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Category:Soulja Boy Tell 'Em albums
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Category:Soulja Boy Tell 'Em songs
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Category:Songs written by Soulja Boy Tell 'Em
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Category:The X Factor winner's singles
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Against, much to my suprise. Of the 7 articles, 1
That's My Goal is entirely about the X Factor single and the other 6 all have a section on the X Factor single. That makes the cat defining in my mind. I'm am open to renaming it though.
RevelationDirect (
talk)
14:51, 26 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Keep This is rather a very revealing category that can introduce us to a bigger number of new winner song singles we were never aware of from many countries and in many languages. These songs are only to grow further as newer countries start X Factor series (including USA this year). Many are also almost automatic #1s, yet another significant fact. In our Anglo-centric minds, we always think that X Factor winner's songs mean the English version and controversies that come with them every Christmas. This couldn't be further from the truth. Whereas there are winner's song in many other X Factor country competitions actually and many not even near Christmas. As to the fact that most are cover versions, my reaction is so what? Almost everything the competitors sing are covers. So what's new? However, a song from an earlier artist that years later turns as a winner's song not only gives the song a longer life and a whole new perspective, it is a significant version which validates such originals in a completely new light.
werldwayd (
talk)
04:18, 1 January 2011 (UTC)reply
As additional illustration that this is not an overcategorization, here are original hits included as Winner's songs now duly categorized: "
Dove si vola" by Italian X Factor winner
Marco Mengoni, "
I've Come to Life" by German X factor winner
Edita Abdieski, "
In punta di piedi" by Italian X Factor winner
Nathalie, "
Moments" by Norwegian X Factor winner
Hans Bollandsås, "
My Dream" by Danish X Factor winner
Thomas Ring Petersen. They all sand their winner's song in a semi-final or a final of the show / series they won, then the singles were released the next day and so many of those mentioned above charted straight at #1 in their own country official charts. I am sure there are other winner's successful winner's singles like this, but we couldn't categorize them as nobody established pages for them in English. This is not just a rehash of British X Factor category that can be adequately listed in a UK banner
werldwayd (
talk)
04:59, 2 January 2011 (UTC)reply
Actually some of the songs were already there. I just added the category. Some other songs were already Wikipedia articles but in the various language Wikipedias. I just translated them to English. Some I created, not just to populate a category, but because they are significant songs that shot to #1 in their own countries. I was listening to the songs as well while creating them, another plus of this endeavour... Wikipedia is an international space and X Factor is as international as one gets. So why not the winner's songs having their own pages if they are also number ones on the charts? It just proves the point, doesn't it, that this is not such an "out of the blue" category designed for some British releases, but is a thriving category and, to my mind, a valid one. Plus that t is a great aid to a searcher. Let's say you are only aware of Shayne Ward singing "
That's My Goal" and that's all... You notice that it is a winner's song through the category on the bottom. Now a quick click later on the category, you will be led to tens of other songs of similar nature, winner's songs from X Factor from all over the world. Now that's a revelation and a whole new world opening in front of you.. It's Wikipedia magic with easy user-friendly system of getting results and learning new things. In any case, even if we lose the category, as you are proposing, we still would have won pages and pages of new articles of significant winner songs. So all's well, I guess, even if the category is gone eventually. Your move has only motivated me to make Wikipedia even richer, and this for the good of all X Factor editions that will grow and grow and grow now that it is on an onslaught to take over Idol series and bypass it by more interesting programming and talent.
werldwayd (
talk) 20:37, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
werldwayd (
talk)
05:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)reply
Clarification: For people not familiar with the series, these singles were released because the person won the competition on the show as the prize. It's not that an already famous person appeared on a talk show to promote their latest album.
RevelationDirect (
talk)
15:14, 3 January 2011 (UTC)reply
Delete. Not even mentioned in some of the articles, so it can hardly be defining. Others are songs from singers who did not win the competition, but were a finalist, or finished third, etc. Kind of a mess.
Good Ol’factory(talk)00:41, 11 January 2011 (UTC)reply
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Churches
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Oppose. The main article is
Church (building). From the dab page, this is the primary usage so one could argue that it does not need to be changed. If these are renamed, then there is going to be a need to mass rename hundreds of categories. I'm not convinced that these renames are needed. However if a rename is needed, then it should be of the form Churches (building).
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09:14, 27 December 2010 (UTC)reply
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679 Recordings
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Category:Soulja Boy Tell 'Em albums
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Category:Songs written by Soulja Boy Tell 'Em
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Category:The X Factor winner's singles
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Against, much to my suprise. Of the 7 articles, 1
That's My Goal is entirely about the X Factor single and the other 6 all have a section on the X Factor single. That makes the cat defining in my mind. I'm am open to renaming it though.
RevelationDirect (
talk)
14:51, 26 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Keep This is rather a very revealing category that can introduce us to a bigger number of new winner song singles we were never aware of from many countries and in many languages. These songs are only to grow further as newer countries start X Factor series (including USA this year). Many are also almost automatic #1s, yet another significant fact. In our Anglo-centric minds, we always think that X Factor winner's songs mean the English version and controversies that come with them every Christmas. This couldn't be further from the truth. Whereas there are winner's song in many other X Factor country competitions actually and many not even near Christmas. As to the fact that most are cover versions, my reaction is so what? Almost everything the competitors sing are covers. So what's new? However, a song from an earlier artist that years later turns as a winner's song not only gives the song a longer life and a whole new perspective, it is a significant version which validates such originals in a completely new light.
werldwayd (
talk)
04:18, 1 January 2011 (UTC)reply
As additional illustration that this is not an overcategorization, here are original hits included as Winner's songs now duly categorized: "
Dove si vola" by Italian X Factor winner
Marco Mengoni, "
I've Come to Life" by German X factor winner
Edita Abdieski, "
In punta di piedi" by Italian X Factor winner
Nathalie, "
Moments" by Norwegian X Factor winner
Hans Bollandsås, "
My Dream" by Danish X Factor winner
Thomas Ring Petersen. They all sand their winner's song in a semi-final or a final of the show / series they won, then the singles were released the next day and so many of those mentioned above charted straight at #1 in their own country official charts. I am sure there are other winner's successful winner's singles like this, but we couldn't categorize them as nobody established pages for them in English. This is not just a rehash of British X Factor category that can be adequately listed in a UK banner
werldwayd (
talk)
04:59, 2 January 2011 (UTC)reply
Actually some of the songs were already there. I just added the category. Some other songs were already Wikipedia articles but in the various language Wikipedias. I just translated them to English. Some I created, not just to populate a category, but because they are significant songs that shot to #1 in their own countries. I was listening to the songs as well while creating them, another plus of this endeavour... Wikipedia is an international space and X Factor is as international as one gets. So why not the winner's songs having their own pages if they are also number ones on the charts? It just proves the point, doesn't it, that this is not such an "out of the blue" category designed for some British releases, but is a thriving category and, to my mind, a valid one. Plus that t is a great aid to a searcher. Let's say you are only aware of Shayne Ward singing "
That's My Goal" and that's all... You notice that it is a winner's song through the category on the bottom. Now a quick click later on the category, you will be led to tens of other songs of similar nature, winner's songs from X Factor from all over the world. Now that's a revelation and a whole new world opening in front of you.. It's Wikipedia magic with easy user-friendly system of getting results and learning new things. In any case, even if we lose the category, as you are proposing, we still would have won pages and pages of new articles of significant winner songs. So all's well, I guess, even if the category is gone eventually. Your move has only motivated me to make Wikipedia even richer, and this for the good of all X Factor editions that will grow and grow and grow now that it is on an onslaught to take over Idol series and bypass it by more interesting programming and talent.
werldwayd (
talk) 20:37, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
werldwayd (
talk)
05:34, 4 January 2011 (UTC)reply
Clarification: For people not familiar with the series, these singles were released because the person won the competition on the show as the prize. It's not that an already famous person appeared on a talk show to promote their latest album.
RevelationDirect (
talk)
15:14, 3 January 2011 (UTC)reply
Delete. Not even mentioned in some of the articles, so it can hardly be defining. Others are songs from singers who did not win the competition, but were a finalist, or finished third, etc. Kind of a mess.
Good Ol’factory(talk)00:41, 11 January 2011 (UTC)reply
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Churches
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Oppose. The main article is
Church (building). From the dab page, this is the primary usage so one could argue that it does not need to be changed. If these are renamed, then there is going to be a need to mass rename hundreds of categories. I'm not convinced that these renames are needed. However if a rename is needed, then it should be of the form Churches (building).
Vegaswikian (
talk)
09:14, 27 December 2010 (UTC)reply
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