Category:Towns and cities with limited zero-fare transport
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Nominator's rationale:Merge. Merge two not overly large categories. I fail to be convinced that it is defining in any way to only have partial or limited zero-fare routes.
Vegaswikian (
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23:02, 15 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Merge at least - having some free buses or trams or whatever is certainly non-defining of the communities. I question whether having all extensive free buses or trams or whatever is as well so would not be averse to the listification and deletion of the target as well.
Otto4711 (
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17:35, 16 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Amended to "extensive" which makes it even worse by introducing an element of subjectivity along with the possible non-definingness of the attribute.
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20:02, 16 August 2009 (UTC)reply
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Category:Critics of NATO bombing of Yugoslavia
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The result of the discussion was:Delete. Per long-standing guidelines, categorisation by opinion is
overcategorisation and is therefore to be avioded. Whereas there is a legitimate basis for categorising activists, there is not for mere opinion holders. --Xdamrtalk12:58, 23 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Delete. This is not a defining characteristic for people. A list of such critics may be more appropriate.
gadfium21:49, 15 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Keep - All of the individuals on the list have expressed through written works or public statements their opposition to the bombing or they have expressed concerns regarding it. This category is similiar to categories such as "Critics of wikipedia", "Anti-Iraq war activists", "criticism of feminism", ect.. I don't see why it should be deleted. --
Happywith006 (
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04:18, 16 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Keep - I see nothing wrong with this as long as the people in the category are truly critics as noted. Why can't it be a defining characteristic? It is a pretty important international political stance, after all. And why is a list, which accomplishes basically the same thing but not as neatly, ok? I don't get it.
<>Multi-Xfer<> (
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04:36, 16 August 2009 (UTC)reply
People in the category are notable for reasons other than their criticism of the bombing. Anyone who is politically active will have documented opinions on hundreds of issues; it is not reasonable to assign them to hundreds of categories on that basis. The guideline
WP:OC#OPINION specifically says: Avoid categorizing people by their personal opinions, even if a reliable source can be found for the opinions. This includes supporters or critics of an issue....-
gadfium04:57, 16 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Delete -- If a person is notable, it will be for several reasons. Holding a particular view on this will be a minor part of the periosn's notability. If they are notable only for this, they will not be notable at all. This involves holding a particular political opinion on a particular issue. It might possibly be listified, but better not.
Peterkingiron (
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17:00, 16 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Delete Although being a critic of something may be a distinguishing characteristic, I do not think that this is one of those cases. Rather, this is indeed overcategorisation.
Debresser (
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23:14, 16 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:OC#OPINION. It would set a bad precedent if categories were created for every possible issue someone had supported or criticised. Some critical views can be a significant or defining aspect of a person's notability, but this is not the case of the biographies in this category.
Spellcast (
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20:11, 18 August 2009 (UTC)reply
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Category:Fictional escapees
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. (Twinkle at my initial Nomination reason, good job, Twinkle.) This is a recreation of an
already deleted category. As well, most characters listed are clearly of the 'we get caught, get out, cause trouble, get cuaght, lather, rinse, repeat' variety, wherein their 'inprisonment is a minor facet of their situation, no different than 'we cause trouble, get defeated, sneak away, only to months of fictional time later cause trouble, get defeated, lather rinse repeat'.
ThuranX (
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21:38, 15 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Delete - being captured and escaping is so commonplace of a trope that I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of fictional character articles would fit into this category. It imparts little or no encyclopedic information about the character and offers no assistance to anyone who might be researching the trope.
Otto4711 (
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17:04, 16 August 2009 (UTC)reply
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Category:Public transport in the United States by state
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Category:Polyborus
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Category:Novels about actresses
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Rename per nom. I have no problem with Debresser's suggestion but I expect if the category is renamed, novels about male actors could be found, such as
The Ragman's Son. A combined category for both male and female actors would seem sensible.
Cjc13 (
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13:48, 17 August 2009 (UTC)reply
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Category:Expatriate soccer players in Australia
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Category:Towns and cities with limited zero-fare transport
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Nominator's rationale:Merge. Merge two not overly large categories. I fail to be convinced that it is defining in any way to only have partial or limited zero-fare routes.
Vegaswikian (
talk)
23:02, 15 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Merge at least - having some free buses or trams or whatever is certainly non-defining of the communities. I question whether having all extensive free buses or trams or whatever is as well so would not be averse to the listification and deletion of the target as well.
Otto4711 (
talk)
17:35, 16 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Amended to "extensive" which makes it even worse by introducing an element of subjectivity along with the possible non-definingness of the attribute.
Otto4711 (
talk)
20:02, 16 August 2009 (UTC)reply
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Category:Critics of NATO bombing of Yugoslavia
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The result of the discussion was:Delete. Per long-standing guidelines, categorisation by opinion is
overcategorisation and is therefore to be avioded. Whereas there is a legitimate basis for categorising activists, there is not for mere opinion holders. --Xdamrtalk12:58, 23 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Delete. This is not a defining characteristic for people. A list of such critics may be more appropriate.
gadfium21:49, 15 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Keep - All of the individuals on the list have expressed through written works or public statements their opposition to the bombing or they have expressed concerns regarding it. This category is similiar to categories such as "Critics of wikipedia", "Anti-Iraq war activists", "criticism of feminism", ect.. I don't see why it should be deleted. --
Happywith006 (
talk)
04:18, 16 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Keep - I see nothing wrong with this as long as the people in the category are truly critics as noted. Why can't it be a defining characteristic? It is a pretty important international political stance, after all. And why is a list, which accomplishes basically the same thing but not as neatly, ok? I don't get it.
<>Multi-Xfer<> (
talk)
04:36, 16 August 2009 (UTC)reply
People in the category are notable for reasons other than their criticism of the bombing. Anyone who is politically active will have documented opinions on hundreds of issues; it is not reasonable to assign them to hundreds of categories on that basis. The guideline
WP:OC#OPINION specifically says: Avoid categorizing people by their personal opinions, even if a reliable source can be found for the opinions. This includes supporters or critics of an issue....-
gadfium04:57, 16 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Delete -- If a person is notable, it will be for several reasons. Holding a particular view on this will be a minor part of the periosn's notability. If they are notable only for this, they will not be notable at all. This involves holding a particular political opinion on a particular issue. It might possibly be listified, but better not.
Peterkingiron (
talk)
17:00, 16 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Delete Although being a critic of something may be a distinguishing characteristic, I do not think that this is one of those cases. Rather, this is indeed overcategorisation.
Debresser (
talk)
23:14, 16 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:OC#OPINION. It would set a bad precedent if categories were created for every possible issue someone had supported or criticised. Some critical views can be a significant or defining aspect of a person's notability, but this is not the case of the biographies in this category.
Spellcast (
talk)
20:11, 18 August 2009 (UTC)reply
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Category:Fictional escapees
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. (Twinkle at my initial Nomination reason, good job, Twinkle.) This is a recreation of an
already deleted category. As well, most characters listed are clearly of the 'we get caught, get out, cause trouble, get cuaght, lather, rinse, repeat' variety, wherein their 'inprisonment is a minor facet of their situation, no different than 'we cause trouble, get defeated, sneak away, only to months of fictional time later cause trouble, get defeated, lather rinse repeat'.
ThuranX (
talk)
21:38, 15 August 2009 (UTC)reply
Delete - being captured and escaping is so commonplace of a trope that I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of fictional character articles would fit into this category. It imparts little or no encyclopedic information about the character and offers no assistance to anyone who might be researching the trope.
Otto4711 (
talk)
17:04, 16 August 2009 (UTC)reply
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Category:Public transport in the United States by state
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Category:Polyborus
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Category:Novels about actresses
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Rename per nom. I have no problem with Debresser's suggestion but I expect if the category is renamed, novels about male actors could be found, such as
The Ragman's Son. A combined category for both male and female actors would seem sensible.
Cjc13 (
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13:48, 17 August 2009 (UTC)reply
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Category:Expatriate soccer players in Australia
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