms like mythology should be words to watch but, if they are to be applied, this should happen evenly. "Religion and Politics" are regularly two different things and the comparison does not work. Religion and mythology are considered to be profoundly intermeshed.
GregKaye 07:38, 5 April 2015 (UTC)reply
I don't have a problem with the intersection between mythology and religion and I am perfectly okay to categorize
Creation myths in a category like that. I do have a problem with upside down categorization though, as there's so many more aspects to religion than mythology and ultimately I'd expect maybe 1% of the religion articles to fall in the intersection with mythology. It's like you propose to merge United Kingdom and United States based on their common language.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 11:07, 5 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Strong Oppose - next we'll be adding
legend,
fairy tale, and
folk tale. No. Overlapping topics exist all over Wikipedia. That doesn't mean we should combine them into a single category. - jc37 18:23, 5 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Strong Oppose. Myth and religion overlap but are not the same. I really wish GregKaye would stop creating discussions about this on so many different pages; he is not understanding other editors' objections to his arguments, and it is difficult to keep track of all the changes he's trying to make.
--Akhilleus (
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Strong Oppose. Mythology is not a subset of religion.
Paul August☎ 21:33, 9 April 2015 (UTC)reply
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Medieval physicians
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus. –
FayenaticLondon 06:57, 27 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: upmerge per
WP:SMALLCAT, all these categories contain only 1, 2 of 3 articles. No need to upmerge to
Category:Medieval physicians because I've made sure that all of them are in an Xth-century physicians category already.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 16:18, 4 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose This will get us into directly categorizing people of Medieval times under categories meant for the nationals of modern nations. This will muddy our categorization. This will miscategorize many. Some miscategorization happens when categories are linked mother to daughter, but this direct linking is not a wise idea.
John Pack Lambert (
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Can you explain your objection? I don't see the difference between - say -
Category:Medieval Czech physicians and
Category:Czech physicians in this respect, because it's both in the same tree and it's both referring to a country that didn't exist yet. 21:13, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
@
Piotrus: That may be the case, but there's no way to tell that these will ever be on English Wikipedia (unless you commit to taking care of it).
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Category:Health disparities
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FayenaticLondon 07:05, 27 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Small category with few articles. Disparities can happily be included in determinants. Now a commoner approach to these topics. Disparities rather implies that these things arise at random and nothing can be done about them. Determinants implies causation.
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Category:History of the Czech Republic
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Essentially the rename is proposed because of the ambiguity of the catchphrase History of the Czech Republic, it may mean the entire history, it may also mean only the very recent history.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 12:58, 4 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Procedural remark. Personally I'm neutral towards the alternative or renaming a lot of other subcats because in the end it would serve the same purpose (avoiding ambiguity). But the alternative does require a separate nomination because it concerns different categories than nominated here. @
Brandmeister: Are you willing to take the lead in that? If it turns out that the alternative gets consensus I will withdraw this nomination.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:38, 5 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Oppose "Czech Republic" most clearly refers to the
Czech Republic. This isn't a useful change and only confuses readers with the tantalising prospect of some "pre-1993 Czech Republic" which, as far as I can see, did not exist.
SFB 12:52, 5 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Keep -- It is sufficient for the date to appear in the head note. I beleive that before 1993, there were three polities within Czechosovakia: Bohemia, Moravia, and Slovakia, of which the first two became the Czech Republic. Accordingly, we should not get a category for "Czech Republic (xx--1993)".
Peterkingiron (
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Keep and restructure to have this as the parent and "History of the Czech lands" as the pre-Republic sub-cat. –
FayenaticLondon 16:26, 6 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Comment If I understood correctly,
Brandmeister has in mind to have "History of the Czech lands" as the parent and to keep "History of the Czech Republic" as the 1993+ history, while
Fayenatic has in mind to have "History of the Czech Republic" as the parent and to turn "History of the Czech lands" into a -1993 history. I have a (weak) preference for Brandmeister's thought as it seems to me that the Czech Republic only exists since 1993, while Czechoslovakia (1918-1993) and Bohemia (before 1918) were different countries. Anyway it seems that Brandmeister and Fayenatic london should also directly comment on each other's thoughts.
Marcocapelle (
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It's a trade-off between general standardization and being unambiguous in this particular case. There is definitely a need for more clarity in this tree which you can most clearly see in the history by topic. Some topics deal with the whole history of the Czech lands from prehistory to present (like
Category:Disasters in the Czech Republic), other topics deal with the Czech Republic history since 1993 (like
Category:Military history of the Czech Republic). Regardless of which category should be at the head of tree, I would plea for having categories with (1993–) in the name just to avoid that kind of confusion.
Marcocapelle (
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Category:Moravian noble families
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The result of the discussion was:rename.
MER-C 12:27, 15 April 2015 (UTC)reply
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Category:Czech Austro-Hungarians
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The result of the discussion was:delete. –
FayenaticLondon 15:57, 12 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Delete I can't find anything that suggests people ever identified as
Czech Austro-Hungarian. The Czech and Austro-Hungarian trees do the job well enough separately. For me this construction makes as much sense as someone being classified as
Scottish British.
SFB 12:56, 5 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Recategorise all then delete -- Linguistically, the Czechs, the Austrians, and the Hungarians were separate peoples. "People of the Austro-Hungarian Empire" might make a useful container-only category, but people should be categoised according to actual ethnicity or nationality. Bohemia, Moravia, Hungary, Austria, etc were all constituent parts of an empire with a single ruler, but different titles for his rulership of his vartious realms.
Peterkingiron (
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Delete useless imposition of later ethnogroupings using later-devised naming on people we cannot prove what ethnicity they thought they were much less what they really were (possibility of illegitimate births negating anything but a pure female ancestry to prove any point being asserted).
Carlossuarez46 (
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Oppose We categorize people by the realm they were nationals of (in this case
Austria-Hungary) plus their ethnicity. That is what this category is doing, it is a standard and acceptable way to categorize people. If we categorized primarily on linguistic issues than
Category:Indian people would not categorize people but only [[:Category:Gujarati people}] etc. So I think Peterkingirons argument does not stand up to scrutiny of how we actually categorize people.
John Pack Lambert (
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Comment While in earlier times the unity of the domains in question was not clear, in the 19th-century the Austrian Empire was clearly a unified political area.
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Category:Number-one singles in Iceland
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MER-C 12:26, 15 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Delete. Articles related to charting in Iceland have been deleted (e.g.
Tonlist,
List of number-one singles (Iceland)) and there's no mention of the chart or its significance in any other articles (outside of chart performance sections), so the accomplishment of reaching number one in Iceland could hardly be called defining to such songs. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 00:14, 4 April 2015 (UTC)}}reply
Delete per nom; if the chart isn't notable, then being a #1 on it isn't worth noting. Ten Pound Hammer • (
What did I screw up now?) 03:24, 5 April 2015 (UTC)reply
Just for the record, the problem with Tonlist wasn't that charting in Iceland is inherently less notable in principle than charting in any other country — it's that Tonlist is a single-vendor chart (and thus not necessarily representative of what's selling at other music retailers, or of factors like radio airplay) rather than a true
IFPI-certified national chart. Not being familiar with Iceland, I don't know if there's another more appropriate chart that this category could be repurposed to cover — if there is, then this would be allowed to exist. Delete per nom, without prejudice against recreation in the future if there's a proper Icelandic pop chart that can be used in Tonlist's place.
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