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Merge per everybody. While I'd actually prefer to kill
Category:Upcoming films altogether, due to its transitory "constantly in flux" nature which necessitates constant maintenance, I doubt there's a consensus for that and at the very least there's no value in subdividing it by nationality.
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Category:Bengali intellectuals killed in 1971
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The result of the discussion was:MERGE to Category:People killed in the Bangladesh Liberation War. This is marginal tending to delete, but does not quite have the convergence of opinion that looks like a rough consensus - however, there is agreement that the category should not remain as it is, and a good target has been identified that seems like the real meaning of the category anyway. -
Splash -
tk22:20, 27 January 2014 (UTC)reply
Post closure note: Actually, all 6 articles in the nominated category were already in the merge target, so this actually amounted to a straight delete in effect (only).
Splash -
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Nominator's rationale: We don't have a category for "Bengali intellectuals" (that this could be a child of) and we don't normally (AFAIK) categorize by the combination of nationality, occupation and year-of-death. The two articles currently in this category are in plenty of other categories including
Category:1971 deaths.
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Category:Pornographic film actors of Spanish ethnicity
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Delete This is way too specific. However, like French and Italian, Spanish can actually be used to designate an ethnicity. Hispanic may originally have been seen as the ethnic designation, but there are people describe as "Hispanic" who have no real connection to being ethnically Spanish.
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Category:Pet molluscs
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Delete - an animal species is not defined by whether or not someone kept a particular representative of the animal as a pet. Potentially any non-extinct animal could be kept as a pet by someone. Individual pet animals should be categorized under
Category:Individual animals and its sub-categories.
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Keep. Animal species most definitely can be classified according to whether they are commonly kept as pets, as evidenced by abundant sources covering the keeping of certain species (or of more general taxonomic groups) but not others. The categorization is both useful to readers and also clear-cut enough to be supportable by reliable sources. For this category alone there are entire books dedicated to, say, snail care for home aquarists. That "potentially any non-extinct animal could be kept as a pet" is a specious argument, as that's not what this and other pet categories are intended for. —
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To me it appears that this and its sibling categories are intended to capture any animal that can be or has been kept as a pet. That is borne out by the contents of this category. Why, what do you think they're intended for?
delete we should also delete the other pet categories - which sources are used to determine 'commonly kept as pets'? Are we talking about now, in America, or are we talking about what pets Sumerian kings would keep? Better to turn these into lists, as being-kept-as-a-pet is not defining of snails or octopi. We could keep topic cats like dogs-as-pets but linking individual species here is a bad idea, so I would support clearing the other ones too. Amongst Las Vegas magicians, white tigers are common pets but I don't think this is defining of the white tiger as species. A list could better capture volume on a per country basis of pet-keeping which would allow us to see relative levels of pet-osity for different species - but as a category it's too subjective.--
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Delete I'm not conceptually against a domesticated animal cat and ones commonly kept as pets might qualify. But these animals are rarely kept as pets and Giant African Snail should not be kept as one. Just because some fool puts a walrus in their pool...
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23:21, 9 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Delete -- Whether capitve octopoi, snails, etc are pets is debatable anyway. However this is categoirising species, not specifically pets. Possibly it might be listified as molluscs that can be kept as pets, but do we really need that?
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Category:People made famous by their deaths
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Delete per nom. Note: If a person was made famous by their death then (per WP:BLP1EWP:ONEEVENT) we shouldn't have an article about the person, but we might have an article about the event of their death (e.g. a murder).
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While we do indeed have some articles about people whose death happened to be the thing that made them notable enough to have an article (think
Matthew Shepard and
Mary Jo Kopechne), that fact in and of itself is not a
WP:DEFINING characteristic that warrants categorization as such — and as noted, we avoid subjective terminology like "famous". Delete with fire.
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Category:The West Wing stubs
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. The dedicated fans of The West Wing have made a West Wings stub category unnecessary. There have not been more than a handful of stubs for this category for a considerable amount of time. Keep and upmerge template, and delete category.
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Scottish Professional Football League players
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Merge all -- At differnet stages in a career, players are likely to play in different leagues. Also the presnet league is a merger of two others in 2013, so that the definitions exclude players who retired before 2013. We do not generally allow a current/past split.
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Merge all -- At differnet stages in a career, men are likely to manage in different leagues. Also the presnet league is a merger of two others in 2013, so that the definitions exclude managers who retired before 2013. We do not generally allow a current/past split.
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Category:Yusuf Islam albums
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Nominator's rationale:Merge. It seems these albums should all be under the Cat Stevens category since they are the same person and that category matches the title of the
main article. A category redirect would be appropriate, however. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me10:34, 8 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Keep - Although the albums are by the same artist, the Cat Stevens albums are predominantly Pop or Rock albums, whereas the Yusuf Islam albums are Islamic music albums. His change of music is synonymous with his change of name after his conversion to Islam. I think a combination of these points deduce a notable and defining characteristic. It is useful to have separate categories as the category
Category:Islamic music albums only applies to a third of the subject's albums.
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14:01, 9 December 2013 (UTC)reply
keep this is a special case but the shift in name + different style of music makes this worthwhile. For clarity we may consider renaming both if these to 'Albums recorded as Yusuf Islam' and 'Albums recorded as Cat Stevens' or something similar.--
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Category:Women in space
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Nominator's rationale: Unneeded genderizing category; no demonstration that women have a special relationship with outer space that is different than the relationship men have with space. We already have a
Category:Female astronauts category, but this one as a parent isn't needed unless we're willing to create
Category:Men in space as well. Women are humans, and
Category:Human spaceflight is a perfectly reasonable place for any articles we have here. All existing articles are categorized elsewhere, so no need to merge.
Obi-Wan Kenobi (
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00:32, 8 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Keep There is a rather clear and defining common characteristic that exists at this point in terms of women in space, as exemplified by the coverage in
Mothers in space of gestational issues in space. As usual, nothing in Wikipedia is needed and arguments of the "isn't needed" sort demonstrate a lack of any legitimate policy based justification for deletion.
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Merge per everybody. While I'd actually prefer to kill
Category:Upcoming films altogether, due to its transitory "constantly in flux" nature which necessitates constant maintenance, I doubt there's a consensus for that and at the very least there's no value in subdividing it by nationality.
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Category:Bengali intellectuals killed in 1971
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The result of the discussion was:MERGE to Category:People killed in the Bangladesh Liberation War. This is marginal tending to delete, but does not quite have the convergence of opinion that looks like a rough consensus - however, there is agreement that the category should not remain as it is, and a good target has been identified that seems like the real meaning of the category anyway. -
Splash -
tk22:20, 27 January 2014 (UTC)reply
Post closure note: Actually, all 6 articles in the nominated category were already in the merge target, so this actually amounted to a straight delete in effect (only).
Splash -
tk22:24, 27 January 2014 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: We don't have a category for "Bengali intellectuals" (that this could be a child of) and we don't normally (AFAIK) categorize by the combination of nationality, occupation and year-of-death. The two articles currently in this category are in plenty of other categories including
Category:1971 deaths.
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21:41, 8 December 2013 (UTC)reply
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Category:Pornographic film actors of Spanish ethnicity
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Delete This is way too specific. However, like French and Italian, Spanish can actually be used to designate an ethnicity. Hispanic may originally have been seen as the ethnic designation, but there are people describe as "Hispanic" who have no real connection to being ethnically Spanish.
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18:28, 23 December 2013 (UTC)reply
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Category:Pet molluscs
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Delete - an animal species is not defined by whether or not someone kept a particular representative of the animal as a pet. Potentially any non-extinct animal could be kept as a pet by someone. Individual pet animals should be categorized under
Category:Individual animals and its sub-categories.
Jerry Pepsi (
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22:15, 8 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Keep. Animal species most definitely can be classified according to whether they are commonly kept as pets, as evidenced by abundant sources covering the keeping of certain species (or of more general taxonomic groups) but not others. The categorization is both useful to readers and also clear-cut enough to be supportable by reliable sources. For this category alone there are entire books dedicated to, say, snail care for home aquarists. That "potentially any non-extinct animal could be kept as a pet" is a specious argument, as that's not what this and other pet categories are intended for. —
Psychonaut (
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09:33, 9 December 2013 (UTC)reply
To me it appears that this and its sibling categories are intended to capture any animal that can be or has been kept as a pet. That is borne out by the contents of this category. Why, what do you think they're intended for?
delete we should also delete the other pet categories - which sources are used to determine 'commonly kept as pets'? Are we talking about now, in America, or are we talking about what pets Sumerian kings would keep? Better to turn these into lists, as being-kept-as-a-pet is not defining of snails or octopi. We could keep topic cats like dogs-as-pets but linking individual species here is a bad idea, so I would support clearing the other ones too. Amongst Las Vegas magicians, white tigers are common pets but I don't think this is defining of the white tiger as species. A list could better capture volume on a per country basis of pet-keeping which would allow us to see relative levels of pet-osity for different species - but as a category it's too subjective.--
Obi-Wan Kenobi (
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15:07, 9 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Delete I'm not conceptually against a domesticated animal cat and ones commonly kept as pets might qualify. But these animals are rarely kept as pets and Giant African Snail should not be kept as one. Just because some fool puts a walrus in their pool...
RevelationDirect (
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23:21, 9 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Delete -- Whether capitve octopoi, snails, etc are pets is debatable anyway. However this is categoirising species, not specifically pets. Possibly it might be listified as molluscs that can be kept as pets, but do we really need that?
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12:42, 15 December 2013 (UTC)reply
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Category:People made famous by their deaths
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Delete per nom. Note: If a person was made famous by their death then (per WP:BLP1EWP:ONEEVENT) we shouldn't have an article about the person, but we might have an article about the event of their death (e.g. a murder).
DexDor (
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DexDor (
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05:41, 9 December 2013 (UTC)reply
While we do indeed have some articles about people whose death happened to be the thing that made them notable enough to have an article (think
Matthew Shepard and
Mary Jo Kopechne), that fact in and of itself is not a
WP:DEFINING characteristic that warrants categorization as such — and as noted, we avoid subjective terminology like "famous". Delete with fire.
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06:32, 13 December 2013 (UTC)reply
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Category:The West Wing stubs
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. The dedicated fans of The West Wing have made a West Wings stub category unnecessary. There have not been more than a handful of stubs for this category for a considerable amount of time. Keep and upmerge template, and delete category.
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Scottish Professional Football League players
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Merge all -- At differnet stages in a career, players are likely to play in different leagues. Also the presnet league is a merger of two others in 2013, so that the definitions exclude players who retired before 2013. We do not generally allow a current/past split.
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Merge all -- At differnet stages in a career, men are likely to manage in different leagues. Also the presnet league is a merger of two others in 2013, so that the definitions exclude managers who retired before 2013. We do not generally allow a current/past split.
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Category:Yusuf Islam albums
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Nominator's rationale:Merge. It seems these albums should all be under the Cat Stevens category since they are the same person and that category matches the title of the
main article. A category redirect would be appropriate, however. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me10:34, 8 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Keep - Although the albums are by the same artist, the Cat Stevens albums are predominantly Pop or Rock albums, whereas the Yusuf Islam albums are Islamic music albums. His change of music is synonymous with his change of name after his conversion to Islam. I think a combination of these points deduce a notable and defining characteristic. It is useful to have separate categories as the category
Category:Islamic music albums only applies to a third of the subject's albums.
Tanbircdq (
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14:01, 9 December 2013 (UTC)reply
keep this is a special case but the shift in name + different style of music makes this worthwhile. For clarity we may consider renaming both if these to 'Albums recorded as Yusuf Islam' and 'Albums recorded as Cat Stevens' or something similar.--
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15:10, 9 December 2013 (UTC)reply
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Category:Women in space
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Nominator's rationale: Unneeded genderizing category; no demonstration that women have a special relationship with outer space that is different than the relationship men have with space. We already have a
Category:Female astronauts category, but this one as a parent isn't needed unless we're willing to create
Category:Men in space as well. Women are humans, and
Category:Human spaceflight is a perfectly reasonable place for any articles we have here. All existing articles are categorized elsewhere, so no need to merge.
Obi-Wan Kenobi (
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00:32, 8 December 2013 (UTC)reply
Keep There is a rather clear and defining common characteristic that exists at this point in terms of women in space, as exemplified by the coverage in
Mothers in space of gestational issues in space. As usual, nothing in Wikipedia is needed and arguments of the "isn't needed" sort demonstrate a lack of any legitimate policy based justification for deletion.
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01:39, 8 December 2013 (UTC)reply
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