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Category:Egyptian Languages
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The result of the discussion was:No consensus. That said, there is a consensus for a rename, just not for what the new name(s) should be. Feel free to renom for renaming. Besides the categories themselves, the dab page
Egyptian may be helpful as a place to start, including
Egyptian Arabic, and
Egyptian language, and maybe even
Egyptian hieroglyphs. - jc3718:41, 27 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose one is about the country the other is about ethnolinguistic derivations, Egyptian being an ancient ethnic group. Though considering the current contents, Northernhenge's suggestion would work.
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Category:Children's video games
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Nominator's rationale: Very arbitrary and subjective categorisation. Described as listing games "intended for an audience of children between the ages of 6 and 16" but it is very rare for publishers to publicly reveal a game's intended audience, particularly to such a specific group such as "children". A game's ESRB, PEGI, etc. rating only describes the minimum age that a game is suitable for - the intended audience may range far beyond this. Because of this, it appears that many of the articles' listings must have just been based on an editor's personal opinion.
If a category is required it should probably be based on something that could be sourced, such as ESRB/PEGI rating. ChimpanzeeUs |
Ta |
Co13:27, 6 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Delete. First off, its name is too vague. Does it mean "child-friendly" (like
Star Fox) or does it mean "a typical adult wouldn't be caught dead playing it except with his kid" (like a game based on
Sesame Street)? My intuition is the latter, yet this category is being applied to the former. Moreover, in either case, the matter is subjective. It's not Wikipedia's job to determine what's suitable for children or what isn't suitable for adults. These things get really fuzzy, too:
My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is targeted squarely at children, yet the show is famous for having a large adult demographic. I think categories should stick to clear, objective criteria. ESRB/etc. categories could do that, and they could even be automatically inserted by templates. Whether that should be done is a question I'll leave to others. -
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Response The definition of the category Children's video games refers to games that are "child-friendly" and do not feature mature content like graphic violence, strong sexual content, etc.. While adults can play most of these "child-friendly" games without needing to be in front of his kid or being a parent/uncle/aunt/legal guardian in the first place, these games feature characters that are familiar to video gaming children.
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But as suggested above, PEGI or ESRB ratings can be used to categorise games in this way. By definition, a PEGI 3 rating covers games that are:
“
considered suitable for all age groups. Some violence in a comical context (typically Bugs Bunny or Tom & Jerry cartoon-like forms of violence) is acceptable. The child should not be able to associate the character on the screen with real life characters, they should be totally fantasy. The game should not contain any sounds or pictures that are likely to scare or frighten young children. No bad language should be heard.
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Category:Praetorian prefectures of the Byzantine Empire
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My mistake: my point was that during the time period where
praetorian prefectures existed, i.e. during
Late Antiquity, one cannot really speak of a distinction between "Roman" and "Byzantine". It is nonsensical to have the prefecture of the East for instance as belonging to both the Roman and the Byzantine Empires, when we are talking about the same political entity.
Constantine ✍ 22:21, 6 January 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Wikipedians who believe in reincarnation
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Does not support collaboration to categorize Wikipedians together who happen to believe in reincarnation. This category is nearly identical to the numerous other categories listed
here, which have a near unanimous history of deletion for the same reason. A userbox is fine, but a category implies there is some project-benefiting purpose towards grouping similar users, which is not the case.
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Category:Ark of Taste foods
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Another classic overcat by some unofficial third party's listing See
WP:OC#TOPTEN. Whether it's a publication by the Rolling Stone or the slow foodies, its still Overcat.
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Category:Roller hockey All the Continental Championships
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Category:Free multilingual software
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Drastically underpopulated category, since nowadays most free software is localized. It wouldn't be useful to list all of them here. No corresponding category in the
Category:Software tree.
Pnm (
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01:17, 6 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Take a look at
Category:Free multimedia software for example. It has 28 entries and a third are multilingual:
AirtimeAmpacheBoxeeFBReaderGStreamerJuice (aggregator)LiVESMediaInfoXBMC4Xbox. (Many of the remaining ones are either defunct, or are frameworks which don't have a user interface.) The stats for this one category illustrate that there is a lot of multilingual software, and if this category were populated fully there would be hundreds of entries. If I were to add just those the nominated category would be 40% larger. It's fair to say it's drastically underpopulated. –
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15:23, 15 January 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Free game software
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Comment Open Source =/= Free; freeware is usually not open source; bannerware is free, but clearly closed source; open source doesn't mean free either, since people sell those things as well. Game software =/= game as well... a game engine or game builder is game software, but clearly not a game.
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Category:Free digital typography software
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Nominator's rationale:Rename to remove redundancy. Practically speaking, all typography software relates to digital typography.
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00:59, 6 January 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Egyptian Languages
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The result of the discussion was:No consensus. That said, there is a consensus for a rename, just not for what the new name(s) should be. Feel free to renom for renaming. Besides the categories themselves, the dab page
Egyptian may be helpful as a place to start, including
Egyptian Arabic, and
Egyptian language, and maybe even
Egyptian hieroglyphs. - jc3718:41, 27 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose one is about the country the other is about ethnolinguistic derivations, Egyptian being an ancient ethnic group. Though considering the current contents, Northernhenge's suggestion would work.
76.65.128.132 (
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07:00, 7 January 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Children's video games
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Nominator's rationale: Very arbitrary and subjective categorisation. Described as listing games "intended for an audience of children between the ages of 6 and 16" but it is very rare for publishers to publicly reveal a game's intended audience, particularly to such a specific group such as "children". A game's ESRB, PEGI, etc. rating only describes the minimum age that a game is suitable for - the intended audience may range far beyond this. Because of this, it appears that many of the articles' listings must have just been based on an editor's personal opinion.
If a category is required it should probably be based on something that could be sourced, such as ESRB/PEGI rating. ChimpanzeeUs |
Ta |
Co13:27, 6 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Delete. First off, its name is too vague. Does it mean "child-friendly" (like
Star Fox) or does it mean "a typical adult wouldn't be caught dead playing it except with his kid" (like a game based on
Sesame Street)? My intuition is the latter, yet this category is being applied to the former. Moreover, in either case, the matter is subjective. It's not Wikipedia's job to determine what's suitable for children or what isn't suitable for adults. These things get really fuzzy, too:
My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic is targeted squarely at children, yet the show is famous for having a large adult demographic. I think categories should stick to clear, objective criteria. ESRB/etc. categories could do that, and they could even be automatically inserted by templates. Whether that should be done is a question I'll leave to others. -
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04:35, 7 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Response The definition of the category Children's video games refers to games that are "child-friendly" and do not feature mature content like graphic violence, strong sexual content, etc.. While adults can play most of these "child-friendly" games without needing to be in front of his kid or being a parent/uncle/aunt/legal guardian in the first place, these games feature characters that are familiar to video gaming children.
GVnayR (
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20:30, 10 January 2012 (UTC)reply
But as suggested above, PEGI or ESRB ratings can be used to categorise games in this way. By definition, a PEGI 3 rating covers games that are:
“
considered suitable for all age groups. Some violence in a comical context (typically Bugs Bunny or Tom & Jerry cartoon-like forms of violence) is acceptable. The child should not be able to associate the character on the screen with real life characters, they should be totally fantasy. The game should not contain any sounds or pictures that are likely to scare or frighten young children. No bad language should be heard.
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Category:Praetorian prefectures of the Byzantine Empire
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My mistake: my point was that during the time period where
praetorian prefectures existed, i.e. during
Late Antiquity, one cannot really speak of a distinction between "Roman" and "Byzantine". It is nonsensical to have the prefecture of the East for instance as belonging to both the Roman and the Byzantine Empires, when we are talking about the same political entity.
Constantine ✍ 22:21, 6 January 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Wikipedians who believe in reincarnation
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Does not support collaboration to categorize Wikipedians together who happen to believe in reincarnation. This category is nearly identical to the numerous other categories listed
here, which have a near unanimous history of deletion for the same reason. A userbox is fine, but a category implies there is some project-benefiting purpose towards grouping similar users, which is not the case.
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08:10, 6 January 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Ark of Taste foods
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Another classic overcat by some unofficial third party's listing See
WP:OC#TOPTEN. Whether it's a publication by the Rolling Stone or the slow foodies, its still Overcat.
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08:06, 6 January 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Roller hockey All the Continental Championships
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Category:Free multilingual software
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Drastically underpopulated category, since nowadays most free software is localized. It wouldn't be useful to list all of them here. No corresponding category in the
Category:Software tree.
Pnm (
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01:17, 6 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Take a look at
Category:Free multimedia software for example. It has 28 entries and a third are multilingual:
AirtimeAmpacheBoxeeFBReaderGStreamerJuice (aggregator)LiVESMediaInfoXBMC4Xbox. (Many of the remaining ones are either defunct, or are frameworks which don't have a user interface.) The stats for this one category illustrate that there is a lot of multilingual software, and if this category were populated fully there would be hundreds of entries. If I were to add just those the nominated category would be 40% larger. It's fair to say it's drastically underpopulated. –
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15:23, 15 January 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Free game software
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Comment Open Source =/= Free; freeware is usually not open source; bannerware is free, but clearly closed source; open source doesn't mean free either, since people sell those things as well. Game software =/= game as well... a game engine or game builder is game software, but clearly not a game.
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Category:Free digital typography software
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Nominator's rationale:Rename to remove redundancy. Practically speaking, all typography software relates to digital typography.
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00:59, 6 January 2012 (UTC)reply
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