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November 15

Category:New York colonial people

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus per Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_November_16#X_people.-- Mike Selinker ( talk) 16:52, 16 December 2012 (UTC) reply
  • To the contrary, I think people may be missing the fact that this category is used for articles about people who were active in New York (as that place is defined now) when it was under colonial control (by one or another colonial power). The category's geographic scope is not defined by political control, but by physical location. -- Orlady ( talk) 05:47, 23 November 2012 (UTC) reply

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Category:Indian law

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering ( talk) 22:16, 23 November 2012 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Current name is ambiguous. Use style as proposed for the two Chinas below. ChemTerm ( talk) 22:04, 15 November 2012 (UTC) reply

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Law in China

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The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Law of China to Category:Chinese law, and Category:Law of the Republic of China to Category:Taiwanese law. I will include a hatnote so there's no confusion.-- Mike Selinker ( talk) 16:57, 16 December 2012 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Rename. As pointed out to me in a previous nomination on November 13, we do not want to use the short name China for PRC, because the long name serves as an important historical division. The RoC category name is also still required because it contains categories for pre-1949 as well as Category:Taiwanese law. Although most of Category:Law by country would use the pattern " Category:Chinese law", this would be ambiguous, and is already used for the pan-historical parent category. In such cases, "Law in" is more common than "Law of", e.g. Category:Law in the Republic of Ireland‎, so that is the only change recommended in this proposal. – Fayenatic L ondon 21:23, 15 November 2012 (UTC) reply

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Fossil fuel power stations

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus - jc37 11:43, 5 December 2012 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: As we have the full coverage of power station categories by energy source (e.g. category:Coal-fired power stations etc) this category is unnecessary as additional level between Category:Power stations and energy source specific categories. The category was originally created by blocked user:Mac who run anti fossil and nuclear fuel and pro-renewable fuel campaign in Wikipedia and it was to used to oppose the type of energy. This category was discussed in May 2010 and then the nomination was withdrawn after arguments that "this is a useful container category" and "a common umbrella for all burner plants". However, this is unnecessary container category as we have more specific categories and we don't have that kind of additional level for renewable and nuclear power stations. This is also not the common category for all burner power stations as biomass and peat combustion power stations which use the same technology does not belong here. However, if kept, we should create the similar categories for all countries as at the moment the country specific categories are available only for five countries. Beagel ( talk) 20:49, 15 November 2012 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose. "Fossil fuels" is a well-defined widely used umbrella term for coal, petroleum, natural gas, and related fuels; it is not political rhetoric as the nominator apparently suggests. It is very sensible and useful to maintain these "fossil fuel power stations by country" categories as container categories. The fact that other countries don't yet have articles for their fossil-fueled power stations does not justify dismantling a useful category structure. -- Orlady ( talk) 05:54, 17 November 2012 (UTC) reply
Comment. Could you please explain what is the useful value of this container category while we have already more specific categories, such as category:Coal-fired power stations, category:Natural gas-fired power stations, category:Oil-fired power stations, and category:oil shale-fired power stations? Beside of statements that this is useful container category there have been no arguments (except argument by user:Hmains that this is useful for navigation for fossil fuel topics) how this category is useful. Without this explanation by my understanding this is unnecessary step between category:Power stations by type and fuel-specific categories. The statement that "other countries don't yet have articles for their fossil-fueled power stations" is incorrect. Most of countries have country specific categories for coal, natural gas or oil fueled power stations but only these five countries have this container category (e.g. please see Category:Power stations in Russia or Category:Power stations in Vietnam). Beagel ( talk) 16:12, 17 November 2012 (UTC) reply
  • Answer. Sorry to say, but saying that power stations categories are not developed systematically is not true. There are still areas in the field of energy-related categories where more systematic work is needed (and appreciated) but this does not apply power power sttaion categories and saying that power station category hierarchies have long been a hodge-podge is a baseless exaggeration. I don't think that any of these editors who has done systematic work with these categories will agree with your evaluation. The hierarchy is that under category:Power stations we have both category trees—by country ( category:Power stations by country → category:Power stations in foo → power stations by type in foo) and by type (including country-specific subcategories). I see some logic for fossil and renewable fuel power station categories but it still seems unnecessary extra stage. However, if the consensus will be to keep the fossil and renewable power stations categories, I hope you will take a part of creating these additional categories for all 147 Power stations in foo categories. Beagel ( talk) 00:14, 19 November 2012 (UTC) reply
  • The power station categories are, for the most part, reasonably well-developed. I know you've done a lot of the work in those areas, Beagel. It's the interconnections -- particularly with topics like "Renewable energy" -- that aren't so well developed. Also, I discovered that categories like Category:Oil-fired power stations by country had not yet been added to categories like Category:Fossil fuel power stations by country. I did work on several global and country-specific categories -- not just with fossil fuel power stations, but also with renewable energy power stations and various other energy categories -- to get a better understanding of the situation and to demonstrate what could be done. Obviously, there is more work to be done, but it seems premature to build out the entire category structure when some of the key categories are being actively considered for deletion and/or upmerging. -- Orlady ( talk) 00:44, 19 November 2012 (UTC) reply
  • And I've added extensively to the category tree. About 25 countries are now reasonably well in conformance with a structure that places "Fossil fuels", "Renewable energy", "Electric power", "Energy infrastructure", "Energy companies", and "Nuclear energy" (and sometimes a couple of other topics) at the top level under "Energy in country". -- Orlady ( talk) 23:32, 25 November 2012 (UTC) reply

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Category:International awards of Czech music or musicians

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering ( talk) 22:18, 23 November 2012 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Merge. Only contains one page which is a list. – Fayenatic L ondon 20:03, 15 November 2012 (UTC) reply

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Category:Dutch East Indies people

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering ( talk) 22:19, 23 November 2012 (UTC) reply

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Category:French Polynesian people

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus to rename - jc37 11:45, 5 December 2012 (UTC) reply

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Category:Tax evaders

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering ( talk) 22:21, 23 November 2012 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: To be more in line with the categories inclusion criteria: "People who have been convicted of tax evasion,". Armbrust The Homonculus 10:23, 15 November 2012 (UTC) reply

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November 15

Category:New York colonial people

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus per Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2012_November_16#X_people.-- Mike Selinker ( talk) 16:52, 16 December 2012 (UTC) reply
  • To the contrary, I think people may be missing the fact that this category is used for articles about people who were active in New York (as that place is defined now) when it was under colonial control (by one or another colonial power). The category's geographic scope is not defined by political control, but by physical location. -- Orlady ( talk) 05:47, 23 November 2012 (UTC) reply

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Category:Indian law

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering ( talk) 22:16, 23 November 2012 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Current name is ambiguous. Use style as proposed for the two Chinas below. ChemTerm ( talk) 22:04, 15 November 2012 (UTC) reply

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Law in China

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Law of China to Category:Chinese law, and Category:Law of the Republic of China to Category:Taiwanese law. I will include a hatnote so there's no confusion.-- Mike Selinker ( talk) 16:57, 16 December 2012 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Rename. As pointed out to me in a previous nomination on November 13, we do not want to use the short name China for PRC, because the long name serves as an important historical division. The RoC category name is also still required because it contains categories for pre-1949 as well as Category:Taiwanese law. Although most of Category:Law by country would use the pattern " Category:Chinese law", this would be ambiguous, and is already used for the pan-historical parent category. In such cases, "Law in" is more common than "Law of", e.g. Category:Law in the Republic of Ireland‎, so that is the only change recommended in this proposal. – Fayenatic L ondon 21:23, 15 November 2012 (UTC) reply

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Fossil fuel power stations

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: No consensus - jc37 11:43, 5 December 2012 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: As we have the full coverage of power station categories by energy source (e.g. category:Coal-fired power stations etc) this category is unnecessary as additional level between Category:Power stations and energy source specific categories. The category was originally created by blocked user:Mac who run anti fossil and nuclear fuel and pro-renewable fuel campaign in Wikipedia and it was to used to oppose the type of energy. This category was discussed in May 2010 and then the nomination was withdrawn after arguments that "this is a useful container category" and "a common umbrella for all burner plants". However, this is unnecessary container category as we have more specific categories and we don't have that kind of additional level for renewable and nuclear power stations. This is also not the common category for all burner power stations as biomass and peat combustion power stations which use the same technology does not belong here. However, if kept, we should create the similar categories for all countries as at the moment the country specific categories are available only for five countries. Beagel ( talk) 20:49, 15 November 2012 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose. "Fossil fuels" is a well-defined widely used umbrella term for coal, petroleum, natural gas, and related fuels; it is not political rhetoric as the nominator apparently suggests. It is very sensible and useful to maintain these "fossil fuel power stations by country" categories as container categories. The fact that other countries don't yet have articles for their fossil-fueled power stations does not justify dismantling a useful category structure. -- Orlady ( talk) 05:54, 17 November 2012 (UTC) reply
Comment. Could you please explain what is the useful value of this container category while we have already more specific categories, such as category:Coal-fired power stations, category:Natural gas-fired power stations, category:Oil-fired power stations, and category:oil shale-fired power stations? Beside of statements that this is useful container category there have been no arguments (except argument by user:Hmains that this is useful for navigation for fossil fuel topics) how this category is useful. Without this explanation by my understanding this is unnecessary step between category:Power stations by type and fuel-specific categories. The statement that "other countries don't yet have articles for their fossil-fueled power stations" is incorrect. Most of countries have country specific categories for coal, natural gas or oil fueled power stations but only these five countries have this container category (e.g. please see Category:Power stations in Russia or Category:Power stations in Vietnam). Beagel ( talk) 16:12, 17 November 2012 (UTC) reply
  • Answer. Sorry to say, but saying that power stations categories are not developed systematically is not true. There are still areas in the field of energy-related categories where more systematic work is needed (and appreciated) but this does not apply power power sttaion categories and saying that power station category hierarchies have long been a hodge-podge is a baseless exaggeration. I don't think that any of these editors who has done systematic work with these categories will agree with your evaluation. The hierarchy is that under category:Power stations we have both category trees—by country ( category:Power stations by country → category:Power stations in foo → power stations by type in foo) and by type (including country-specific subcategories). I see some logic for fossil and renewable fuel power station categories but it still seems unnecessary extra stage. However, if the consensus will be to keep the fossil and renewable power stations categories, I hope you will take a part of creating these additional categories for all 147 Power stations in foo categories. Beagel ( talk) 00:14, 19 November 2012 (UTC) reply
  • The power station categories are, for the most part, reasonably well-developed. I know you've done a lot of the work in those areas, Beagel. It's the interconnections -- particularly with topics like "Renewable energy" -- that aren't so well developed. Also, I discovered that categories like Category:Oil-fired power stations by country had not yet been added to categories like Category:Fossil fuel power stations by country. I did work on several global and country-specific categories -- not just with fossil fuel power stations, but also with renewable energy power stations and various other energy categories -- to get a better understanding of the situation and to demonstrate what could be done. Obviously, there is more work to be done, but it seems premature to build out the entire category structure when some of the key categories are being actively considered for deletion and/or upmerging. -- Orlady ( talk) 00:44, 19 November 2012 (UTC) reply
  • And I've added extensively to the category tree. About 25 countries are now reasonably well in conformance with a structure that places "Fossil fuels", "Renewable energy", "Electric power", "Energy infrastructure", "Energy companies", and "Nuclear energy" (and sometimes a couple of other topics) at the top level under "Energy in country". -- Orlady ( talk) 23:32, 25 November 2012 (UTC) reply

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Category:International awards of Czech music or musicians

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering ( talk) 22:18, 23 November 2012 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Merge. Only contains one page which is a list. – Fayenatic L ondon 20:03, 15 November 2012 (UTC) reply

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Category:Dutch East Indies people

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering ( talk) 22:19, 23 November 2012 (UTC) reply

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Category:French Polynesian people

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus to rename - jc37 11:45, 5 December 2012 (UTC) reply

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Category:Tax evaders

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering ( talk) 22:21, 23 November 2012 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: To be more in line with the categories inclusion criteria: "People who have been convicted of tax evasion,". Armbrust The Homonculus 10:23, 15 November 2012 (UTC) reply

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