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Comment -- the normal solution to award categories is Listify and delete. This would be my vote, except that this will involve a deletion review since the article
Picasso Award has just been converted to a redirect to
UNESCO. Some one clearly put good work into providing a list of award winners from on-line newspaper sources, etc. So what do we do?
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Category:Uruguayan Visual Arts
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Upmerge but for a different reason; the distinction between "visual art" and other arts is usually done here by "art"=visual art, and the larger group as "arts".
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Category:Heroic bloodshed films
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Nominator's rationale: Category was just created today, and an IP is adding tons of articles on films to it. I see no point in having a category that is largely qualitative. -download׀sign!15:03, 22 October 2010 (UTC)reply
Keep, I think. If it is indeed a recognized genre, we do have categories for genres of film. There is an article on the topic. But I'll change my vote if anyone can refute this. --
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Comment. The article is well-referenced, and seems to have a consistent definition of the subgenre, a definition with an origin in a reliable source. However, that does not mean the category is necessary or justified. This is especially the case when multiple films are being added to the category without justification. No further films should be added to the category while this discussion is ongoing, and recent additions, especially non-Hong Kong films, should be removed. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive'17:48, 22 October 2010 (UTC)reply
It seems to me as a matter of consistency that all genres should be treated similarly. And I don't see why this discussion should prevent growing the category; doing so doesn't make administration of the consensus of this discussion any easier or harder. Of course, articles that don't belong in a category should be removed, everywhere on Wikipedia. The decision of justification should be made on the article talk page, but boldly adding the category is acceptable
WP:BRD. Can you justify why such unusual restrictions would be warranted here? --
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I was unclear in my comment above. What I meant to say is that the anonymous user should be discouraged from adding more films to the category, at least until he has engaged in some discussion, because he clearly does not have a good grasp of the category's definition. Simply adding films 'cause he thinks they fit is not helpful. He added numerous non-Hong Kong films to the cat., and I believe a lot of the Asian films he added are also inappropriate, as this sub-cat. refers to a specific style of action, and not every film meets the standard. Being bold does not justify incorrect categorization. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive'18:11, 22 October 2010 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. My vote has to be for deletion. While the article gives a pretty good definition of this "style," it is not a genre, per se, and is not a term in wide use amongst other critics. It is more of a sub-sub-genre, and we are better off with the article, with a short list of films that fit this specific definition, than an overpopulated category which will be nearly impossible to keep free of inappropriate films. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive'14:04, 26 October 2010 (UTC)reply
It's a style of film that is notable enough to have an article. Is the standard different for a category? And why is it more difficult to keep this category free of inappropriate films than any other similar category? --
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15:51, 26 October 2010 (UTC)reply
The definition in the article is very precise, referring to a small subset of Hong Kong action films. At this point, there are a great many articles in the category that are not appropriate, and in the future it will continue to be a catch-all for all sorts of action films, including Japanese films, which, by definition, are not appropriate. As I said above, it is better to have a short list in the article of films that meet the definition, that list will be easier to maintain.
Yeah, I get that you're saying a list is better, but I'm not sure that means it's ok to delete the category. There's nothing affirmatively wrong with having the category. None of
WP:OCAT seems to apply, no? --
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Comment – articles are categorised by 'defining characteristics', namely a property that should not be omitted from a précis. I have looked at several articles in this category, none of which even mention 'heroic bloodshed'. Several of the films mentioned in the article
heroic bloodshed do not reciprocate the mention. IMO the category should be pruned of all articles which do not mention the genre, leaving such as
Dang Bireley's and Young Gangsters which mention it prominently. (ie Keep but prune.)
Occuli (
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19:55, 1 November 2010 (UTC)reply
Keep The genre certainly exists. The nomination does provide any clear reason to delete the corersponding category. Adding articles to a category is to be expected. The objection that the category is qualitative seems feeble.
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Huh? - This is not the proper venue for such a suggestion. You are proposing an exception be added to the
WP:CSD#C1 speedy deletion criteria. I'd suggest bringing this up at
WT:CSD if you want this changed. I strongly disagree with the proposal, by the way.
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ABA 2000
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. This is not your father's ABA. Rather, it's a relatively new league with no connection to the league of Dr. J and company. I see no evidence that this league calls itself "ABA 2000" any more. The last category is functionally a delete nomination, since all teams are in
Category:American Basketball Association 2000 teams already. That one should go because we don't categorize any league's teams by when they entered.--
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Support. Nice job on these Mike. Definitely the disambiguation is needed in this case, and the expansion teams one can just be merged into the teams category, as proposed. Information on which teams are expansion and what year they joined can easily be included on the main article page.
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Category:United Football League stadiums
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Category:MLB players who have played 20 seasons
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Categorizing by
arbitrary figure. What makes a player who played 19 or 21 seasons any different than one who played 20?
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Keep. I'm not seeing a compelling reason to delete this category, policy-based or otherwise. Of the tens of thousands of blocked accounts, these users have specifically lost their privilege to edit Wikipedia, far beyond the technical measure of a simple block, and a category to coordinate and navigate through users share one of the darkest—if not the darkest—characteristics of a Wikipedian seems pretty useful to me. —
ξxplicit05:40, 2 November 2010 (UTC)reply
It seems to me that's really the kind of thing LTA or such pages are for. My statement is that we don't need the lesser-known banned users to be easily cheered by the trolling groups. I'm only saying reduce the general publicity.
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. The UK MP tree doesn't break down MPs into the party+Parliament combination. Generally, it breaks them down into a tree for party and a separate tree for Parliament. The category for MPs of this party doesn't yet exist, so I suggest that this category be renamed that, after which MPs from the party who served in different Parliaments can also be added to it. The articles in category are already in
Category:UK MPs 1979–1983, so there is no need to upmerge to that.
Good Ol’factory(talk)00:43, 1 November 2010 (UTC)reply
Rename -- The reason for this category is probably that the SPD merged with the Liberals to form the Liberal Democrats very shortly after the 1983 election, so that there will not be any sister categories for other Parliaments.
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Comment -- the normal solution to award categories is Listify and delete. This would be my vote, except that this will involve a deletion review since the article
Picasso Award has just been converted to a redirect to
UNESCO. Some one clearly put good work into providing a list of award winners from on-line newspaper sources, etc. So what do we do?
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Upmerge but for a different reason; the distinction between "visual art" and other arts is usually done here by "art"=visual art, and the larger group as "arts".
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Category:Heroic bloodshed films
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Nominator's rationale: Category was just created today, and an IP is adding tons of articles on films to it. I see no point in having a category that is largely qualitative. -download׀sign!15:03, 22 October 2010 (UTC)reply
Keep, I think. If it is indeed a recognized genre, we do have categories for genres of film. There is an article on the topic. But I'll change my vote if anyone can refute this. --
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15:12, 22 October 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment. The article is well-referenced, and seems to have a consistent definition of the subgenre, a definition with an origin in a reliable source. However, that does not mean the category is necessary or justified. This is especially the case when multiple films are being added to the category without justification. No further films should be added to the category while this discussion is ongoing, and recent additions, especially non-Hong Kong films, should be removed. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive'17:48, 22 October 2010 (UTC)reply
It seems to me as a matter of consistency that all genres should be treated similarly. And I don't see why this discussion should prevent growing the category; doing so doesn't make administration of the consensus of this discussion any easier or harder. Of course, articles that don't belong in a category should be removed, everywhere on Wikipedia. The decision of justification should be made on the article talk page, but boldly adding the category is acceptable
WP:BRD. Can you justify why such unusual restrictions would be warranted here? --
Bsherr (
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18:02, 22 October 2010 (UTC)reply
I was unclear in my comment above. What I meant to say is that the anonymous user should be discouraged from adding more films to the category, at least until he has engaged in some discussion, because he clearly does not have a good grasp of the category's definition. Simply adding films 'cause he thinks they fit is not helpful. He added numerous non-Hong Kong films to the cat., and I believe a lot of the Asian films he added are also inappropriate, as this sub-cat. refers to a specific style of action, and not every film meets the standard. Being bold does not justify incorrect categorization. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive'18:11, 22 October 2010 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. My vote has to be for deletion. While the article gives a pretty good definition of this "style," it is not a genre, per se, and is not a term in wide use amongst other critics. It is more of a sub-sub-genre, and we are better off with the article, with a short list of films that fit this specific definition, than an overpopulated category which will be nearly impossible to keep free of inappropriate films. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive'14:04, 26 October 2010 (UTC)reply
It's a style of film that is notable enough to have an article. Is the standard different for a category? And why is it more difficult to keep this category free of inappropriate films than any other similar category? --
Bsherr (
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15:51, 26 October 2010 (UTC)reply
The definition in the article is very precise, referring to a small subset of Hong Kong action films. At this point, there are a great many articles in the category that are not appropriate, and in the future it will continue to be a catch-all for all sorts of action films, including Japanese films, which, by definition, are not appropriate. As I said above, it is better to have a short list in the article of films that meet the definition, that list will be easier to maintain.
Yeah, I get that you're saying a list is better, but I'm not sure that means it's ok to delete the category. There's nothing affirmatively wrong with having the category. None of
WP:OCAT seems to apply, no? --
Bsherr (
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01:48, 27 October 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment – articles are categorised by 'defining characteristics', namely a property that should not be omitted from a précis. I have looked at several articles in this category, none of which even mention 'heroic bloodshed'. Several of the films mentioned in the article
heroic bloodshed do not reciprocate the mention. IMO the category should be pruned of all articles which do not mention the genre, leaving such as
Dang Bireley's and Young Gangsters which mention it prominently. (ie Keep but prune.)
Occuli (
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19:55, 1 November 2010 (UTC)reply
Keep The genre certainly exists. The nomination does provide any clear reason to delete the corersponding category. Adding articles to a category is to be expected. The objection that the category is qualitative seems feeble.
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Huh? - This is not the proper venue for such a suggestion. You are proposing an exception be added to the
WP:CSD#C1 speedy deletion criteria. I'd suggest bringing this up at
WT:CSD if you want this changed. I strongly disagree with the proposal, by the way.
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ABA 2000
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. This is not your father's ABA. Rather, it's a relatively new league with no connection to the league of Dr. J and company. I see no evidence that this league calls itself "ABA 2000" any more. The last category is functionally a delete nomination, since all teams are in
Category:American Basketball Association 2000 teams already. That one should go because we don't categorize any league's teams by when they entered.--
Mike Selinker (
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12:39, 1 November 2010 (UTC)reply
Support. Nice job on these Mike. Definitely the disambiguation is needed in this case, and the expansion teams one can just be merged into the teams category, as proposed. Information on which teams are expansion and what year they joined can easily be included on the main article page.
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Category:United Football League stadiums
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Category:MLB players who have played 20 seasons
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Categorizing by
arbitrary figure. What makes a player who played 19 or 21 seasons any different than one who played 20?
TM04:44, 1 November 2010 (UTC)reply
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Keep. I'm not seeing a compelling reason to delete this category, policy-based or otherwise. Of the tens of thousands of blocked accounts, these users have specifically lost their privilege to edit Wikipedia, far beyond the technical measure of a simple block, and a category to coordinate and navigate through users share one of the darkest—if not the darkest—characteristics of a Wikipedian seems pretty useful to me. —
ξxplicit05:40, 2 November 2010 (UTC)reply
It seems to me that's really the kind of thing LTA or such pages are for. My statement is that we don't need the lesser-known banned users to be easily cheered by the trolling groups. I'm only saying reduce the general publicity.
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. The UK MP tree doesn't break down MPs into the party+Parliament combination. Generally, it breaks them down into a tree for party and a separate tree for Parliament. The category for MPs of this party doesn't yet exist, so I suggest that this category be renamed that, after which MPs from the party who served in different Parliaments can also be added to it. The articles in category are already in
Category:UK MPs 1979–1983, so there is no need to upmerge to that.
Good Ol’factory(talk)00:43, 1 November 2010 (UTC)reply
Rename -- The reason for this category is probably that the SPD merged with the Liberals to form the Liberal Democrats very shortly after the 1983 election, so that there will not be any sister categories for other Parliaments.
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