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Think of it this way: If there were a category "Players of American Football Who Are Over Six Feet Tall", how would this affect the category "Canadian Players of American Football"? It wouldn't. Same thing here.
Now, it is true that the category "Players of American football by nationality" should therefore not include the category "Igbo Players of American Football", since Igbo is not a nationality. And it doesn't. If it ever did, someone has removed it.
To go further down this path: Nigeria is a political, not ethnic, entity. Properly, I suppose that "Nigerian Players of American Football" should really be "Players of American Football who are Nigerian Citizens", or something. (I'm not actually recommending this.) I would think that a person who was not born in Nigeria, has never held Nigerian citizenship, and perhaps has never even been to Nigeria cannot properly be termed "Nigerian". Yet that same person could certainly be termed Igbo if his parents are Igbo.
Now, to finish: Certainly many articles will presumably be included in both "Nigerian Players of American Football" and "Igbo Players of American Football". But of course many articles are in two or more categories. It is proper to include an article in both of these categories, as they are at the same "level" and drill up through entirely different paths.
As to the objection that "Igbo Players of American Football" is too fine a distinction and should just be upmerged to the next highest category ("Igbo Sportspeople"), that is a different issue and was not part of the rationale for the nom. If someone wants to nominate the category for upmerge based on this reason, they are free to do so. I do note that the category has 10 articles, so its not really that sparsely populated.
As a final note: it would be defensible to make that case that "Igbo Players of American Football" should (along with its other parentage) be a direct subcategory of "Players of American football" since 1) there is no "Players of American Football by Ethnicity" category to serve as a buffer between these two categories, and 2) it does seem a bit odd that "Igbo Players of American Football" does at no time devolve up to "Players of American Football". I am not making this case, as this would introduce non-parallelity to the category levels, which could be confusing to editors (although it would probably benefit readers). But if someone wants to make that case, they would have a reasonable argument. Herostratus ( talk) 17:43, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
![]() | This discussion was subject to a
deletion review on 2010 May 27. For an explanation of the process, see Wikipedia:Deletion review. |
Think of it this way: If there were a category "Players of American Football Who Are Over Six Feet Tall", how would this affect the category "Canadian Players of American Football"? It wouldn't. Same thing here.
Now, it is true that the category "Players of American football by nationality" should therefore not include the category "Igbo Players of American Football", since Igbo is not a nationality. And it doesn't. If it ever did, someone has removed it.
To go further down this path: Nigeria is a political, not ethnic, entity. Properly, I suppose that "Nigerian Players of American Football" should really be "Players of American Football who are Nigerian Citizens", or something. (I'm not actually recommending this.) I would think that a person who was not born in Nigeria, has never held Nigerian citizenship, and perhaps has never even been to Nigeria cannot properly be termed "Nigerian". Yet that same person could certainly be termed Igbo if his parents are Igbo.
Now, to finish: Certainly many articles will presumably be included in both "Nigerian Players of American Football" and "Igbo Players of American Football". But of course many articles are in two or more categories. It is proper to include an article in both of these categories, as they are at the same "level" and drill up through entirely different paths.
As to the objection that "Igbo Players of American Football" is too fine a distinction and should just be upmerged to the next highest category ("Igbo Sportspeople"), that is a different issue and was not part of the rationale for the nom. If someone wants to nominate the category for upmerge based on this reason, they are free to do so. I do note that the category has 10 articles, so its not really that sparsely populated.
As a final note: it would be defensible to make that case that "Igbo Players of American Football" should (along with its other parentage) be a direct subcategory of "Players of American football" since 1) there is no "Players of American Football by Ethnicity" category to serve as a buffer between these two categories, and 2) it does seem a bit odd that "Igbo Players of American Football" does at no time devolve up to "Players of American Football". I am not making this case, as this would introduce non-parallelity to the category levels, which could be confusing to editors (although it would probably benefit readers). But if someone wants to make that case, they would have a reasonable argument. Herostratus ( talk) 17:43, 26 May 2010 (UTC)