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:Nominator's rationale: Delete - small category with little or no growth potential. Contents are linked through text and a navtemplate.
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16:31, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:Nominator's rationale: Rename to match the parent, the child and many of the siblings in
Category:Case law by topic.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
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16:32, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:Nominator's rationale: Delete - the only court of appeals with its own category; doesn't appear to be needed at this time. No prejudice to re-creation should an appellate court-wide categorization scheme become useful at some point in the future.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
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16:34, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:* Ninth Circuit cases should be in
Category:United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit cases and not slammed willy-nilly into this category as you've been doing (and cases in which the appellate court didn't even rule should definitely not be in here).
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
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16:34, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
::* As I'm reviewing the cases for moving to the new sub-categories as well as a cursory review of articles in the Supreme Court cases and district court cases category, the court of last appeal is where the case is categorized. So a case that is heard at the district level and not appealed is in the district court cat, a case decided at the circuit level and not heard by the Supreme Court whether not appealed or certiorari denied goes in the appropriate Circuit Court case category and a case that was heard by the Supreme Court would go in a Supreme Court cases regardless of how the Supreme Court acts. So, since Newdow was heard and disposed of by SCOTUS it should be categorized at the SCOTUS level and not at the Circuit Court level.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
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16:34, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:Nominator's rationale: Rename - there are multiple Courts of Appeals in the United States so this should be pluralized. It could be a speedy rename but I thought there was a possibility it could be considered controversial.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
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16:35, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:Nominator's rationale: Rename - for the same reasons as the ones below, "comics characters" is more widely used and the current name is silly. I'm listing these separately because there has I think been discussion in the past as to the utility of magic user categories (specifically the witches subcategories) so there may be issues to discuss here that go beyond that required for the categories listed below. Any rename should be uniform across the two nominations.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
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16:36, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:::* It is absolutely not the convention that the construction "Fictional characters in..." carries down. A simple glance at
Category:Fictional characters by medium puts the lie to that idea.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
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16:36, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:Nominator's rationale: Rename - most of the subcats use "comics characters" and "fictional characters in comics" is quite frankly a silly construction.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
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GaA 16:39, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:*
User:jc37 points me to
WP:NCC regarding the naming convention but it's clear from a cursory examination of the Comics category tree that those conventions are not anywhere near any sort of standard. Also, the "convention" appears to be addressing List article names only and not category names.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
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04:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
:* Are there a lot of articles about non-fictional characters in comics?
Category:Non-fictional characters in comics could not possibly be populated because comics characters are fictional. Since comic books are a fictional medium it is obvious that characters in comic books are fictional.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
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16:39, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:::* But this is not how other fictional character categories are named. We have
Category:Film characters, not
Category:Fictional characters in films.
Category:Television characters, not
Category:Fictional characters in television.
Category:Theatre characters and not
Category:Fictional characters in theatre.
Category:Anime and manga characters (directly on point) and not
Category:Fictional characters in anime and manga. These categories are the clear divergence both within and without the comics category tree.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
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16:39, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::* There is nothing inaccurate in the construction "Comics characters" or "Theatre characters". That the ctageory description for theatre characters starts off by saying that it's for fictional characters indicates that it's not only possible but likely that someone approaching these categories will understand that they are for fictional characters without needing to specify that in the inelegantly-constructed "Fictional characters in..." formulation.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
talk) 03:56, 18 September 2010 (UTC) Struck comment of indef-blocked sockpuppet. The nominator's opinion will be discounted in the closure decision per #3
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GaA
16:39, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
According to WP:NCC, the general convention is to use "x in comics" when it's in the created work, and "comics x" when dealing with real world people. This was done after a LOT of discussion in order to prevent confusions of various kinds.
Also, fictional is necessary, because there are characters in comics which are not fictional. - jc37 03:54, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
:: If there were articles for
Woody Allen (character) or
Bob Hope (character) then they would be categorized as fictional characters in much the same way as
Stephen Colbert (character) is. The Colbert character article resides quite happily in
Category:Marvel Comics characters. Note that it is not
Category:Fictional characters in Marvel Comics, nor are any of the sub-categories of
Category:Comics characters by company in the form of "Fictional characters in Foo comics", nor is the container category "Fictional characters in comics by company", nor are most of the sub-categories of "Fictional characters in comics" in this naming format. I addressed this already above, but it is clear that the supposed naming convention is not in widespread usage. Not that this is dispositive, but Googling "fictional character in comics" returns fewer than 8,500 hits while "comics character" returns 121,000.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
talk) 00:36, 18 September 2010 (UTC) Struck comment of indef-blocked sockpuppet. The nominator's opinion will be discounted in the closure decision per #3
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QuAz
GaA
16:39, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:::: Except that simply looking at the categories shows us that they are not named as you are claiming that they are.
Category:Comics characters by company does not follow the "convention" and neither do any of its 44 sub-cats.
Category:Comics characters by protagonist does not follow the "convention" and neither do any of its 15 sub-cats.
Category:Comics characters in other media does not follow this "convention" and neither do its two sub-cats.
Category:Comics characters debuts does not follow this "convention" and neither do any of its 11 sub-cats.
Category:Comics characters by creator does not follow this "convention" and neither do its 91 sub-cats. And on and on. Indeed, it appears that far more categories are named "Comics characters" and not "Fictional characters in comics".
:Nominator's rationale: Merge. Single-item category. I'm unfamiliar with the series and so don't know if any of its individual characters are notable. Articles for them don't exist now so the category isn't needed. No prejudice to recreation should there be a sudden explosion of River City character articles.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
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16:39, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Category:United States court of appeals judges ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
:Nominator's rationale: Delete - small category with little or no growth potential. Contents are linked through text and a navtemplate.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
talk) 21:02, 17 September 2010 (UTC) Struck comment of indef-blocked sockpuppet. The nominator's opinion will be discounted in the closure decision per #3
WP:SK.
QuAz
GaA
16:31, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:Nominator's rationale: Rename to match the parent, the child and many of the siblings in
Category:Case law by topic.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
talk) 05:25, 17 September 2010 (UTC) Struck comment of indef-blocked sockpuppet. The nominator's opinion will be discounted in the closure decision per #3
WP:SK.
QuAz
GaA
16:32, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:Nominator's rationale: Delete - the only court of appeals with its own category; doesn't appear to be needed at this time. No prejudice to re-creation should an appellate court-wide categorization scheme become useful at some point in the future.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
talk) 04:45, 17 September 2010 (UTC) Struck comment of indef-blocked sockpuppet. The nominator's opinion will be discounted in the closure decision per #3
WP:SK.
QuAz
GaA
16:34, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:* Ninth Circuit cases should be in
Category:United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit cases and not slammed willy-nilly into this category as you've been doing (and cases in which the appellate court didn't even rule should definitely not be in here).
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
talk) 21:36, 17 September 2010 (UTC) Struck comment of indef-blocked sockpuppet. The nominator's opinion will be discounted in the closure decision per #3
WP:SK.
QuAz
GaA
16:34, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
::* As I'm reviewing the cases for moving to the new sub-categories as well as a cursory review of articles in the Supreme Court cases and district court cases category, the court of last appeal is where the case is categorized. So a case that is heard at the district level and not appealed is in the district court cat, a case decided at the circuit level and not heard by the Supreme Court whether not appealed or certiorari denied goes in the appropriate Circuit Court case category and a case that was heard by the Supreme Court would go in a Supreme Court cases regardless of how the Supreme Court acts. So, since Newdow was heard and disposed of by SCOTUS it should be categorized at the SCOTUS level and not at the Circuit Court level.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
talk) 00:44, 18 September 2010 (UTC) Struck comment of indef-blocked sockpuppet. The nominator's opinion will be discounted in the closure decision per #3
WP:SK.
QuAz
GaA
16:34, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:Nominator's rationale: Rename - there are multiple Courts of Appeals in the United States so this should be pluralized. It could be a speedy rename but I thought there was a possibility it could be considered controversial.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
talk) 04:37, 17 September 2010 (UTC) Struck comment of indef-blocked sockpuppet. The nominator's opinion will be discounted in the closure decision per #3
WP:SK.
QuAz
GaA
16:35, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:Nominator's rationale: Rename - for the same reasons as the ones below, "comics characters" is more widely used and the current name is silly. I'm listing these separately because there has I think been discussion in the past as to the utility of magic user categories (specifically the witches subcategories) so there may be issues to discuss here that go beyond that required for the categories listed below. Any rename should be uniform across the two nominations.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
talk) 04:05, 17 September 2010 (UTC) Struck comment of indef-blocked sockpuppet. The nominator's opinion will be discounted in the closure decision per #3
WP:SK.
QuAz
GaA
16:36, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:::* It is absolutely not the convention that the construction "Fictional characters in..." carries down. A simple glance at
Category:Fictional characters by medium puts the lie to that idea.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
talk) 20:47, 17 September 2010 (UTC) Struck comment of indef-blocked sockpuppet. The nominator's opinion will be discounted in the closure decision per #3
WP:SK.
QuAz
GaA
16:36, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:Nominator's rationale: Rename - most of the subcats use "comics characters" and "fictional characters in comics" is quite frankly a silly construction.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
talk) 03:54, 17 September 2010 (UTC) Struck comment of indef-blocked sockpuppet. The nominator's opinion will be discounted in the closure decision per #3
WP:SK.
QuAz
GaA 16:39, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:*
User:jc37 points me to
WP:NCC regarding the naming convention but it's clear from a cursory examination of the Comics category tree that those conventions are not anywhere near any sort of standard. Also, the "convention" appears to be addressing List article names only and not category names.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
talk)
04:00, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
:* Are there a lot of articles about non-fictional characters in comics?
Category:Non-fictional characters in comics could not possibly be populated because comics characters are fictional. Since comic books are a fictional medium it is obvious that characters in comic books are fictional.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
talk) 09:05, 17 September 2010 (UTC) Struck comment of indef-blocked sockpuppet. The nominator's opinion will be discounted in the closure decision per #3
WP:SK.
QuAz
GaA
16:39, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:::* But this is not how other fictional character categories are named. We have
Category:Film characters, not
Category:Fictional characters in films.
Category:Television characters, not
Category:Fictional characters in television.
Category:Theatre characters and not
Category:Fictional characters in theatre.
Category:Anime and manga characters (directly on point) and not
Category:Fictional characters in anime and manga. These categories are the clear divergence both within and without the comics category tree.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
talk) 20:45, 17 September 2010 (UTC) Struck comment of indef-blocked sockpuppet. The nominator's opinion will be discounted in the closure decision per #3
WP:SK.
QuAz
GaA
16:39, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:::::* There is nothing inaccurate in the construction "Comics characters" or "Theatre characters". That the ctageory description for theatre characters starts off by saying that it's for fictional characters indicates that it's not only possible but likely that someone approaching these categories will understand that they are for fictional characters without needing to specify that in the inelegantly-constructed "Fictional characters in..." formulation.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
talk) 03:56, 18 September 2010 (UTC) Struck comment of indef-blocked sockpuppet. The nominator's opinion will be discounted in the closure decision per #3
WP:SK.
QuAz
GaA
16:39, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
According to WP:NCC, the general convention is to use "x in comics" when it's in the created work, and "comics x" when dealing with real world people. This was done after a LOT of discussion in order to prevent confusions of various kinds.
Also, fictional is necessary, because there are characters in comics which are not fictional. - jc37 03:54, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
:: If there were articles for
Woody Allen (character) or
Bob Hope (character) then they would be categorized as fictional characters in much the same way as
Stephen Colbert (character) is. The Colbert character article resides quite happily in
Category:Marvel Comics characters. Note that it is not
Category:Fictional characters in Marvel Comics, nor are any of the sub-categories of
Category:Comics characters by company in the form of "Fictional characters in Foo comics", nor is the container category "Fictional characters in comics by company", nor are most of the sub-categories of "Fictional characters in comics" in this naming format. I addressed this already above, but it is clear that the supposed naming convention is not in widespread usage. Not that this is dispositive, but Googling "fictional character in comics" returns fewer than 8,500 hits while "comics character" returns 121,000.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
talk) 00:36, 18 September 2010 (UTC) Struck comment of indef-blocked sockpuppet. The nominator's opinion will be discounted in the closure decision per #3
WP:SK.
QuAz
GaA
16:39, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
:::: Except that simply looking at the categories shows us that they are not named as you are claiming that they are.
Category:Comics characters by company does not follow the "convention" and neither do any of its 44 sub-cats.
Category:Comics characters by protagonist does not follow the "convention" and neither do any of its 15 sub-cats.
Category:Comics characters in other media does not follow this "convention" and neither do its two sub-cats.
Category:Comics characters debuts does not follow this "convention" and neither do any of its 11 sub-cats.
Category:Comics characters by creator does not follow this "convention" and neither do its 91 sub-cats. And on and on. Indeed, it appears that far more categories are named "Comics characters" and not "Fictional characters in comics".
:Nominator's rationale: Merge. Single-item category. I'm unfamiliar with the series and so don't know if any of its individual characters are notable. Articles for them don't exist now so the category isn't needed. No prejudice to recreation should there be a sudden explosion of River City character articles.
Are You The Cow Of Pain? (
talk) 01:45, 17 September 2010 (UTC) Struck comment of indef-blocked sockpuppet. The nominator's opinion will be discounted in the closure decision per #3
WP:SK.
QuAz
GaA
16:39, 25 September 2010 (UTC)