The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
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Keep The category Church History actually covers the history of all churchs and denominations. It is also an academic discipline that is studied and for which advanced degree are granted.
Here are the definitions and information I use to justify the creation of this category -
Another definition was found via the dictionary link on your talk page)
Church History.
In addition my central goal of creating this category is to provide navigational links to all Wikipedia pages in a hierarchy of categories which readers, knowing essential—defining—characteristics of a topic, can browse and quickly find sets of pages on topics that are defined by those characteristics.
WP:Category
Keep This category was just created, and the nomination for deletion is too premature. I believe time should be given for development and expansion. --Cheers--
JudeccaXIII (
talk)
15:24, 31 October 2014 (UTC)reply
When a bad category is created (that shows a lack understanding of wp categorization) it makes sense to bring it to CFD asap.
DexDor (
talk)
18:46, 2 November 2014 (UTC)reply
This new category takes a completely different approach to linking articles together in the study of Church history. It will not even resemble the
Category:History of Christianity , which I believe is completely overwhelming and unorganized at this point. If someone is looking to study church history, it would be better to follow the pattern available from colleges and universities who have already developed a syllabus on the topic. That is the intent of this new category.
Comment: I definitely like the category in principle, but I can't make head nor tail of the current structure.
Bfpage, would you be able to explain why you added this category to
Ambrose?
StAnselm (
talk)
04:28, 1 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete this most definitely does not cover all churches, or all values of "church", therefore is highly ambiguously. The content is itself a grab bag of things with similar names, so
WP:SHAREDNAME. The subcategory
Category:Church historians should also be deleted. The putative main article "Church history" is too ambiguous for a category name, since this category is not about the academic study of the history of the Christian church. "Church" does not automatically make it Christian, so as a category name, should not be used without further specification. --
67.70.35.44 (
talk)
04:43, 1 November 2014 (UTC)reply
That's a great question. The better approach would be to start over with an RfC, make a proposal, and provide specific examples to show why a new category or subcategory is needed.
Ignocrates (
talk)
14:37, 4 November 2014 (UTC)reply
The term for this is 'historiography' if I'm correct. Could be workable - however currently the category contains much more than historiography so purging would be needed to begin with.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
03:58, 7 November 2014 (UTC)reply
The phrase "history of the study of" a given topic is also used by such sources as the Eliade/Jones Encyclopedia of Religion as the name for articles dealing with how the historical study of a given topic has been conducted and in some cases changed over time, and I think that there is probably sufficient material for an article on the "History of study of the Christian church" or "Historiography of the Christian church" under one such title. For the record, I support the article being kept and possibly renamed to one of the above if such is deemed preferable.
John Carter (
talk)
21:08, 9 November 2014 (UTC)reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Keep The category Church History actually covers the history of all churchs and denominations. It is also an academic discipline that is studied and for which advanced degree are granted.
Here are the definitions and information I use to justify the creation of this category -
Another definition was found via the dictionary link on your talk page)
Church History.
In addition my central goal of creating this category is to provide navigational links to all Wikipedia pages in a hierarchy of categories which readers, knowing essential—defining—characteristics of a topic, can browse and quickly find sets of pages on topics that are defined by those characteristics.
WP:Category
Keep This category was just created, and the nomination for deletion is too premature. I believe time should be given for development and expansion. --Cheers--
JudeccaXIII (
talk)
15:24, 31 October 2014 (UTC)reply
When a bad category is created (that shows a lack understanding of wp categorization) it makes sense to bring it to CFD asap.
DexDor (
talk)
18:46, 2 November 2014 (UTC)reply
This new category takes a completely different approach to linking articles together in the study of Church history. It will not even resemble the
Category:History of Christianity , which I believe is completely overwhelming and unorganized at this point. If someone is looking to study church history, it would be better to follow the pattern available from colleges and universities who have already developed a syllabus on the topic. That is the intent of this new category.
Comment: I definitely like the category in principle, but I can't make head nor tail of the current structure.
Bfpage, would you be able to explain why you added this category to
Ambrose?
StAnselm (
talk)
04:28, 1 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete this most definitely does not cover all churches, or all values of "church", therefore is highly ambiguously. The content is itself a grab bag of things with similar names, so
WP:SHAREDNAME. The subcategory
Category:Church historians should also be deleted. The putative main article "Church history" is too ambiguous for a category name, since this category is not about the academic study of the history of the Christian church. "Church" does not automatically make it Christian, so as a category name, should not be used without further specification. --
67.70.35.44 (
talk)
04:43, 1 November 2014 (UTC)reply
That's a great question. The better approach would be to start over with an RfC, make a proposal, and provide specific examples to show why a new category or subcategory is needed.
Ignocrates (
talk)
14:37, 4 November 2014 (UTC)reply
The term for this is 'historiography' if I'm correct. Could be workable - however currently the category contains much more than historiography so purging would be needed to begin with.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
03:58, 7 November 2014 (UTC)reply
The phrase "history of the study of" a given topic is also used by such sources as the Eliade/Jones Encyclopedia of Religion as the name for articles dealing with how the historical study of a given topic has been conducted and in some cases changed over time, and I think that there is probably sufficient material for an article on the "History of study of the Christian church" or "Historiography of the Christian church" under one such title. For the record, I support the article being kept and possibly renamed to one of the above if such is deemed preferable.
John Carter (
talk)
21:08, 9 November 2014 (UTC)reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.