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Category:Category:Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia
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Nominator's rationale: It doesn't really matter to me which category is merged into which category but it seems like there is a great deal of overlap and these categories are redundant. If the categories are not merged, please write explanations on the category pages that explain the difference between the two categories.
LizRead!Talk!21:07, 22 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Request procedural close as the split was only just done a few days ago (19 March) to implement
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 February 19#Category:Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia. The category pages already explained the distinction as stated by Armbrust above, and both talk pages have clear links to the February discussion. I acknowledge that the names are similar, but I racked my brains for a day before closing the discussion and could not improve on what had already been suggested during the preceding month. By all means improve the explanations on the category pages if you can; I have just tried to do so. –
FayenaticLondon22:08, 22 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Fayenatic, I was unaware that this discussion was going on earlier last week. Quite a coincidence that I came across the categories yesterday. I should have checked out the Talk Pages but I just assumed that they were two similarly named categories created at different points in time.
LizRead!Talk!21:59, 23 March 2014 (UTC)reply
procedural close this discussion just ended. Let it rest for a while, then revisit later once we've had some experience using the new cats and refinish inclusion criteria.--
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The result of the discussion was:rename all. If there is a desire to merge the Auschwitz ones as Oculi suggests, no prejudice against "re"nomination; same is "Russian" is desired to be changed to "Soviet".
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Comment I did not tag each of these pages with the appropriate tag yet. Is that really a requirement in order for a bot to rename all of these pages?
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Category:Lists of Great Britain MPs
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Support, this is a far better name. I wish we could do without the term "MP" altogether in category names, it is a journalists' shorthand, useful for large headlines.
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19:04, 22 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete -- We have a separate category for each successive Parliament. To avoid category clutter, these categories are kept a short as possible "British MPs 17xx-17xx". If we are to keep this category, it should be "Lists of British MPs" or "Lists of British MPs 1707-1801". However the category has been created to contain two new lists both referring to lists of Scottish MPs appointed by the last Scottish Parliament to the first British one. I feel sure that we already have complete lists, and do not think we need further category to house what I strongly suspect are duplicate lists.
Peterkingiron (
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18:18, 23 March 2014 (UTC)reply
you have misread my suggestion. 1707-1801 covers the whole period of the GB Parliament, not just one Parliament: I would anticipate that such a category would host a list for each GB Parliament in that period, perhaps about 14 lists. My complaint was that both the presnet members relate to the Parliament that sat from 1707 untilo the next general election. I therefore wondered whether this was duplicating something else.
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The result of the discussion was:rename to Option 1. There is clearly a consensus to rename from the current names to one of the options proposed. There is no consensus on which of the two options to use—it appears that there is a 50/50 split on those who expressed a preference. Therefore, to resolve the impasse, I am simply defaulting to the current format, which is to use "MPs", since there was no consensus to change it. This discussion should not be cited as precedent for a consensus to accept the use "MPs" in category names, and the issue can be again raised for discussion in the future. In other words, there was no consensus in this discussion on the issue of whether to use "MPs" or "Members of Parliament".Good Ol’factory(talk)08:56, 1 April 2014 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: These categories contain lists of MPs grouped by the country they were elected from, not by their nationality. For example, many Scottish people have been elected as MPs for constituencies in England, and it is wrong to label them as "English MPs". --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
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Comment, this is an improvement so far as it goes, but I wish we could do without the term "MP" altogether in category names, it is a journalists' shorthand, useful for large headlines. "Members of Parliament" would be far better understood by readers outside the United Kingdom, Canada, and a handful of other Commonwealth countries.
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19:11, 22 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Personally, I prefer the shorter form for brevity, and the word "constituencies" gives it context. It's not just a jouranlistsic term; it is widely used in every day conversation, and in books. See for example these Gbooks searches for
"Tory MP",
"Labour MP". Google Scholar gives 10,000 hits for
"Labour MP", or nearly 8,000 for
"Conservative MP". I have added a second option to use the expanded form, so we can see which is preferred. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
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19:45, 22 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Support option 2. We tend to avoid abbreviations in category names. If we avoid the use of UK in category names, this should be changed.
Vegaswikian (
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23:39, 22 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Support option 1. We have a convention of abbreviating to MP, because many of them site for many successive Parliaments and have a category for each Parliament. Expanding the abbreviation would lead to unacceptable category clutter. Both the English categories should be merged. Indeed I am not sure that the "by location" category or its contents should exist at all. At one stage we had a category for Cornish MPs, but was that not ultimately deleted?
Peterkingiron (
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18:23, 23 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Support option 2 per
Vegaswikian, although I would add that "MP" is a more confusing term for most of the world than "UK", now rightly avoided in category names. For more on that, just glance at the page
MP!
Moonraker (
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00:14, 24 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Support option 1. This has been debated many times and the conclusion has been that the gain in clarity is not worth the excessive letter-count. (It is not true that UK is not used: cf
Category:UK MPs 1900–06.)
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Category:UNESCO World Heritage Sites in West Bengal
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The result of the discussion was: 'Merge I'm merging everything, as there didn't appear to be consensus concerning removing the redirects, below. - jc3722:38, 22 April 2014 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale:WP:OCAT#SMALL. Only five entries, questionable definition. Nostalgia Critic doesn't "criticized various aspects of the Internet", but most uses I've seen of "Internet critic" do include shows of his sort. I can't find any critics who actually do criticize individual aspects of the Internet. Ten Pound Hammer • (
What did I screw up now?)00:53, 22 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. The initial edit summary when created shows that it was intended to hold
Category:Critics of Wikipedia, which I have put back into it for now. However, I agree with the rationale for deletion. Vast numbers of journalists, politicians, activists, preachers etc criticise various aspects of the internet; doing so is not a
defining characteristic. –
FayenaticLondon15:18, 22 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete This is not a defining act for most people who do it. What might be workable is if we had "web-site critics" who others would call "web-site reviewers" sort of like book reviewers and film reviewers, but I don't think that is what is intended here, or is that what is intended?
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19:44, 29 March 2014 (UTC)----reply
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Category:Category:Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia
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Nominator's rationale: It doesn't really matter to me which category is merged into which category but it seems like there is a great deal of overlap and these categories are redundant. If the categories are not merged, please write explanations on the category pages that explain the difference between the two categories.
LizRead!Talk!21:07, 22 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Request procedural close as the split was only just done a few days ago (19 March) to implement
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 February 19#Category:Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia. The category pages already explained the distinction as stated by Armbrust above, and both talk pages have clear links to the February discussion. I acknowledge that the names are similar, but I racked my brains for a day before closing the discussion and could not improve on what had already been suggested during the preceding month. By all means improve the explanations on the category pages if you can; I have just tried to do so. –
FayenaticLondon22:08, 22 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Fayenatic, I was unaware that this discussion was going on earlier last week. Quite a coincidence that I came across the categories yesterday. I should have checked out the Talk Pages but I just assumed that they were two similarly named categories created at different points in time.
LizRead!Talk!21:59, 23 March 2014 (UTC)reply
procedural close this discussion just ended. Let it rest for a while, then revisit later once we've had some experience using the new cats and refinish inclusion criteria.--
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Category:Govals bhand in rajasthan rajputana
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The result of the discussion was:rename all. If there is a desire to merge the Auschwitz ones as Oculi suggests, no prejudice against "re"nomination; same is "Russian" is desired to be changed to "Soviet".
The BushrangerOne ping only04:52, 10 April 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment I did not tag each of these pages with the appropriate tag yet. Is that really a requirement in order for a bot to rename all of these pages?
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Support, this is a far better name. I wish we could do without the term "MP" altogether in category names, it is a journalists' shorthand, useful for large headlines.
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19:04, 22 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete -- We have a separate category for each successive Parliament. To avoid category clutter, these categories are kept a short as possible "British MPs 17xx-17xx". If we are to keep this category, it should be "Lists of British MPs" or "Lists of British MPs 1707-1801". However the category has been created to contain two new lists both referring to lists of Scottish MPs appointed by the last Scottish Parliament to the first British one. I feel sure that we already have complete lists, and do not think we need further category to house what I strongly suspect are duplicate lists.
Peterkingiron (
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18:18, 23 March 2014 (UTC)reply
you have misread my suggestion. 1707-1801 covers the whole period of the GB Parliament, not just one Parliament: I would anticipate that such a category would host a list for each GB Parliament in that period, perhaps about 14 lists. My complaint was that both the presnet members relate to the Parliament that sat from 1707 untilo the next general election. I therefore wondered whether this was duplicating something else.
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17:51, 24 March 2014 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was:rename to Option 1. There is clearly a consensus to rename from the current names to one of the options proposed. There is no consensus on which of the two options to use—it appears that there is a 50/50 split on those who expressed a preference. Therefore, to resolve the impasse, I am simply defaulting to the current format, which is to use "MPs", since there was no consensus to change it. This discussion should not be cited as precedent for a consensus to accept the use "MPs" in category names, and the issue can be again raised for discussion in the future. In other words, there was no consensus in this discussion on the issue of whether to use "MPs" or "Members of Parliament".Good Ol’factory(talk)08:56, 1 April 2014 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: These categories contain lists of MPs grouped by the country they were elected from, not by their nationality. For example, many Scottish people have been elected as MPs for constituencies in England, and it is wrong to label them as "English MPs". --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
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15:56, 22 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment, this is an improvement so far as it goes, but I wish we could do without the term "MP" altogether in category names, it is a journalists' shorthand, useful for large headlines. "Members of Parliament" would be far better understood by readers outside the United Kingdom, Canada, and a handful of other Commonwealth countries.
Moonraker (
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19:11, 22 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Personally, I prefer the shorter form for brevity, and the word "constituencies" gives it context. It's not just a jouranlistsic term; it is widely used in every day conversation, and in books. See for example these Gbooks searches for
"Tory MP",
"Labour MP". Google Scholar gives 10,000 hits for
"Labour MP", or nearly 8,000 for
"Conservative MP". I have added a second option to use the expanded form, so we can see which is preferred. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
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19:45, 22 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Support option 2. We tend to avoid abbreviations in category names. If we avoid the use of UK in category names, this should be changed.
Vegaswikian (
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23:39, 22 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Support option 1. We have a convention of abbreviating to MP, because many of them site for many successive Parliaments and have a category for each Parliament. Expanding the abbreviation would lead to unacceptable category clutter. Both the English categories should be merged. Indeed I am not sure that the "by location" category or its contents should exist at all. At one stage we had a category for Cornish MPs, but was that not ultimately deleted?
Peterkingiron (
talk)
18:23, 23 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Support option 2 per
Vegaswikian, although I would add that "MP" is a more confusing term for most of the world than "UK", now rightly avoided in category names. For more on that, just glance at the page
MP!
Moonraker (
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00:14, 24 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Support option 1. This has been debated many times and the conclusion has been that the gain in clarity is not worth the excessive letter-count. (It is not true that UK is not used: cf
Category:UK MPs 1900–06.)
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00:54, 24 March 2014 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale:WP:OCAT#SMALL. Only five entries, questionable definition. Nostalgia Critic doesn't "criticized various aspects of the Internet", but most uses I've seen of "Internet critic" do include shows of his sort. I can't find any critics who actually do criticize individual aspects of the Internet. Ten Pound Hammer • (
What did I screw up now?)00:53, 22 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete. The initial edit summary when created shows that it was intended to hold
Category:Critics of Wikipedia, which I have put back into it for now. However, I agree with the rationale for deletion. Vast numbers of journalists, politicians, activists, preachers etc criticise various aspects of the internet; doing so is not a
defining characteristic. –
FayenaticLondon15:18, 22 March 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete This is not a defining act for most people who do it. What might be workable is if we had "web-site critics" who others would call "web-site reviewers" sort of like book reviewers and film reviewers, but I don't think that is what is intended here, or is that what is intended?
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19:44, 29 March 2014 (UTC)----reply
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