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Nominator's rationale: These are all mainland countries and consensus has been that moths etc pay no attention to land borders. (Eg
Spiders in Europe cfd, March 2014.) I am not necessarily in favour of Fauna by country but past attempts to upmerge such as
this one in 2008 have been inconclusive.
Oculi (
talk) 19:37, 11 November 2014 (UTC).reply
Discussion
Support All Grouping animals by political boundaries creates category clutter for animals with a wide range. Take a look at the bottom of
Haemonides cronis to see what I mean {or pick your own examples from these categories}.
RevelationDirect (
talk) 01:46, 12 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Support per the above reason which mirrors my own previous statements. I also agree that Fauna by country needs to be reassessed. I 100% agree that "animals by country" is useful information, but this is much better presented in a list format, not a category one. Arguably readers will want to see all a country's fauna presented – not just ones specific to it – so categorises are by design poor at this (unless we want to give things like
Brown rat 200+ categories).
SFB 22:12, 12 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Upmerge Dividing animals by country goes too far.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 05:47, 5 December 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:County sheriffs in the United States
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The result of the discussion was:reverse merge. –
FayenaticLondon 12:24, 22 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Merge. Complete duplicate category which looks like it was created by an editor who didn't realise that the other category had already existed for nine years. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 09:35, 11 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom. --
Lenticel(
talk) 01:38, 14 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Reverse merge We should be able to distinguish between after 1776 and before 1776. --
67.70.35.44 (
talk) 06:31, 15 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Reverse merge. For the life of me I don't see why the opposite is proposed. They are generally county sheriffs, so why not call them what they are?
Vegaswikian1 (
talk) 14:21, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Either is fine by me. Although remember that Louisiana doesn't have counties! --
Necrothesp (
talk) 14:23, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
reverse merge They are officers of the counties
Hmains (
talk) 22:24, 14 December 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:American pop singer-songwriters and Category:American rock singer-songwriters
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Category:Roman Catholic dioceses in Great Britain
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Oppose. It may look wrong, but the reason for this is that the RC Church in Ireland covers the whole of the island of Ireland, both the Republic of Ireland (which is an independent country) and Northern Ireland (which is part of the United Kingdom). There is no separate Northern Ireland RC hierarchy. The current categorisation is therefore correct. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 09:38, 11 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Support we use geography breakdowns based on real geography, not geography as defined by various organizations. If an organization defines a region as "EMEA" Europe, Middle East, Africa (or Asia), we don't put their offices, misadventures, etc. into such a category. We divvy them up per WP's view of geography, not the categorant's.
Carlossuarez46 (
talk) 21:42, 12 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Oppose -- We should follow the organisation adopted bhy the church. This is organsised on an all-Ireland basis, so that a GB category might be appropriate. However, the church is organised separately in Scotland too, so that the Scotland category should be directly in the Europoean one. I am not clear how it is organised in England and Wales - together or separate. We should not be imposing a WP-geography on what the real world does. We do not generally allow all Ireland categories, but we do allow them when things are orgaised on that basis. wher that applies we should have a GB category, though I see reasons for not doing so in this case.
Peterkingiron (
talk)
Don't agree with this type of reasoning. Different denominations may well have a different geographical organization, for categorization we cannot follow every denomination separately.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 19:18, 21 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Support Over time, I've changed my view on this. I now support the double parentage position. It's up to the main article to explain the RC church's geographic world view. In the case of Ireland, it's the usual triple parentage (ROI, NI, I).
Laurel Lodged (
talk) 22:18, 7 December 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:17th-century church buildings by country
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The result of the discussion was:delete without prejudice to re-creation if in future more than one country has a category of 17th-century church buildings. See
search.
Nominator's rationale:Delete. Seems like an extra navigation layer that is not needed for navigation. Only content seems to be adequately categorized.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 00:24, 11 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Upmerge this and all siblings to the by country and by century parents (only).
Peterkingiron (
talk) 19:44, 15 November 2014 (UTC)reply
@
Peterkingiron: please tag and list here any siblings that you want to be considered as part of this close. –
FayenaticLondon 14:11, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale: These are all mainland countries and consensus has been that moths etc pay no attention to land borders. (Eg
Spiders in Europe cfd, March 2014.) I am not necessarily in favour of Fauna by country but past attempts to upmerge such as
this one in 2008 have been inconclusive.
Oculi (
talk) 19:37, 11 November 2014 (UTC).reply
Discussion
Support All Grouping animals by political boundaries creates category clutter for animals with a wide range. Take a look at the bottom of
Haemonides cronis to see what I mean {or pick your own examples from these categories}.
RevelationDirect (
talk) 01:46, 12 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Support per the above reason which mirrors my own previous statements. I also agree that Fauna by country needs to be reassessed. I 100% agree that "animals by country" is useful information, but this is much better presented in a list format, not a category one. Arguably readers will want to see all a country's fauna presented – not just ones specific to it – so categorises are by design poor at this (unless we want to give things like
Brown rat 200+ categories).
SFB 22:12, 12 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Upmerge Dividing animals by country goes too far.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 05:47, 5 December 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:County sheriffs in the United States
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The result of the discussion was:reverse merge. –
FayenaticLondon 12:24, 22 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Merge. Complete duplicate category which looks like it was created by an editor who didn't realise that the other category had already existed for nine years. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 09:35, 11 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom. --
Lenticel(
talk) 01:38, 14 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Reverse merge We should be able to distinguish between after 1776 and before 1776. --
67.70.35.44 (
talk) 06:31, 15 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Reverse merge. For the life of me I don't see why the opposite is proposed. They are generally county sheriffs, so why not call them what they are?
Vegaswikian1 (
talk) 14:21, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Either is fine by me. Although remember that Louisiana doesn't have counties! --
Necrothesp (
talk) 14:23, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
reverse merge They are officers of the counties
Hmains (
talk) 22:24, 14 December 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:American pop singer-songwriters and Category:American rock singer-songwriters
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Category:Roman Catholic dioceses in Great Britain
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Oppose. It may look wrong, but the reason for this is that the RC Church in Ireland covers the whole of the island of Ireland, both the Republic of Ireland (which is an independent country) and Northern Ireland (which is part of the United Kingdom). There is no separate Northern Ireland RC hierarchy. The current categorisation is therefore correct. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 09:38, 11 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Support we use geography breakdowns based on real geography, not geography as defined by various organizations. If an organization defines a region as "EMEA" Europe, Middle East, Africa (or Asia), we don't put their offices, misadventures, etc. into such a category. We divvy them up per WP's view of geography, not the categorant's.
Carlossuarez46 (
talk) 21:42, 12 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Oppose -- We should follow the organisation adopted bhy the church. This is organsised on an all-Ireland basis, so that a GB category might be appropriate. However, the church is organised separately in Scotland too, so that the Scotland category should be directly in the Europoean one. I am not clear how it is organised in England and Wales - together or separate. We should not be imposing a WP-geography on what the real world does. We do not generally allow all Ireland categories, but we do allow them when things are orgaised on that basis. wher that applies we should have a GB category, though I see reasons for not doing so in this case.
Peterkingiron (
talk)
Don't agree with this type of reasoning. Different denominations may well have a different geographical organization, for categorization we cannot follow every denomination separately.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 19:18, 21 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Support Over time, I've changed my view on this. I now support the double parentage position. It's up to the main article to explain the RC church's geographic world view. In the case of Ireland, it's the usual triple parentage (ROI, NI, I).
Laurel Lodged (
talk) 22:18, 7 December 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:17th-century church buildings by country
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The result of the discussion was:delete without prejudice to re-creation if in future more than one country has a category of 17th-century church buildings. See
search.
Nominator's rationale:Delete. Seems like an extra navigation layer that is not needed for navigation. Only content seems to be adequately categorized.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 00:24, 11 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Upmerge this and all siblings to the by country and by century parents (only).
Peterkingiron (
talk) 19:44, 15 November 2014 (UTC)reply
@
Peterkingiron: please tag and list here any siblings that you want to be considered as part of this close. –
FayenaticLondon 14:11, 19 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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