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The result of the discussion was:Keep. With a side note that the category was not tagged.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 23:05, 13 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Nominators rationale: Both are separate categories in the parent category
Category:History of the United Kingdom by period but looking at the child categories, it's random what periods appear in each category. There is a "History of Scotland/Wales/Ireland/Northern Ireland by period" categories and I think "England" is more clearly a geographic place name than "Britain". If there is an important distinction between the two that is crucial to periodization, that should be noted on both the category pages.
Newjerseyliz (
talk) 22:13, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Keep the Britain category is clearly for the old stuff, the Industrial Revolution was miscategorized, but the other periods are clearly pre-England/Wales/Scotland/Ireland etc. Further, it doesn't make sense, since Wales is part of Britain, but not England. --
76.65.128.222 (
talk) 13:31, 8 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose History of Britain specifically covers the period before the arrival of the Anglo-Saxons.
Dimadick (
talk) 16:36, 8 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Well I was wondering why the Category "Industrial Revolution" appeared as a period under Britain.
Newjerseyliz (
talk) 02:36, 9 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose -- If we were to do anything, it would be a reverse merge, as England is only one part of Britain.
Category:Prehistoric sites in England and some century/millennia categories are the only England ones that cover the pre-migrations period. The trees should remain separate, but the distinction Roman and Prehistoric Britian categories and Dark Age and later England could usefully be covered in a headnote.
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Category:State auditors and comptrollers of the United States
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The result of the discussion was:merge. –
FayenaticLondon 21:03, 13 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Nominators rationale: They are offices with the same function with different names in different states. In no case is there a state with both.
Greg Bard (
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The result of the discussion was:keep. –
FayenaticLondon 20:54, 13 August 2013 (UTC)reply
It won't be consistent with every other category on nationality in the Fiction Category.
Newjerseyliz (
talk) 21:24, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Why do you think consistency within the fiction category overrides consistency within the Northern Ireland tree (which was decided at various cfds such as
this one and
this one)?
Oculi (
talk) 00:49, 7 August 2013 (UTC)reply
inclined to keep for clarity, per Oculi.
Seyasirt (
talk) 21:11, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Keep -- Northern Irish is not satisfactory as an adjectival version of Northern Ireland. Some country names do mnot provide a satisfactory adjective.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 15:37, 10 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Keep. The convention of
Category:Northern Ireland is to avoid the phrase "Northern Irish", which is politically non-neutral. The alternative "of/from/in Northern Ireland" was set at
CFD 2009 July 13, and has been upheld at every CFD since then. However, when alternative format better fits the convention of another categ tree, the alternative should be created as a {{category redirect}} to assist editors who categorise pages. In this case,
Category:Northern Irish Fiction should have been created as a redirect to
Category:Fiction of Northern Ireland. I have just done so, without prejudice to the outcome of this discussion (closer peel free to delete the redirect if you think that's appropriate). --
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Category:Royal College Panadura
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The result of the discussion was:Speedily deleted (G5). .
Elockid(
Talk) 12:39, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Subject is a high school, of no particular note; there will never be enough pages related to need this category.
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Category:Royal College Panadura
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The result of the discussion was:Speedily deleted (G5).
Elockid(
Talk) 12:40, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: This is about a high school in Sri Lanka. There's never going to be more than the school itself, and there is a very good chance this is the creation of a sock (looking into that now).
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Category:Terrorism in India since 2001
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Nominator's rationale: This category reflects an
arbitrary inclusion criterion since there is no compelling reason to divide the topic of
terrorism in India into pre- and post-2001 periods. India has been plagued for decades by separatist movements that have carried out countless terrorist acts of varying degrees of notability.
Each subcategory is already present in
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talk) 05:13, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. While 2001 may be controlling in some places (but even then, with by year cats, I see no reason to impose such a overall rule), it seems to not be at all controlling in India. The issues of Kashmir, Assam, Punjab and other places with movements that at times engage in terrorism long pre-date 2001, and nothing of note changed the issues in India in 2001.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 23:46, 8 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Each subcategory is in two year-based categories – "XXXX in India" and "Terrorist incidents in XXXX" – and we already have a category structure for
Category:Terrorist incidents by century, decade, and year; a parallel structure for terrorism by century, decade, and year will contain little other than the "incidents" categories. -- Black Falcon(
talk) 04:29, 10 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom.An unnecessary category. Does not fit into category tree.
Shyamsunder (
talk) 12:18, 10 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Delete -- Excetp a couple of technical items (which may need to be deleted anyway). The subject is already covered by
Category:Terrorist incidents in India by year. We deleted a lot of 20th/21st century split categories sometime ago, as a attempt at a surrogate for current/former, which we do not allow.
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Category:Current ministerial offices in New South Wales
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Nominator's rationale: Categorization should be by permanent defining characteristics so a category should not be for "current" things. Therefore, upmerge to (only) parent cat.
DexDor (
talk) 05:06, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Merge we avoid current categories in almost all cases.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 23:47, 8 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Merge -- Effectively these are the same things. In some countries, it may be useful to have a subcategory for obsolete ministries, if there are neough to warrant it.
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Category:Association of Computing Machinery Distinguished Educators
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The result of the discussion was:Delete. With only 3 members, I don't see a need to listify Mordechai Ben-Ari, Michael Kölling and Richard E. Pattis.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 05:15, 13 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Having received an award like this is not generally considered to be a
WP:DEFINING characteristic (see
WP:OC#AWARD).
DexDor (
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Category:European Capitals of Sport
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The result of the discussion was:Delete.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 05:16, 13 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: That has city has organised "a series of sport events with a strong European dimension" is not a
WP:DEFINING characteristic of the city. For info: There is a list at
European Capital of Sport. A similar category for culture
was recently deleted.
DexDor (
talk) 04:56, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Delete We already have a list with the article. I am not sure if this is an award or a venue cat, but it is not defining for the city.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 23:49, 8 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Delete for same reasons of "culture".
Carlossuarez46 (
talk) 00:53, 9 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom and per JPL. Not defining. --
95.83.253.199 (
talk) 18:36, 9 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Delete -- This is far too like an award or a performance by performer category to be kept. We have deleted Olympic cities and Capital of Culure categories. The precedent applies.
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The result of the discussion was:Keep. With a side note that the category was not tagged.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 23:05, 13 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Nominators rationale: Both are separate categories in the parent category
Category:History of the United Kingdom by period but looking at the child categories, it's random what periods appear in each category. There is a "History of Scotland/Wales/Ireland/Northern Ireland by period" categories and I think "England" is more clearly a geographic place name than "Britain". If there is an important distinction between the two that is crucial to periodization, that should be noted on both the category pages.
Newjerseyliz (
talk) 22:13, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Keep the Britain category is clearly for the old stuff, the Industrial Revolution was miscategorized, but the other periods are clearly pre-England/Wales/Scotland/Ireland etc. Further, it doesn't make sense, since Wales is part of Britain, but not England. --
76.65.128.222 (
talk) 13:31, 8 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose History of Britain specifically covers the period before the arrival of the Anglo-Saxons.
Dimadick (
talk) 16:36, 8 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Well I was wondering why the Category "Industrial Revolution" appeared as a period under Britain.
Newjerseyliz (
talk) 02:36, 9 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose -- If we were to do anything, it would be a reverse merge, as England is only one part of Britain.
Category:Prehistoric sites in England and some century/millennia categories are the only England ones that cover the pre-migrations period. The trees should remain separate, but the distinction Roman and Prehistoric Britian categories and Dark Age and later England could usefully be covered in a headnote.
Peterkingiron (
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Category:State auditors and comptrollers of the United States
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The result of the discussion was:merge. –
FayenaticLondon 21:03, 13 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Nominators rationale: They are offices with the same function with different names in different states. In no case is there a state with both.
Greg Bard (
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The result of the discussion was:keep. –
FayenaticLondon 20:54, 13 August 2013 (UTC)reply
It won't be consistent with every other category on nationality in the Fiction Category.
Newjerseyliz (
talk) 21:24, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Why do you think consistency within the fiction category overrides consistency within the Northern Ireland tree (which was decided at various cfds such as
this one and
this one)?
Oculi (
talk) 00:49, 7 August 2013 (UTC)reply
inclined to keep for clarity, per Oculi.
Seyasirt (
talk) 21:11, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Keep -- Northern Irish is not satisfactory as an adjectival version of Northern Ireland. Some country names do mnot provide a satisfactory adjective.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 15:37, 10 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Keep. The convention of
Category:Northern Ireland is to avoid the phrase "Northern Irish", which is politically non-neutral. The alternative "of/from/in Northern Ireland" was set at
CFD 2009 July 13, and has been upheld at every CFD since then. However, when alternative format better fits the convention of another categ tree, the alternative should be created as a {{category redirect}} to assist editors who categorise pages. In this case,
Category:Northern Irish Fiction should have been created as a redirect to
Category:Fiction of Northern Ireland. I have just done so, without prejudice to the outcome of this discussion (closer peel free to delete the redirect if you think that's appropriate). --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 13:02, 11 August 2013 (UTC)reply
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Category:Royal College Panadura
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The result of the discussion was:Speedily deleted (G5). .
Elockid(
Talk) 12:39, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Subject is a high school, of no particular note; there will never be enough pages related to need this category.
Qwyrxian (
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Category:Royal College Panadura
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The result of the discussion was:Speedily deleted (G5).
Elockid(
Talk) 12:40, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: This is about a high school in Sri Lanka. There's never going to be more than the school itself, and there is a very good chance this is the creation of a sock (looking into that now).
Qwyrxian (
talk) 11:42, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
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Category:Terrorism in India since 2001
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Nominator's rationale: This category reflects an
arbitrary inclusion criterion since there is no compelling reason to divide the topic of
terrorism in India into pre- and post-2001 periods. India has been plagued for decades by separatist movements that have carried out countless terrorist acts of varying degrees of notability.
Each subcategory is already present in
Category:Terrorist incidents in India by year and in two year-based categories: "XXXX in India" and "Terrorist incidents in XXXX". The two templates should be manually moved to
Category:Terrorism in India as there is no reason, in principle, to limit them to the post-2001 period. -- Black Falcon(
talk) 05:13, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. While 2001 may be controlling in some places (but even then, with by year cats, I see no reason to impose such a overall rule), it seems to not be at all controlling in India. The issues of Kashmir, Assam, Punjab and other places with movements that at times engage in terrorism long pre-date 2001, and nothing of note changed the issues in India in 2001.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 23:46, 8 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Each subcategory is in two year-based categories – "XXXX in India" and "Terrorist incidents in XXXX" – and we already have a category structure for
Category:Terrorist incidents by century, decade, and year; a parallel structure for terrorism by century, decade, and year will contain little other than the "incidents" categories. -- Black Falcon(
talk) 04:29, 10 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom.An unnecessary category. Does not fit into category tree.
Shyamsunder (
talk) 12:18, 10 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Delete -- Excetp a couple of technical items (which may need to be deleted anyway). The subject is already covered by
Category:Terrorist incidents in India by year. We deleted a lot of 20th/21st century split categories sometime ago, as a attempt at a surrogate for current/former, which we do not allow.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 15:42, 10 August 2013 (UTC)reply
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Category:Current ministerial offices in New South Wales
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Nominator's rationale: Categorization should be by permanent defining characteristics so a category should not be for "current" things. Therefore, upmerge to (only) parent cat.
DexDor (
talk) 05:06, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Merge we avoid current categories in almost all cases.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 23:47, 8 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Merge -- Effectively these are the same things. In some countries, it may be useful to have a subcategory for obsolete ministries, if there are neough to warrant it.
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Category:Association of Computing Machinery Distinguished Educators
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The result of the discussion was:Delete. With only 3 members, I don't see a need to listify Mordechai Ben-Ari, Michael Kölling and Richard E. Pattis.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 05:15, 13 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Having received an award like this is not generally considered to be a
WP:DEFINING characteristic (see
WP:OC#AWARD).
DexDor (
talk) 04:59, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
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Category:European Capitals of Sport
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The result of the discussion was:Delete.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 05:16, 13 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: That has city has organised "a series of sport events with a strong European dimension" is not a
WP:DEFINING characteristic of the city. For info: There is a list at
European Capital of Sport. A similar category for culture
was recently deleted.
DexDor (
talk) 04:56, 6 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Delete We already have a list with the article. I am not sure if this is an award or a venue cat, but it is not defining for the city.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 23:49, 8 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Delete for same reasons of "culture".
Carlossuarez46 (
talk) 00:53, 9 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom and per JPL. Not defining. --
95.83.253.199 (
talk) 18:36, 9 August 2013 (UTC)reply
Delete -- This is far too like an award or a performance by performer category to be kept. We have deleted Olympic cities and Capital of Culure categories. The precedent applies.
Peterkingiron (
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