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February 9

Category:List of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1987 TV series) episodes

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Lists of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1987 TV series) episodes. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 00:20, 18 February 2013 (UTC) reply

Nominator's rationale: Rename. The category doesn't contains lists but article about the episodes. Tassedethe ( talk) 22:27, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply

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Category:List of Chinese Canadian organizations

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The result of the discussion was: speedy renamed. Bearcat ( talk) 22:52, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Rename. This category doesn't contain lists but actual Chinese Canadian organizations. Tassedethe ( talk) 22:20, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply
To be honest, as far as I'm concerned we can just speedy-rename this as a C2B, "rename enforcing established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices", and don't need to debate it. Consider it done. Bearcat ( talk) 22:52, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply

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Category:Dominican Republic people of African descent

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The result of the discussion was: delete. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 00:22, 18 February 2013 (UTC) reply

Nominator's rationale: No references provided for any of the articles listed in the category. All the articles listed have only been listed based on the skin colour of the person, which is just WP:OR. It's easier to simply delete this category and create specific categories (such as "of Nigerian descent") if the references confirm it. TonyStarks ( talk) 18:38, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Delete The very idea of this category is counter to the reality of ancestory, ethnicity and personal knowledge in the Dominican Republic. This is definately not identifying an ethnic group in the country, which is the only way we would allow such a category. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 01:49, 10 February 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Keep There is an African descent part of the Dominican Republic. There are references linking to this matter that states that his population is around 10- 11 %. BOP have to reference this before including the category, is not just matter of skin color. Osplace 01:53, 11 February 2013 (UTC) reply
Actually more like 84% of the population of the DR is of African Descent. Well, assuming that "white" there based on the CIA handbook report used in the Demographics article means "no African ancestry" and I have my doubts about that. In the DR mixed=African. And as this category is being used it is being applied to people with no intext support based on observing pictures. Anyway, we lack an article Dominican Republic people of African descent and I have yet to see any evidence that they are a distinct ethnic group there, which they would have to be to justify this category. There is even less evidence that this category is being applied in such a way that it does not include people from the 73% of the DRs population that are identified as "mixed". John Pack Lambert ( talk) 00:31, 12 February 2013 (UTC) reply
In reply to Osplace, not a single person listed in that category has any explicit relation to Africa apart from the fact they're not "white". No Dominican person is born in Africa. Their ancestors might have come from Africa hundreds of years ago but if there's no evidence, which in 99% of the case there isn't, then they don't belong in the category. This applies to everyone listed in that category. Like I said, it makes more sense to delete this category and create categories based on national origin when necessary, such Category:Dominican Republic people of Chinese descent. TonyStarks ( talk) 11:39, 13 February 2013 (UTC) reply
Agree, Delete. Osplace 02:45, 16 February 2013 (UTC) reply
Delete per JPL. There's no reliable citation for category inclusion. Two, how far back do we go before someone attains 'Dominican' ancestry? Three, if 84 percent of the population has some African ancestry, then how is this defining? Benkenobi18 ( talk) 14:40, 13 February 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Delete yet another race/descent category with the one drop rule applied - we're worse than Goebbels in splitting genes and hairs here - the DR government doesn't even track this, so presumably trivial or of no consequence. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 19:10, 15 February 2013 (UTC) reply

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Category:Canadian LGBT mayors

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The result of the discussion was: nomination withdrawn. There were no deletion rationales at all which were validly specific to this category; instead, the only cited argument was against the entire concept of categorizing politicians as LGBT at all, which was not actually within the scope of the debate. One person did express a preference for upmerging, but also indicated that the renaming was acceptable to her — and spent much more of her time explaining that position (and the inappropriateness of the "delete as irrelevant" argument) instead of the upmerge one anyway; one person unequivocally supported renaming. Given that the possibility of a consensus to upmerge instead of renaming is the only reason that I didn't just rename it myself right off the bat, and there's clearly no consensus in the end to actually do so, I'm therefore closing this as a withdrawn nomination and just going ahead with what I probably should have done in the first place. If anybody wants to make a comprehensive nomination of the entire Category:LGBT politicians tree, they're certainly free to do so if they wish — but I have to admit that the phrase "fool's errand" comes to mind. Bearcat ( talk) 08:54, 22 February 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: As with the Category:Women mayors categories, this needs to be standardized on the "Mayors of places in X", rather than "Xian mayors", convention. (Sibling category Category:LGBT mayors of places in the United States is already correctly named.) That said, I'm not fully convinced that we actually need this at all — it's a recent creation by an editor who went through Category:LGBT politicians from Canada to systematically apply the same subcategories that were already in place within Category:LGBT politicians from the United States with no apparent regard to whether they were actually needed or not. For instance, this category only contains four articles — as opposed to the USian one, which contains almost 40, making it larger than the general international Category:LGBT mayors and the Category:Canadian LGBT mayors subcategory combined. So I certainly wouldn't object if CFD consensus settled on upmerging these articles back to Category:Canadian LGBT people in municipal politics and Category:LGBT mayors instead — but if we do want to keep it, then it definitely needs to be renamed in accordance with the established naming convention for mayors categories. Bearcat ( talk) 17:44, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply
Considering that you can still, in many countries, count the number of openly LGBT politicians on one hand — and considering that the ability of LGBT politicians to be out and still get elected is a phenomenon that didn't exist before the 1970s — it very much is a significant and notable concern when considering political office holders. For one thing, per WP:POLOUTCOMES an openly LGBT mayor qualifies for a Wikipedia article specifically on the grounds of being openly LGBT, even if they're the mayor of a town otherwise too small to claim notability just for being a mayor, because it's still rare enough to be a noteworthy occurence in its own right. And for another, the ability of LGBT politicians to get elected to office is itself generally one of the first, and one of the most inherently notable, signs in any country that visible progress toward LGBT equality is even occurring (in exactly the same way that is also true for women.)
Accordingly, the only valid question here is whether we actually need this particular country subcat at this time on size grounds alone — we are not debating whether "LGBT politicians" categories should or shouldn't exist at all. Bearcat ( talk) 19:04, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply

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Category:Songs written by James Valentine (musician)

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The result of the discussion was: do not rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:22, 18 February 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Unwarranted disambiguation. J Milburn ( talk) 17:34, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply

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Category:EC 3.5.1

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Linear amides. Editors seem to be evenly divided between support for "amides" and amidases", so I was going to toss a coin. But Google shows 145,000 hits for "linear amides" versus only 41 hits for "linear amidases", so I left the coin in my piggy bank. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 00:33, 18 February 2013 (UTC) reply

Nominator's rationale: Rename. Ran into this one by accident. EC 3.5.1 seems to be a short hand standardized notation for Triphosphoric Monoester Hydrolases. Since neither the short form or the long form have articles, it is not clear what term should be used. This is a trial nomination. If there is a consensus, then the related categories will need renaming. Comments especially welcome. Vegaswikian ( talk) 07:00, 14 January 2013 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Relisting comment: The nom specifically asked for comments so I assume people would be ok with relisting to give the opportunity to have more discussion. It doesn't seem like enough conversation has taken place here to come up with a plan.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, delldot ∇. 19:00, 24 January 2013 (UTC) reply


Relisted from CFD 2013 January 24 to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Relisting comment: The current name has no supporters, but there is as yet no consensus on any alternative. Relisting one more time, in the hope that some WikiProject notifications may bring in a few more editors.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 17:04, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply

WikiProject Molecular and Cellular Biology has been notified. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 17:16, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply

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Category:Tipperary GAA hurlers

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The result of the discussion was: Rename per recent full discussions at WT:GAA and elsewhere. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 20:35, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Rename to restore the long-standing title which was changed at CFD 2013 January 3. There is a complicated history behind this, so here's a brief explanation for those unaware of it:
After the January 3 discussion, two further group nominations were opened to rename other similar categories: see CfD January 17 and CfD January 26. The controversy over these moves and other related issues led to a dispute-resolution process at WT:GAA, where there were was a clear consensus to use the "Foo hurlers" naming format for such categories: see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Gaelic games#Proposal_3 ( permalink).
I opposed a proposal to speedily rename this category, because it seemed procedurally wrong to simply revert a recent and valid CFD. So this nomination gives editors the opportunity for further discussion, if they want to do so ... although personally, I think that the issue has been done to death. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:52, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply
WikiProject Ireland has been notified. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:59, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply
WikiProject Gaelic games has been notified. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:59, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply

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Category:Ancient Greeks accused or listed as atheists

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The result of the discussion was: delete. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 02:36, 18 February 2013 (UTC) reply

Nominator's rationale: Delete or rename to restrict the scope to something that's clear and objective (and grammatically sound). All categories based on things like "believed to be"/"accused of"/"considered as" run into the same "by whom?" problem. A third of the articles in there don't even mention atheism, some suggest that the atheism label was used by rivals and enemies of the subject at the time while others indicate that the subject is considered by modern historians as atheists. These nuances cannot be conveyed by a category and this should really be the subject of some sort of list or more interestingly an article on atheism in Ancient Greece (or a section in Religion in ancient Greece). Pichpich ( talk) 14:55, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply
I think allowing an "x accused of y" category to exist will create a very bad precedent that we whould avoid like the plague it is. This might be acceptable for a list, but I cannot see any reason to give a category such a horrible name. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 00:34, 12 February 2013 (UTC) reply

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Cities and towns in Sudetenland

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The result of the discussion was: delete both. No need to listify, because a list already exists at Municipalities in Sudetenland. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 02:53, 18 February 2013 (UTC) reply


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Category:Weapons of Australia in active service

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The result of the discussion was: delete all. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 02:45, 18 February 2013 (UTC) reply


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Category:Works by W. W. Phelps (Mormon)

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Songs with lyrics by W. W. Phelps (Mormon). -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 02:47, 18 February 2013 (UTC) reply

I can gaurantee that Phelps never wrote any music for his hymns. He was the leading Latter-day Saint hymnist of the early years of the Church. If this was Evan Stephens, at least by number of productions the leading Latter-day Saint hymnist from the turn of the century, I would advocate the second type of name, since some of his works the lyrics were by others (though most he wrote the lyrics and music), but none of Stephens' works currently have their own articles, so that is not an issue. With Phelps though I am familiar with all his works listed in the article, not just the ones we have articles on, and can tell you for certain they all have tunes written by others. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:13, 16 February 2013 (UTC) reply
Apologies to JPL. I saw your amended target category, but did not read! What you may have thought of as bad faith was certainly not intended that way. Cheers. -- Richhoncho ( talk) 09:56, 16 February 2013 (UTC) reply

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Category:Liberty Global Europe

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The result of the discussion was: rename (C2D). The Bushranger One ping only 13:03, 13 February 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: The company is involved in more locations than just Europe. Bbb2007 ( talk) 00:08, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply

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February 9

Category:List of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1987 TV series) episodes

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Lists of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1987 TV series) episodes. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 00:20, 18 February 2013 (UTC) reply

Nominator's rationale: Rename. The category doesn't contains lists but article about the episodes. Tassedethe ( talk) 22:27, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply

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Category:List of Chinese Canadian organizations

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The result of the discussion was: speedy renamed. Bearcat ( talk) 22:52, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Rename. This category doesn't contain lists but actual Chinese Canadian organizations. Tassedethe ( talk) 22:20, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply
To be honest, as far as I'm concerned we can just speedy-rename this as a C2B, "rename enforcing established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices", and don't need to debate it. Consider it done. Bearcat ( talk) 22:52, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply

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Category:Dominican Republic people of African descent

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The result of the discussion was: delete. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 00:22, 18 February 2013 (UTC) reply

Nominator's rationale: No references provided for any of the articles listed in the category. All the articles listed have only been listed based on the skin colour of the person, which is just WP:OR. It's easier to simply delete this category and create specific categories (such as "of Nigerian descent") if the references confirm it. TonyStarks ( talk) 18:38, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Delete The very idea of this category is counter to the reality of ancestory, ethnicity and personal knowledge in the Dominican Republic. This is definately not identifying an ethnic group in the country, which is the only way we would allow such a category. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 01:49, 10 February 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Keep There is an African descent part of the Dominican Republic. There are references linking to this matter that states that his population is around 10- 11 %. BOP have to reference this before including the category, is not just matter of skin color. Osplace 01:53, 11 February 2013 (UTC) reply
Actually more like 84% of the population of the DR is of African Descent. Well, assuming that "white" there based on the CIA handbook report used in the Demographics article means "no African ancestry" and I have my doubts about that. In the DR mixed=African. And as this category is being used it is being applied to people with no intext support based on observing pictures. Anyway, we lack an article Dominican Republic people of African descent and I have yet to see any evidence that they are a distinct ethnic group there, which they would have to be to justify this category. There is even less evidence that this category is being applied in such a way that it does not include people from the 73% of the DRs population that are identified as "mixed". John Pack Lambert ( talk) 00:31, 12 February 2013 (UTC) reply
In reply to Osplace, not a single person listed in that category has any explicit relation to Africa apart from the fact they're not "white". No Dominican person is born in Africa. Their ancestors might have come from Africa hundreds of years ago but if there's no evidence, which in 99% of the case there isn't, then they don't belong in the category. This applies to everyone listed in that category. Like I said, it makes more sense to delete this category and create categories based on national origin when necessary, such Category:Dominican Republic people of Chinese descent. TonyStarks ( talk) 11:39, 13 February 2013 (UTC) reply
Agree, Delete. Osplace 02:45, 16 February 2013 (UTC) reply
Delete per JPL. There's no reliable citation for category inclusion. Two, how far back do we go before someone attains 'Dominican' ancestry? Three, if 84 percent of the population has some African ancestry, then how is this defining? Benkenobi18 ( talk) 14:40, 13 February 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Delete yet another race/descent category with the one drop rule applied - we're worse than Goebbels in splitting genes and hairs here - the DR government doesn't even track this, so presumably trivial or of no consequence. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 19:10, 15 February 2013 (UTC) reply

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Category:Canadian LGBT mayors

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The result of the discussion was: nomination withdrawn. There were no deletion rationales at all which were validly specific to this category; instead, the only cited argument was against the entire concept of categorizing politicians as LGBT at all, which was not actually within the scope of the debate. One person did express a preference for upmerging, but also indicated that the renaming was acceptable to her — and spent much more of her time explaining that position (and the inappropriateness of the "delete as irrelevant" argument) instead of the upmerge one anyway; one person unequivocally supported renaming. Given that the possibility of a consensus to upmerge instead of renaming is the only reason that I didn't just rename it myself right off the bat, and there's clearly no consensus in the end to actually do so, I'm therefore closing this as a withdrawn nomination and just going ahead with what I probably should have done in the first place. If anybody wants to make a comprehensive nomination of the entire Category:LGBT politicians tree, they're certainly free to do so if they wish — but I have to admit that the phrase "fool's errand" comes to mind. Bearcat ( talk) 08:54, 22 February 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: As with the Category:Women mayors categories, this needs to be standardized on the "Mayors of places in X", rather than "Xian mayors", convention. (Sibling category Category:LGBT mayors of places in the United States is already correctly named.) That said, I'm not fully convinced that we actually need this at all — it's a recent creation by an editor who went through Category:LGBT politicians from Canada to systematically apply the same subcategories that were already in place within Category:LGBT politicians from the United States with no apparent regard to whether they were actually needed or not. For instance, this category only contains four articles — as opposed to the USian one, which contains almost 40, making it larger than the general international Category:LGBT mayors and the Category:Canadian LGBT mayors subcategory combined. So I certainly wouldn't object if CFD consensus settled on upmerging these articles back to Category:Canadian LGBT people in municipal politics and Category:LGBT mayors instead — but if we do want to keep it, then it definitely needs to be renamed in accordance with the established naming convention for mayors categories. Bearcat ( talk) 17:44, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply
Considering that you can still, in many countries, count the number of openly LGBT politicians on one hand — and considering that the ability of LGBT politicians to be out and still get elected is a phenomenon that didn't exist before the 1970s — it very much is a significant and notable concern when considering political office holders. For one thing, per WP:POLOUTCOMES an openly LGBT mayor qualifies for a Wikipedia article specifically on the grounds of being openly LGBT, even if they're the mayor of a town otherwise too small to claim notability just for being a mayor, because it's still rare enough to be a noteworthy occurence in its own right. And for another, the ability of LGBT politicians to get elected to office is itself generally one of the first, and one of the most inherently notable, signs in any country that visible progress toward LGBT equality is even occurring (in exactly the same way that is also true for women.)
Accordingly, the only valid question here is whether we actually need this particular country subcat at this time on size grounds alone — we are not debating whether "LGBT politicians" categories should or shouldn't exist at all. Bearcat ( talk) 19:04, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply

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Category:Songs written by James Valentine (musician)

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The result of the discussion was: do not rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:22, 18 February 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Unwarranted disambiguation. J Milburn ( talk) 17:34, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply

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Category:EC 3.5.1

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Linear amides. Editors seem to be evenly divided between support for "amides" and amidases", so I was going to toss a coin. But Google shows 145,000 hits for "linear amides" versus only 41 hits for "linear amidases", so I left the coin in my piggy bank. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 00:33, 18 February 2013 (UTC) reply

Nominator's rationale: Rename. Ran into this one by accident. EC 3.5.1 seems to be a short hand standardized notation for Triphosphoric Monoester Hydrolases. Since neither the short form or the long form have articles, it is not clear what term should be used. This is a trial nomination. If there is a consensus, then the related categories will need renaming. Comments especially welcome. Vegaswikian ( talk) 07:00, 14 January 2013 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Relisting comment: The nom specifically asked for comments so I assume people would be ok with relisting to give the opportunity to have more discussion. It doesn't seem like enough conversation has taken place here to come up with a plan.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, delldot ∇. 19:00, 24 January 2013 (UTC) reply


Relisted from CFD 2013 January 24 to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Relisting comment: The current name has no supporters, but there is as yet no consensus on any alternative. Relisting one more time, in the hope that some WikiProject notifications may bring in a few more editors.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 17:04, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply

WikiProject Molecular and Cellular Biology has been notified. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 17:16, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply

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Category:Tipperary GAA hurlers

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The result of the discussion was: Rename per recent full discussions at WT:GAA and elsewhere. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 20:35, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Rename to restore the long-standing title which was changed at CFD 2013 January 3. There is a complicated history behind this, so here's a brief explanation for those unaware of it:
After the January 3 discussion, two further group nominations were opened to rename other similar categories: see CfD January 17 and CfD January 26. The controversy over these moves and other related issues led to a dispute-resolution process at WT:GAA, where there were was a clear consensus to use the "Foo hurlers" naming format for such categories: see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Gaelic games#Proposal_3 ( permalink).
I opposed a proposal to speedily rename this category, because it seemed procedurally wrong to simply revert a recent and valid CFD. So this nomination gives editors the opportunity for further discussion, if they want to do so ... although personally, I think that the issue has been done to death. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:52, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply
WikiProject Ireland has been notified. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:59, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply
WikiProject Gaelic games has been notified. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:59, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply

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Category:Ancient Greeks accused or listed as atheists

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The result of the discussion was: delete. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 02:36, 18 February 2013 (UTC) reply

Nominator's rationale: Delete or rename to restrict the scope to something that's clear and objective (and grammatically sound). All categories based on things like "believed to be"/"accused of"/"considered as" run into the same "by whom?" problem. A third of the articles in there don't even mention atheism, some suggest that the atheism label was used by rivals and enemies of the subject at the time while others indicate that the subject is considered by modern historians as atheists. These nuances cannot be conveyed by a category and this should really be the subject of some sort of list or more interestingly an article on atheism in Ancient Greece (or a section in Religion in ancient Greece). Pichpich ( talk) 14:55, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply
I think allowing an "x accused of y" category to exist will create a very bad precedent that we whould avoid like the plague it is. This might be acceptable for a list, but I cannot see any reason to give a category such a horrible name. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 00:34, 12 February 2013 (UTC) reply

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Cities and towns in Sudetenland

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The result of the discussion was: delete both. No need to listify, because a list already exists at Municipalities in Sudetenland. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 02:53, 18 February 2013 (UTC) reply


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Category:Weapons of Australia in active service

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The result of the discussion was: delete all. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 02:45, 18 February 2013 (UTC) reply


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Category:Works by W. W. Phelps (Mormon)

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Songs with lyrics by W. W. Phelps (Mormon). -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 02:47, 18 February 2013 (UTC) reply

I can gaurantee that Phelps never wrote any music for his hymns. He was the leading Latter-day Saint hymnist of the early years of the Church. If this was Evan Stephens, at least by number of productions the leading Latter-day Saint hymnist from the turn of the century, I would advocate the second type of name, since some of his works the lyrics were by others (though most he wrote the lyrics and music), but none of Stephens' works currently have their own articles, so that is not an issue. With Phelps though I am familiar with all his works listed in the article, not just the ones we have articles on, and can tell you for certain they all have tunes written by others. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 02:13, 16 February 2013 (UTC) reply
Apologies to JPL. I saw your amended target category, but did not read! What you may have thought of as bad faith was certainly not intended that way. Cheers. -- Richhoncho ( talk) 09:56, 16 February 2013 (UTC) reply

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Category:Liberty Global Europe

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The result of the discussion was: rename (C2D). The Bushranger One ping only 13:03, 13 February 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: The company is involved in more locations than just Europe. Bbb2007 ( talk) 00:08, 9 February 2013 (UTC) reply

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