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Greek Revival buildings

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The result of the discussion was: rename, but not upmerging Category:Greek Revival architecture in the United States by state. Only two users mentioned this and they disagreed, so I suggest a nomination focused on this one category if deletion is still considered appropriate; the proposal to upmerge this category may have just been overlooked. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:51, 8 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Propose upmerging Category:Greek Revival buildings in the United States by state ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose renaming
Nominator's rationale: As with the discussion on Gothic Revival building categories, the broader "architecture" is preferable ("buildings and structures" is more commonly applied to categories about the type of building or structure, whereas "architecture" categorizes them by era and style). Based on the way similar architectural style branches are developing, I think the "by state" layer is unneeded but that there is plenty of growth to be had for all of the state-level subcats, which also addresses issues raised in Feb 2007.- choster ( talk) 23:40, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • I deliberately excluded that cat as it will almost certainly be completely depopulated after a thorough cleanup— no need to move all the articles from one cat to another only to move them again to a third a few days later.- choster ( talk) 16:13, 31 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Saturday morning television

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The result of the discussion was: delete/merge as nominated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:54, 8 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Propose deleting :
Propose merging :
Nominator's rationale: Delete as overcategorisation. Television schedulers do try to understand the different characteristics of their potential audiences in different timeslots, and have many different segments, but that does mean that it is appropriate to categorise TV programs according to which of these slots they occupy. I can see no argument for retaining this category which could not equally well be applied to sunday mornings, saturday afternoons, saturday evenings, sunday afternoons and evening, friday evenings, and so on ... but if we go down this path, we will clutter TV programmes with narrow categories related to the timeslot in which they are broadcast. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 20:38, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Category:American LGBT Jews

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. Jafeluv ( talk) 14:58, 13 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Suggest merging Category:American LGBT Jews to Category:LGBT Jews and Category:American Jews
Nominator's rationale: Merge. A triple intersection between nationality, religion/ethncity, and sexuality. This fails the requirement of WP:CATGRS that such a category shoukd be created only when an encyclopedic article could be written on the topic, and see no evidence that "American LGBT Jews" is a distinct topic from "LGBT Jews". -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 19:52, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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College men's basketball head coaches by team in the United States

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The result of the discussion was: Upmerge all. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:51, 1 February 2010 (UTC) reply
Propose deleting: Category:College men's basketball head coaches by team in the United States ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose merging
List of 206 categories to be upmerged
Empty categories already tagged for speedy deletion:
Nominator's rationale: Overclassification per WP:OC#SMALL, because most of these categories will never have more than a few entries. A short list of head coaches can easily be included in the article on each team. --- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 19:24, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
I guess we should delete these categories since that guy is obvious moron, just on that alone-- Levineps ( talk) 19:33, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
Please refrain from making such facetious comments. They are not constructive contributions here, and they only serve to indicate that you are still not taking the problems seriously that were raised at the AN/I and unanimously confirmed by the community. postdlf ( talk) 19:43, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as over-categorisation. Kittybrewster ☎ 20:10, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Keep All Being a head coach is a defining characteristic and lumping them all with other coaches loses a great deal of useful information for navigation purposes. I understand the issues involved in challenging the powers-that-be, and this appears to be a knee-jerk decision by BrownHairedGirl to oppose anything created by the editor in question regardless of its clear utility and benefit to the project. Alansohn ( talk) 22:14, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
    • You mischaracterize her proposal, under which head coaches would be grouped together with other coaches by team, but also together in Category:College men's basketball head coaches in the United States, so that "defining characteristic" would not be lost. The argument is that segregation of the head coaches by team split up what were already small categories, spreading the head coaches in near-isolation in sparsely-populated categories. You may reasonably disagree with that (I don't have a position yet myself), but regardless your characterization of BHG and her motivation here is extremely inappropriate, particularly given that other editors have criticized these categories on the creator's talk page and elsewhere. postdlf ( talk) 22:31, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
      • (ec) Alansohn, that assumption of bad faith is both uncivil and wrong: my reasons for nominating these categories are as set out in the nomination, that they are all small and will remain small.
        Back to the substance of the discussion: what exactly is the "great deal of useful information for navigation purposes" which you believe will be lost by an upmerger? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:34, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • upmerge all per nom; delete the empties. Putting aside the creator issue for a moment, this is objectively overcategorization. All the coaches should be grouped together; we don't want to slice these into assistant coaches, head coaches, defence coaches, etc. because it creates overly small categories and makes category navigation more tedious. Going back to the creator issue, this is a fine example of what everyone has been talking about at the ANI, and hopefully the situation will resolve itself soon. The completion of this nomination is an inspiring job, BTW. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:22, 31 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Upmerge all per nominator. Debresser ( talk) 07:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Upmerge all. This parallels what we do with players, generalizing by team and specifying by position, but not both in the same category.-- Mike Selinker ( talk) 19:26, 3 January 2010 (UTC) reply
    • It is rare that someone would be interested in finding, for instance, all of the point guards who played at North Carolina, but there are many reasons why someone would be interested in finding all of the head coaches for that program over the years, or all of the assistant coaches, many of which (as at other successful programs) later went on to be notable head coaches, with the assistant coaching position at a good school as a launching pad. It is probably frequent that someone would be inclined to view a list of head coaches or assistant coaches only for a certain program, for reasons including seeing quickly a list of coaching progeny produced by a program's head coaches. LanternLight ( talk) 04:52, 4 January 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Strong Keep, All. For the two examples you cite, Dayton and Central Missouri, you state "most of these categories will never have more than a few entries." I'm not sure that is accurate. Do you know how many head coaches Dayton, for example, has had over the years? Do you know how many head coaches at that school or elsewhere are notable and will likely have their own article at some point? Do you know how many coaches at any of these schools, assistants included, are (or in future will be) notable? I think not, as you state "most of these categories will never have more than a few entries" which I think is inaccurate save for the admission - both fairly and accurately on your part - that at least some (an underestimate, probably) do already have more than a few entries. Further review of the many categories you raise here will show that many of them have many entries, and for those, there's good reason to differentiate between head coaches and assistants: people navigating through those categories will often be doing so while researching the history of a program, the lineage of various programs' coaching progeny, etc. Look at the categories you mention above under just the letter K for instance. For those and others it will make sense to differentiate between head coaches and assistants. There's no reason to delete those categories indiscriminately. I think some here might be surprised at how often these categories are used by sports fans for quick reference for multiple associated articles, and I'd ask that such utility not be impeded, especially with one broad stroke across the board instead of only to those categories to which the rationale set forth in the initial proposal applies. LanternLight ( talk) 04:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC) reply
    • Reply. You are assuming that every single head coach for every single team will be notable, which seems unlikely, and that each team will also have squillions of notable assistant coaches, which seems even more unlikely (unless somebody had written one of those exceptions to the notability guidelines to make eveyone connected with a baseball club automatically notable). Why not just use a list of head coaches for each team, in the team's coaches category and create a navigation template between the coaches? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 05:36, 4 January 2010 (UTC) reply
      • I make no such assumption. But I am certain that there are many articles out there for whch the subject's service as a head coach at one school or as an assistant coach at another school is notable and interesting, and I am certain that there are many instances in which people find navigating by those categories to be helpful. I also don't see why all of the 200+ categories ought to be deleted when many of them are very useful, and have significant numbers of included articles. LanternLight ( talk) 05:44, 4 January 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Upmerge all per nominator. Is this a quadrupal interstion? OCAT. While being a head coach can be important, I don't believe that being the head coach of any and every team is defining. With the upmerge nothing is really lost since the articles are still listed by head coach and by school. Not overriding reason why we need to do this lower level breakdown for college teams. It seems that the keep arguments are saying we need to keep these articles since that aspect is defining. Note that the upmerge still leaves these people in the head coach category. Are we are doing is removing the by school groupings which are the OCAT. So I don't see how the upmerge is against the arguments for keeping. Vegaswikian ( talk) 20:21, 30 January 2010 (UTC) reply
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Category:Baltimore Bullets scouts

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:13, 25 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Baltimore Bullets scouts ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Overclassification. Kittybrewster ☎ 12:59, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Category:Milwaukee Bucks owners

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The result of the discussion was: Merge into Category:National Basketball Association owners. Jafeluv ( talk) 12:10, 29 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Milwaukee Bucks owners ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Overclassification. Kittybrewster ☎ 12:58, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
Many other teams in the NBA and other sports have an owners page.-- Levineps ( talk) 13:20, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
So? WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Vegaswikian ( talk) 02:52, 31 December 2009 (UTC) reply
Oh? You usually call that "Part of an existing category structure". So please don't talk down to somebody who says the same thing in simpler words. Debresser ( talk) 07:21, 1 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Well, these were all just created and the editor that created them was banned from having anything to do with categories. Part of the reason was creating categories that were excessive. You can read the sanction summary if you want details. Vegaswikian ( talk) 07:58, 3 January 2010 (UTC) reply
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Category:Detroit Shock executives

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The result of the discussion was: Merge into parent categories. Jafeluv ( talk) 15:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Detroit Shock executives ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Overclassification. Kittybrewster ☎ 12:57, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Category:Jewish American rappers

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge to Category:Jewish American musicians, Category:American rappers and Category:Jewish rappers. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:19, 12 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Jewish American rappers ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Overclassification. Kittybrewster ☎ 12:56, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Category:Jewish American atheists

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The result of the discussion was: Merge into Category:American atheists and Category:Jewish atheists. Jafeluv ( talk) 12:13, 29 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Jewish American atheists ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Too strange. Very vague. Kittybrewster ☎ 12:54, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  1. First, is this just a group of Jewish Americans who happen to be atheists, making this an arbitrary intersection of two unrelated characteristics, or are their Jewish Americanism [sic] and atheism substantially related and connected? The answer to that may be complicated given the dual nature of Jewishness as an ethnicity and a religion.
  2. Second, will the existence of this category segregate these individuals either within either of the category structures that intersect here? In other words, will they only be categorized as Jewish Americans through their atheism, and will they only be categorized as atheists through their Jewish Americanism? Some may view the solution to that as permitting nonexclusive categorization, such as putting an individual in both this category and Category:American atheists. If that's to be the solution, it should be noted that the category creator removed all such categories he considered "redundant" when populating this one, all of which should be reviewed in any event given that editor's ban from edits category space. postdlf ( talk) 17:34, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Category:Historical events occurring near Christmastime

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Jafeluv ( talk) 15:10, 13 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Historical events occurring near Christmastime ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Kind of a vague, flexible category. What is "near Christmastime"? (Judging by the store displays at Wal-Mart when I lived in the U.S. and Canada, I think it begins shortly after Labor Day.) For that matter, what is "Christmastime"? Dec. 25 only? Dec. 25 plus the day before and day after? Give or take 3 days, or a week? Or does it go all the way to Epiphany? What about the "orthodox Christmas" issue? Do things happening around January 6/7 work for this category if it happened in an "orthodox" country? Do we categorize everything that happened on December 25 into this category? It seems that this is why we have the articles December 25 and those for the other days in December and January. How does "near" fit into how we define the date range? ... (I could go on, but I would, as usual, be belabouring the point.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 11:52, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Category:Presidents of Georgia Alliance of African American Attorneys

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:52, 8 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Presidents of Georgia Alliance of African American Attorneys ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete: The list in the category text is already in the main article. Further, none of these people appear to have articles to add to this category, resulting in a one-article category. Bradjamesbrown ( talk) 10:46, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
That is no sufficient reason for deletion in and of itself. Debresser ( talk) 07:12, 1 January 2010 (UTC) reply
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Category:Ngo Dinh Diem

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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (self-close). My concerns were taken care of by moving the article to the non-diacritical form. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:39, 1 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Propose renaming Category:Ngo Dinh Diem to Category:Ngô Đình Diệm
Nominator's rationale: Debate. This is more of a "test case"-type debate I want to see than anything else. I'm confused with how we treat diacritics in category names. The main article is at Ngô Đình Diệm; the category is without diacritics. So, in a situation like this: (1) do we add the diacritics to the category?; (1a) if no, why not?; (2) if no, does that mean we should be removing diacritics from other categories that have them? (2a) if no, why not? And if the answers to (1) and (2) are both "no": (3) how do we reconcile this? Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:57, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
Copy of initial discussion at speedy rename section (where rename was opposed)
  • Rename per nom, but recreate as a category redirect. We decided ( discussion) that "appropriate conversion of hyphens into en-dashes or vice versa" should be performed and even codified it as a speedy renaming criterion. I can't think of a good reason for us not to apply the same principle to a different special character, though I will state that I have reservations about making "appropriate conversions into titles with diacritics" a speedy renaming criterion (mostly so that issues involving romanisation and diacritics in native-language spelling versus common English usage can receive full discussion). A few months ago, I probably would have opposed this proposed change; however, I am content to follow the consensus reached in the linked discussion. – BLACK FALCON ( TALK) 09:20, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Opposed as impossible to type. A category redirect could be placed in reverse, so if anyone copied the article title it'll still work, but I don't think diacritics in categories are necessary. Bradjamesbrown ( talk) 11:54, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
    • You answered (1) and (1a); can you also answer (2), (2a), and (3)? I'm not challenging you, I'm just curious as how we work this more globally. Good Ol’factory (talk) 11:59, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
      • Why not just create the category redirects from the plain version when the diacritics are used; from the diacritics version when the plain version is used, and just accept that the status quo is logically inconsistent. Changing all these really strikes me as more work than it is worth, when category redirects can be used to achieve the benefits of both the accuracy of diacritics, and the ease of not having to deal with them. That way the whole question becomes a non-issue to editors and a bot will do all the work once the system is set up. Bradjamesbrown ( talk) 12:26, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Support Rename to match full title of parent article, with a redirect available. Alansohn ( talk) 15:57, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • do not rename for the reasons above: impossible to type in searches, in links etc. Useless time wasting to copy and paste. Create any redirects to this as needed. This should be done for all such similar situations: this is an English encyclopedia using 'English' alphabet; should go in the MOS if not already there. Hmains ( talk) 05:18, 31 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Category:Dance disambiguation pages

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:46, 9 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Dance disambiguation pages ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: -- Delete. Disambiguation pages do not need, and generally cannot be categorised. All dab pages are categorised in Category:Disambiguation pages. -- Alan Liefting ( talk) - 08:51, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom as superfluous category, because I can see no navigational benefit to readers in having a category of disambiguation pages. WikiProjects sometimes categorise disambiguation pages within their area of interest, but such categorisation is applied to talk pages, not to articles, and is generated through the WikiProject banners, so there is no easy way to merge this category to Category:Disambig-Class Dance articles. I will notify WP:DANCE of this discussion. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 20:01, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Category:Ballet disambiguation pages

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:47, 9 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Ballet disambiguation pages ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Disambiguation pages do not need, and generally cannot be categorised. All dab pages are categorised in Category:Disambiguation pages. -- Alan Liefting ( talk) - 08:49, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom as superfluous category, because I can see no navigational benefit to readers in having a category of disambiguation pages. WikiProjects sometimes categorise disambiguation pages within their area of interest, but such categorisation is applied to talk pages, not to articles, and is generated through the WikiProject banners, so there is no easy way to merge this category to Category:Disambig-Class ballet articles. I will notify WP:DANCE of this discussion. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 20:01, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Category:Prince protégés

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Jafeluv ( talk) 15:12, 13 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Prince protégés ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Kind of like a "students of ..." category. We generally don't categorize people (or groups) by mentoring relationship or connection to a notable person. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:51, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Delete If all the artists were notable primarily for their association with Prince— and indeed the category charter specifies those "mentored" by him— I don't think it would be unreasonable. In practice, however, it is difficult to distinguish "influence" from "inspiration" from "association" from "collaboration" from "tutelage" from "mentorship," and indeed the contents of the category seem to include any artist who has ever worked with him on anything at any time. So I would list the truly intrinsically tied articles like The New Power Generation directly in the parent, and remove the category from the others.- choster ( talk) 18:23, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. There is no clear definition of "protégé", so this category fails WP:OC#SUBJECTIVE, and it is unclear what degree of association would be defining for the people who might be include in this category. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 20:07, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nominator and the girl with the brown hairs (do you have nice brown eyes also?). Debresser ( talk) 07:09, 1 January 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Rename to Category:Minneapolis sound artists. Here's another possibility. Since all these artists are part of the Minneapolis sound style created by Prince, we can unite them by that. And then Prince can be in the category too. If deletion is endorsed on the very reasonable grounds that Prince's proteges shouldn't be categorized that way, I'd like to create the Minneapolis sound category, and it would be much easier to do as a rename from this existing category.-- Mike Selinker ( talk) 19:33, 3 January 2010 (UTC) reply
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Category:Post-disco

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:48, 9 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Post-disco ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Post-disco music
Category:Post-disco musicians
Category:Post-disco groups
Category:Post-disco albums
Category:Post-disco songs
Nominator's rationale: Delete all. "Categorizations should generally be uncontroversial; if the category's topic is likely to spark controversy then a list article is likely to be more appropriate." I believe the controversy of the topic as shown in this AfD proves that categorization is not the right way to go here. The genre is suspect as are many of the inclusions within this category. Wolfer68 ( talk) 04:50, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Category:Edgar Degas

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus. The category may be deleted later if an acceptable method for navigation is worked out. Ruslik_ Zero 13:08, 30 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Edgar Degas ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Unless populated, only creates an extra level of categorization before Category:Works by Edgar Degas is reached. Either populate with non-works articles or delete. I'm not sure what it could be populated with, otherwise I would do it. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:31, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Category:Presidents of the Swazi Senate

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:45, 7 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Propose renaming Category:Presidents of the Swazi Senate to Category:Presidents of the Senate of Swaziland
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Propose renaming to match main articles Senate of Swaziland and List of Presidents of the Senate of Swaziland. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:20, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Greek Revival buildings

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The result of the discussion was: rename, but not upmerging Category:Greek Revival architecture in the United States by state. Only two users mentioned this and they disagreed, so I suggest a nomination focused on this one category if deletion is still considered appropriate; the proposal to upmerge this category may have just been overlooked. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:51, 8 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Propose upmerging Category:Greek Revival buildings in the United States by state ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose renaming
Nominator's rationale: As with the discussion on Gothic Revival building categories, the broader "architecture" is preferable ("buildings and structures" is more commonly applied to categories about the type of building or structure, whereas "architecture" categorizes them by era and style). Based on the way similar architectural style branches are developing, I think the "by state" layer is unneeded but that there is plenty of growth to be had for all of the state-level subcats, which also addresses issues raised in Feb 2007.- choster ( talk) 23:40, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • I deliberately excluded that cat as it will almost certainly be completely depopulated after a thorough cleanup— no need to move all the articles from one cat to another only to move them again to a third a few days later.- choster ( talk) 16:13, 31 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Saturday morning television

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The result of the discussion was: delete/merge as nominated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:54, 8 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Propose deleting :
Propose merging :
Nominator's rationale: Delete as overcategorisation. Television schedulers do try to understand the different characteristics of their potential audiences in different timeslots, and have many different segments, but that does mean that it is appropriate to categorise TV programs according to which of these slots they occupy. I can see no argument for retaining this category which could not equally well be applied to sunday mornings, saturday afternoons, saturday evenings, sunday afternoons and evening, friday evenings, and so on ... but if we go down this path, we will clutter TV programmes with narrow categories related to the timeslot in which they are broadcast. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 20:38, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Category:American LGBT Jews

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. Jafeluv ( talk) 14:58, 13 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Suggest merging Category:American LGBT Jews to Category:LGBT Jews and Category:American Jews
Nominator's rationale: Merge. A triple intersection between nationality, religion/ethncity, and sexuality. This fails the requirement of WP:CATGRS that such a category shoukd be created only when an encyclopedic article could be written on the topic, and see no evidence that "American LGBT Jews" is a distinct topic from "LGBT Jews". -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 19:52, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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College men's basketball head coaches by team in the United States

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The result of the discussion was: Upmerge all. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:51, 1 February 2010 (UTC) reply
Propose deleting: Category:College men's basketball head coaches by team in the United States ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose merging
List of 206 categories to be upmerged
Empty categories already tagged for speedy deletion:
Nominator's rationale: Overclassification per WP:OC#SMALL, because most of these categories will never have more than a few entries. A short list of head coaches can easily be included in the article on each team. --- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 19:24, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
I guess we should delete these categories since that guy is obvious moron, just on that alone-- Levineps ( talk) 19:33, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
Please refrain from making such facetious comments. They are not constructive contributions here, and they only serve to indicate that you are still not taking the problems seriously that were raised at the AN/I and unanimously confirmed by the community. postdlf ( talk) 19:43, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as over-categorisation. Kittybrewster ☎ 20:10, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Keep All Being a head coach is a defining characteristic and lumping them all with other coaches loses a great deal of useful information for navigation purposes. I understand the issues involved in challenging the powers-that-be, and this appears to be a knee-jerk decision by BrownHairedGirl to oppose anything created by the editor in question regardless of its clear utility and benefit to the project. Alansohn ( talk) 22:14, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
    • You mischaracterize her proposal, under which head coaches would be grouped together with other coaches by team, but also together in Category:College men's basketball head coaches in the United States, so that "defining characteristic" would not be lost. The argument is that segregation of the head coaches by team split up what were already small categories, spreading the head coaches in near-isolation in sparsely-populated categories. You may reasonably disagree with that (I don't have a position yet myself), but regardless your characterization of BHG and her motivation here is extremely inappropriate, particularly given that other editors have criticized these categories on the creator's talk page and elsewhere. postdlf ( talk) 22:31, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
      • (ec) Alansohn, that assumption of bad faith is both uncivil and wrong: my reasons for nominating these categories are as set out in the nomination, that they are all small and will remain small.
        Back to the substance of the discussion: what exactly is the "great deal of useful information for navigation purposes" which you believe will be lost by an upmerger? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:34, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • upmerge all per nom; delete the empties. Putting aside the creator issue for a moment, this is objectively overcategorization. All the coaches should be grouped together; we don't want to slice these into assistant coaches, head coaches, defence coaches, etc. because it creates overly small categories and makes category navigation more tedious. Going back to the creator issue, this is a fine example of what everyone has been talking about at the ANI, and hopefully the situation will resolve itself soon. The completion of this nomination is an inspiring job, BTW. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:22, 31 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Upmerge all per nominator. Debresser ( talk) 07:29, 1 January 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Upmerge all. This parallels what we do with players, generalizing by team and specifying by position, but not both in the same category.-- Mike Selinker ( talk) 19:26, 3 January 2010 (UTC) reply
    • It is rare that someone would be interested in finding, for instance, all of the point guards who played at North Carolina, but there are many reasons why someone would be interested in finding all of the head coaches for that program over the years, or all of the assistant coaches, many of which (as at other successful programs) later went on to be notable head coaches, with the assistant coaching position at a good school as a launching pad. It is probably frequent that someone would be inclined to view a list of head coaches or assistant coaches only for a certain program, for reasons including seeing quickly a list of coaching progeny produced by a program's head coaches. LanternLight ( talk) 04:52, 4 January 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Strong Keep, All. For the two examples you cite, Dayton and Central Missouri, you state "most of these categories will never have more than a few entries." I'm not sure that is accurate. Do you know how many head coaches Dayton, for example, has had over the years? Do you know how many head coaches at that school or elsewhere are notable and will likely have their own article at some point? Do you know how many coaches at any of these schools, assistants included, are (or in future will be) notable? I think not, as you state "most of these categories will never have more than a few entries" which I think is inaccurate save for the admission - both fairly and accurately on your part - that at least some (an underestimate, probably) do already have more than a few entries. Further review of the many categories you raise here will show that many of them have many entries, and for those, there's good reason to differentiate between head coaches and assistants: people navigating through those categories will often be doing so while researching the history of a program, the lineage of various programs' coaching progeny, etc. Look at the categories you mention above under just the letter K for instance. For those and others it will make sense to differentiate between head coaches and assistants. There's no reason to delete those categories indiscriminately. I think some here might be surprised at how often these categories are used by sports fans for quick reference for multiple associated articles, and I'd ask that such utility not be impeded, especially with one broad stroke across the board instead of only to those categories to which the rationale set forth in the initial proposal applies. LanternLight ( talk) 04:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC) reply
    • Reply. You are assuming that every single head coach for every single team will be notable, which seems unlikely, and that each team will also have squillions of notable assistant coaches, which seems even more unlikely (unless somebody had written one of those exceptions to the notability guidelines to make eveyone connected with a baseball club automatically notable). Why not just use a list of head coaches for each team, in the team's coaches category and create a navigation template between the coaches? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 05:36, 4 January 2010 (UTC) reply
      • I make no such assumption. But I am certain that there are many articles out there for whch the subject's service as a head coach at one school or as an assistant coach at another school is notable and interesting, and I am certain that there are many instances in which people find navigating by those categories to be helpful. I also don't see why all of the 200+ categories ought to be deleted when many of them are very useful, and have significant numbers of included articles. LanternLight ( talk) 05:44, 4 January 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Upmerge all per nominator. Is this a quadrupal interstion? OCAT. While being a head coach can be important, I don't believe that being the head coach of any and every team is defining. With the upmerge nothing is really lost since the articles are still listed by head coach and by school. Not overriding reason why we need to do this lower level breakdown for college teams. It seems that the keep arguments are saying we need to keep these articles since that aspect is defining. Note that the upmerge still leaves these people in the head coach category. Are we are doing is removing the by school groupings which are the OCAT. So I don't see how the upmerge is against the arguments for keeping. Vegaswikian ( talk) 20:21, 30 January 2010 (UTC) reply
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Category:Baltimore Bullets scouts

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:13, 25 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Baltimore Bullets scouts ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Overclassification. Kittybrewster ☎ 12:59, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Category:Milwaukee Bucks owners

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The result of the discussion was: Merge into Category:National Basketball Association owners. Jafeluv ( talk) 12:10, 29 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Milwaukee Bucks owners ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Overclassification. Kittybrewster ☎ 12:58, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
Many other teams in the NBA and other sports have an owners page.-- Levineps ( talk) 13:20, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
So? WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Vegaswikian ( talk) 02:52, 31 December 2009 (UTC) reply
Oh? You usually call that "Part of an existing category structure". So please don't talk down to somebody who says the same thing in simpler words. Debresser ( talk) 07:21, 1 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Well, these were all just created and the editor that created them was banned from having anything to do with categories. Part of the reason was creating categories that were excessive. You can read the sanction summary if you want details. Vegaswikian ( talk) 07:58, 3 January 2010 (UTC) reply
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Category:Detroit Shock executives

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The result of the discussion was: Merge into parent categories. Jafeluv ( talk) 15:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Detroit Shock executives ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Overclassification. Kittybrewster ☎ 12:57, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Category:Jewish American rappers

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The result of the discussion was: upmerge to Category:Jewish American musicians, Category:American rappers and Category:Jewish rappers. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:19, 12 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Jewish American rappers ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Overclassification. Kittybrewster ☎ 12:56, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Category:Jewish American atheists

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The result of the discussion was: Merge into Category:American atheists and Category:Jewish atheists. Jafeluv ( talk) 12:13, 29 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Jewish American atheists ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Too strange. Very vague. Kittybrewster ☎ 12:54, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  1. First, is this just a group of Jewish Americans who happen to be atheists, making this an arbitrary intersection of two unrelated characteristics, or are their Jewish Americanism [sic] and atheism substantially related and connected? The answer to that may be complicated given the dual nature of Jewishness as an ethnicity and a religion.
  2. Second, will the existence of this category segregate these individuals either within either of the category structures that intersect here? In other words, will they only be categorized as Jewish Americans through their atheism, and will they only be categorized as atheists through their Jewish Americanism? Some may view the solution to that as permitting nonexclusive categorization, such as putting an individual in both this category and Category:American atheists. If that's to be the solution, it should be noted that the category creator removed all such categories he considered "redundant" when populating this one, all of which should be reviewed in any event given that editor's ban from edits category space. postdlf ( talk) 17:34, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Category:Historical events occurring near Christmastime

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Jafeluv ( talk) 15:10, 13 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Historical events occurring near Christmastime ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Kind of a vague, flexible category. What is "near Christmastime"? (Judging by the store displays at Wal-Mart when I lived in the U.S. and Canada, I think it begins shortly after Labor Day.) For that matter, what is "Christmastime"? Dec. 25 only? Dec. 25 plus the day before and day after? Give or take 3 days, or a week? Or does it go all the way to Epiphany? What about the "orthodox Christmas" issue? Do things happening around January 6/7 work for this category if it happened in an "orthodox" country? Do we categorize everything that happened on December 25 into this category? It seems that this is why we have the articles December 25 and those for the other days in December and January. How does "near" fit into how we define the date range? ... (I could go on, but I would, as usual, be belabouring the point.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 11:52, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Category:Presidents of Georgia Alliance of African American Attorneys

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:52, 8 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Presidents of Georgia Alliance of African American Attorneys ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete: The list in the category text is already in the main article. Further, none of these people appear to have articles to add to this category, resulting in a one-article category. Bradjamesbrown ( talk) 10:46, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
That is no sufficient reason for deletion in and of itself. Debresser ( talk) 07:12, 1 January 2010 (UTC) reply
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Category:Ngo Dinh Diem

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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (self-close). My concerns were taken care of by moving the article to the non-diacritical form. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:39, 1 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Propose renaming Category:Ngo Dinh Diem to Category:Ngô Đình Diệm
Nominator's rationale: Debate. This is more of a "test case"-type debate I want to see than anything else. I'm confused with how we treat diacritics in category names. The main article is at Ngô Đình Diệm; the category is without diacritics. So, in a situation like this: (1) do we add the diacritics to the category?; (1a) if no, why not?; (2) if no, does that mean we should be removing diacritics from other categories that have them? (2a) if no, why not? And if the answers to (1) and (2) are both "no": (3) how do we reconcile this? Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:57, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
Copy of initial discussion at speedy rename section (where rename was opposed)
  • Rename per nom, but recreate as a category redirect. We decided ( discussion) that "appropriate conversion of hyphens into en-dashes or vice versa" should be performed and even codified it as a speedy renaming criterion. I can't think of a good reason for us not to apply the same principle to a different special character, though I will state that I have reservations about making "appropriate conversions into titles with diacritics" a speedy renaming criterion (mostly so that issues involving romanisation and diacritics in native-language spelling versus common English usage can receive full discussion). A few months ago, I probably would have opposed this proposed change; however, I am content to follow the consensus reached in the linked discussion. – BLACK FALCON ( TALK) 09:20, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Opposed as impossible to type. A category redirect could be placed in reverse, so if anyone copied the article title it'll still work, but I don't think diacritics in categories are necessary. Bradjamesbrown ( talk) 11:54, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
    • You answered (1) and (1a); can you also answer (2), (2a), and (3)? I'm not challenging you, I'm just curious as how we work this more globally. Good Ol’factory (talk) 11:59, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
      • Why not just create the category redirects from the plain version when the diacritics are used; from the diacritics version when the plain version is used, and just accept that the status quo is logically inconsistent. Changing all these really strikes me as more work than it is worth, when category redirects can be used to achieve the benefits of both the accuracy of diacritics, and the ease of not having to deal with them. That way the whole question becomes a non-issue to editors and a bot will do all the work once the system is set up. Bradjamesbrown ( talk) 12:26, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Support Rename to match full title of parent article, with a redirect available. Alansohn ( talk) 15:57, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • do not rename for the reasons above: impossible to type in searches, in links etc. Useless time wasting to copy and paste. Create any redirects to this as needed. This should be done for all such similar situations: this is an English encyclopedia using 'English' alphabet; should go in the MOS if not already there. Hmains ( talk) 05:18, 31 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Category:Dance disambiguation pages

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:46, 9 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Dance disambiguation pages ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: -- Delete. Disambiguation pages do not need, and generally cannot be categorised. All dab pages are categorised in Category:Disambiguation pages. -- Alan Liefting ( talk) - 08:51, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom as superfluous category, because I can see no navigational benefit to readers in having a category of disambiguation pages. WikiProjects sometimes categorise disambiguation pages within their area of interest, but such categorisation is applied to talk pages, not to articles, and is generated through the WikiProject banners, so there is no easy way to merge this category to Category:Disambig-Class Dance articles. I will notify WP:DANCE of this discussion. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 20:01, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Category:Ballet disambiguation pages

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:47, 9 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Ballet disambiguation pages ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Disambiguation pages do not need, and generally cannot be categorised. All dab pages are categorised in Category:Disambiguation pages. -- Alan Liefting ( talk) - 08:49, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom as superfluous category, because I can see no navigational benefit to readers in having a category of disambiguation pages. WikiProjects sometimes categorise disambiguation pages within their area of interest, but such categorisation is applied to talk pages, not to articles, and is generated through the WikiProject banners, so there is no easy way to merge this category to Category:Disambig-Class ballet articles. I will notify WP:DANCE of this discussion. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 20:01, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Category:Prince protégés

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Jafeluv ( talk) 15:12, 13 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Prince protégés ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Kind of like a "students of ..." category. We generally don't categorize people (or groups) by mentoring relationship or connection to a notable person. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:51, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Delete If all the artists were notable primarily for their association with Prince— and indeed the category charter specifies those "mentored" by him— I don't think it would be unreasonable. In practice, however, it is difficult to distinguish "influence" from "inspiration" from "association" from "collaboration" from "tutelage" from "mentorship," and indeed the contents of the category seem to include any artist who has ever worked with him on anything at any time. So I would list the truly intrinsically tied articles like The New Power Generation directly in the parent, and remove the category from the others.- choster ( talk) 18:23, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nom. There is no clear definition of "protégé", so this category fails WP:OC#SUBJECTIVE, and it is unclear what degree of association would be defining for the people who might be include in this category. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 20:07, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
  • Delete per nominator and the girl with the brown hairs (do you have nice brown eyes also?). Debresser ( talk) 07:09, 1 January 2010 (UTC) reply
  • Rename to Category:Minneapolis sound artists. Here's another possibility. Since all these artists are part of the Minneapolis sound style created by Prince, we can unite them by that. And then Prince can be in the category too. If deletion is endorsed on the very reasonable grounds that Prince's proteges shouldn't be categorized that way, I'd like to create the Minneapolis sound category, and it would be much easier to do as a rename from this existing category.-- Mike Selinker ( talk) 19:33, 3 January 2010 (UTC) reply
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Category:Post-disco

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:48, 9 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Post-disco ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Category:Post-disco music
Category:Post-disco musicians
Category:Post-disco groups
Category:Post-disco albums
Category:Post-disco songs
Nominator's rationale: Delete all. "Categorizations should generally be uncontroversial; if the category's topic is likely to spark controversy then a list article is likely to be more appropriate." I believe the controversy of the topic as shown in this AfD proves that categorization is not the right way to go here. The genre is suspect as are many of the inclusions within this category. Wolfer68 ( talk) 04:50, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Category:Edgar Degas

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus. The category may be deleted later if an acceptable method for navigation is worked out. Ruslik_ Zero 13:08, 30 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Category:Edgar Degas ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Unless populated, only creates an extra level of categorization before Category:Works by Edgar Degas is reached. Either populate with non-works articles or delete. I'm not sure what it could be populated with, otherwise I would do it. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:31, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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Category:Presidents of the Swazi Senate

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:45, 7 January 2010 (UTC) reply
Propose renaming Category:Presidents of the Swazi Senate to Category:Presidents of the Senate of Swaziland
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Propose renaming to match main articles Senate of Swaziland and List of Presidents of the Senate of Swaziland. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:20, 30 December 2009 (UTC) reply
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