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Nominator's rationale:Upmerge as an uneeded category and per the result of
this discussion. When the only page in the category is the main article, it is not needed. If by some chance new articles surface, it can always be recreated. Tavix |
Talk 23:04, 7 May 2009 (UTC)reply
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Category:US-Canada border towns
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Nominator's rationale: Talk page discussion has identified this as an unwanted and unnecessary
WP:OCAT on a relatively minor geographic characteristic defined by an arbitrary inclusion standard ("within five miles"). For those places where an actual border crossing facility is located, this ends up duplicating an existing category,
Category:Canada-United States border crossings, for the usually separate articles on the facilities — but which also directly includes border towns whose crossing facility doesn't already have its own separate article. And for the places where there isn't an actual border crossing (e.g. Kingston), it essentially amounts to trivia since the lack of an actual border crossing means that being located near the border doesn't constitute a defining characteristic of the place. Kingston doesn't even meet the original inclusion criteria anyway: it's not on the border, but merely on the body of water in which the border is eventually located, with the entire municipality of
Frontenac Islandsseparating it from the border by a distance of more than five miles. Delete.
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. Found this doing cleanup. Is was an incomplete nomination from a different name to the current name. One editor apparently moved the contents to this name without a discussion. The proposed name follows the name of the parent article and removes the abbreviation.
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Category:Jessica Harp albums
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Nominator's rationale:Delete - small category, not needed to hold the single redirect and categorizing band album categories in a category for each member of the band is pointless and not entirely accurate.
Otto4711 (
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18:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Delete – the redirect is to
Jessica Harp which includes nothing much about the album; and indeed the Wreckers albums were recorded by the Wreckers and not by Jessica Harp solo, and are thus incorrectly subcatted.
Occuli (
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18:23, 7 May 2009 (UTC)reply
We don't need a category just to contain a single redirect. If somebody can create a real, separate, properly sourced article about the album itself by closure, then keep — and if not, then delete until a real, separate, properly sourced article about the album itself actually exists, at which time permit recreation.
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Delete - small eponymous category, not needed for the material. Lead article serves as an appropriate navigational hub.
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Category:Jessica Harp
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Delete - small eponymous category, not needed for the material. Lead article serves as an appropriate navigational hub.
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Category:Hydroelectric power plants by country
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. To be in line with other categories in power station series, including the parent directory
Category:Hydroelectric power stations. Similar discussion was held
here. If necessary, redirect may be created.
Similar categories to rename according to the same principle:
Oppose a group nomination. Outside of industry usage, in the US power plant is the common name. So at least in the US, it is not clear that these need to be renamed.
Vegaswikian (
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23:41, 29 April 2009 (UTC)reply
Comment - it is worth noting that it is a subcategory of
Category:Power stations in the United States, and every country uses the term "stations" at that level in the categorisation system. I don't see any problem with changing all of these Hydro ones to station, and thus support the rename, but if there are UK/US issues they will need to be addressed for the parent category too.
Grutness...wha?00:14, 30 April 2009 (UTC)reply
Well, the
discussion that created the US parent, was far from unanimous. A condition of that rename was to leave a redirect behind in recognition of the US difference in usage. I see no reason to rename the children when that is the more common US usage. Renaming the parent to make navigation to the US category easier when both terms are in use was not unreasonable. This proposal to rename all of the state categories goes too far in my opinion.
Vegaswikian (
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01:43, 30 April 2009 (UTC)reply
Support (for all except US), but check first I know in Australia, the two terms are completely interchangeable and the official use is Power Station. That goes for all of the Australian and New Zealand categories, but check local usage elsewhere.
Orderinchaos 09:56, 2 May 2009 (UTC) Modified
Orderinchaos09:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)reply
I grouped the Australian, Canadian and US subregions, which may make it easier if this group nom needs to be broken up.
Orderinchaos10:03, 2 May 2009 (UTC)reply
"Power stations" is the more common term here in New Zealand. The common assumption that Aussie and Kiwi English are identical isn't true.
Grutness...wha?21:43, 2 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Apologies if it seemed I'd assumed they were identical - I checked the NZ category before posting my comment, and like the Australian category, the NZ ones used "Power Stations". In this particular instance they do use the same word (although I like my mobile phones and my freeways :P)
Orderinchaos04:14, 5 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Comment. To be consistent with other power station categories, the country level headings (including the United States) should use "power station" (with redirect from the power plant named category, if necessary). However, I have nothing against if it would be decided that the U.S. states categories should use "power plant".
Beagel (
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10:37, 3 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Yeah I'm tending to think we should exclude the US categories from this particular rename - there's no harm in the subcat being different as long as they mean the same thing. i.e. The top level category contains only power "stations" even if some sublevels happen to call them power "plants".
Orderinchaos04:16, 5 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Kbdank7114:19, 7 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Note: I was going to close this as rename all except for the US ones when I noticed they still weren't tagged. This needs to be done or no work will be done. --
Kbdank7114:19, 7 May 2009 (UTC)reply
May I suggest that you strike out the US ones and note that here. Kind of a partial decision. Then if the others are not tagged...
Vegaswikian (
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18:05, 7 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Oppose This is a case of different usage between USA and most other anglophone countries. American categories can be renamed if the Americans like it. However UK (and hence all European) categories should remain as "power station", as should NZ & Australia. The parent category should follow the greatest number of subcategories, since all the US States categories will be a subcategories of a USA parent, this almost certainly measn that the parent should remain "power station".
Peterkingiron (
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23:31, 17 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Comment. If I may clarify, you actually support renaming except the categories about the U.S. states? I think that there is already consensus that U.S. states' categories remain using "plant" while there is a need to rename other countries categories "station".
Beagel (
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04:51, 18 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Comment, as per my "vote" below, "this is a case of different usage between USA and most other anglophone countries except Canada is more accurate, i.e. the US and Canadian versions are not the same as in the rest of the anglosphere. YOu do see "hydrelectric generating station" in that construction, and it's rather formal sounding and not at all colloquial, but when used with "power" the usage is pretty much "plant" as a standard, at least as far as hydro goes.
Skookum1 (
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15:21, 22 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Oppose for US categories. Other countries can speak for themselves. Power plant is universally used in the US. "Power station" sounds peculiar to an American ear.
Student7 (
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11:27, 20 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Oppose for reasons similar to previous by Student7. "Power station" is a UK-ism, unless maybe in parts of Eastern Canada where I think I've heard it - but in reference to coal plants only, maybe in ON for nuclear ? I'm here because of the British Columbia category, where "power plant" is the normal usage, even for thermal (unless in formal titles like
Burrard Thermal Generating Station, but that's not hydroelectric, and still gets referred to as "the Burrard plant" or "the Burrard power plant"). I'm from a Hydro family and was raised around powerhouses; and if we didn't say simply say "powerhouse" we said "plant" or "power plant". Canadian English for Canadian categories, essentially, ditto for the US.
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Category:El Milia Province
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Hm. good point. El Milia isn't on the list of
Provinces of Algeria, and the article you mention seems to confirm that it's just a district. In which case, unless anyone can find some reason for the suggestion that it's a province, deletion looks a better option. Mind you, it could be that this article is (even more confusingly) about the city of El Milia, which is the district capital, by the looks of it. P{erhaps deletion is still the best option, and if anyone wants to make a more coherent article on the city, they can start from scratch...
Grutness...wha?13:09, 8 May 2009 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale:Delete - following cleanup we are left with a
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Category:Current events Turkey
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. The parent category is for portals and clearly this is not a portal. The single entry is for a portal archive category, which probably does not need a parent category to list archives.
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Nominator's rationale:Upmerge as an uneeded category and per the result of
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Category:US-Canada border towns
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Nominator's rationale: Talk page discussion has identified this as an unwanted and unnecessary
WP:OCAT on a relatively minor geographic characteristic defined by an arbitrary inclusion standard ("within five miles"). For those places where an actual border crossing facility is located, this ends up duplicating an existing category,
Category:Canada-United States border crossings, for the usually separate articles on the facilities — but which also directly includes border towns whose crossing facility doesn't already have its own separate article. And for the places where there isn't an actual border crossing (e.g. Kingston), it essentially amounts to trivia since the lack of an actual border crossing means that being located near the border doesn't constitute a defining characteristic of the place. Kingston doesn't even meet the original inclusion criteria anyway: it's not on the border, but merely on the body of water in which the border is eventually located, with the entire municipality of
Frontenac Islandsseparating it from the border by a distance of more than five miles. Delete.
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. Found this doing cleanup. Is was an incomplete nomination from a different name to the current name. One editor apparently moved the contents to this name without a discussion. The proposed name follows the name of the parent article and removes the abbreviation.
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Category:Jessica Harp albums
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Nominator's rationale:Delete - small category, not needed to hold the single redirect and categorizing band album categories in a category for each member of the band is pointless and not entirely accurate.
Otto4711 (
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18:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Delete – the redirect is to
Jessica Harp which includes nothing much about the album; and indeed the Wreckers albums were recorded by the Wreckers and not by Jessica Harp solo, and are thus incorrectly subcatted.
Occuli (
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18:23, 7 May 2009 (UTC)reply
We don't need a category just to contain a single redirect. If somebody can create a real, separate, properly sourced article about the album itself by closure, then keep — and if not, then delete until a real, separate, properly sourced article about the album itself actually exists, at which time permit recreation.
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Delete - small eponymous category, not needed for the material. Lead article serves as an appropriate navigational hub.
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Delete - small eponymous category, not needed for the material. Lead article serves as an appropriate navigational hub.
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Category:Hydroelectric power plants by country
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. To be in line with other categories in power station series, including the parent directory
Category:Hydroelectric power stations. Similar discussion was held
here. If necessary, redirect may be created.
Similar categories to rename according to the same principle:
Oppose a group nomination. Outside of industry usage, in the US power plant is the common name. So at least in the US, it is not clear that these need to be renamed.
Vegaswikian (
talk)
23:41, 29 April 2009 (UTC)reply
Comment - it is worth noting that it is a subcategory of
Category:Power stations in the United States, and every country uses the term "stations" at that level in the categorisation system. I don't see any problem with changing all of these Hydro ones to station, and thus support the rename, but if there are UK/US issues they will need to be addressed for the parent category too.
Grutness...wha?00:14, 30 April 2009 (UTC)reply
Well, the
discussion that created the US parent, was far from unanimous. A condition of that rename was to leave a redirect behind in recognition of the US difference in usage. I see no reason to rename the children when that is the more common US usage. Renaming the parent to make navigation to the US category easier when both terms are in use was not unreasonable. This proposal to rename all of the state categories goes too far in my opinion.
Vegaswikian (
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01:43, 30 April 2009 (UTC)reply
Support (for all except US), but check first I know in Australia, the two terms are completely interchangeable and the official use is Power Station. That goes for all of the Australian and New Zealand categories, but check local usage elsewhere.
Orderinchaos 09:56, 2 May 2009 (UTC) Modified
Orderinchaos09:13, 8 May 2009 (UTC)reply
I grouped the Australian, Canadian and US subregions, which may make it easier if this group nom needs to be broken up.
Orderinchaos10:03, 2 May 2009 (UTC)reply
"Power stations" is the more common term here in New Zealand. The common assumption that Aussie and Kiwi English are identical isn't true.
Grutness...wha?21:43, 2 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Apologies if it seemed I'd assumed they were identical - I checked the NZ category before posting my comment, and like the Australian category, the NZ ones used "Power Stations". In this particular instance they do use the same word (although I like my mobile phones and my freeways :P)
Orderinchaos04:14, 5 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Comment. To be consistent with other power station categories, the country level headings (including the United States) should use "power station" (with redirect from the power plant named category, if necessary). However, I have nothing against if it would be decided that the U.S. states categories should use "power plant".
Beagel (
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10:37, 3 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Yeah I'm tending to think we should exclude the US categories from this particular rename - there's no harm in the subcat being different as long as they mean the same thing. i.e. The top level category contains only power "stations" even if some sublevels happen to call them power "plants".
Orderinchaos04:16, 5 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Kbdank7114:19, 7 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Note: I was going to close this as rename all except for the US ones when I noticed they still weren't tagged. This needs to be done or no work will be done. --
Kbdank7114:19, 7 May 2009 (UTC)reply
May I suggest that you strike out the US ones and note that here. Kind of a partial decision. Then if the others are not tagged...
Vegaswikian (
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18:05, 7 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Oppose This is a case of different usage between USA and most other anglophone countries. American categories can be renamed if the Americans like it. However UK (and hence all European) categories should remain as "power station", as should NZ & Australia. The parent category should follow the greatest number of subcategories, since all the US States categories will be a subcategories of a USA parent, this almost certainly measn that the parent should remain "power station".
Peterkingiron (
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23:31, 17 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Comment. If I may clarify, you actually support renaming except the categories about the U.S. states? I think that there is already consensus that U.S. states' categories remain using "plant" while there is a need to rename other countries categories "station".
Beagel (
talk)
04:51, 18 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Comment, as per my "vote" below, "this is a case of different usage between USA and most other anglophone countries except Canada is more accurate, i.e. the US and Canadian versions are not the same as in the rest of the anglosphere. YOu do see "hydrelectric generating station" in that construction, and it's rather formal sounding and not at all colloquial, but when used with "power" the usage is pretty much "plant" as a standard, at least as far as hydro goes.
Skookum1 (
talk)
15:21, 22 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Oppose for US categories. Other countries can speak for themselves. Power plant is universally used in the US. "Power station" sounds peculiar to an American ear.
Student7 (
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11:27, 20 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Oppose for reasons similar to previous by Student7. "Power station" is a UK-ism, unless maybe in parts of Eastern Canada where I think I've heard it - but in reference to coal plants only, maybe in ON for nuclear ? I'm here because of the British Columbia category, where "power plant" is the normal usage, even for thermal (unless in formal titles like
Burrard Thermal Generating Station, but that's not hydroelectric, and still gets referred to as "the Burrard plant" or "the Burrard power plant"). I'm from a Hydro family and was raised around powerhouses; and if we didn't say simply say "powerhouse" we said "plant" or "power plant". Canadian English for Canadian categories, essentially, ditto for the US.
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15:15, 22 May 2009 (UTC)reply
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Category:El Milia Province
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Hm. good point. El Milia isn't on the list of
Provinces of Algeria, and the article you mention seems to confirm that it's just a district. In which case, unless anyone can find some reason for the suggestion that it's a province, deletion looks a better option. Mind you, it could be that this article is (even more confusingly) about the city of El Milia, which is the district capital, by the looks of it. P{erhaps deletion is still the best option, and if anyone wants to make a more coherent article on the city, they can start from scratch...
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Nominator's rationale:Delete - following cleanup we are left with a
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. The parent category is for portals and clearly this is not a portal. The single entry is for a portal archive category, which probably does not need a parent category to list archives.
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