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The result of the discussion was:Defer to the Task force/WikiProject - Once the WikiProject becomes a task force (which may already be the case), they may ask any admin to delete the category (as housekeeping), if that's the consensus at the project and/or tf. If further help or clarification is required, please feel free to drop me a note. -
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Category:Fundamentalism
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. Fundamentalism is ambiguous in that it covers religion, finance, beliefs and 'Strict adherence to any set of basic ideas or principles' according to
wictionary. While the main article titled
fundamentalism only talks to religion, the lead begins 'Religious fundamentalism' so even there it is shown that the full description is needed for clarity.
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Category:Potentially Good Names For Heavy Metal Bands
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Despite being very funny, it's really not encyclopedic or helpful to anyone. I think it was created as a joke.
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19:05, 3 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. It would have been much funnier if the category were populated (I don't know whether it ever was). But it still would have been unencyclopedic. --
Metropolitan90(talk)03:13, 4 September 2008 (UTC)reply
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Clothing companies of Foo
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Oppose - although I initiated the CFD that got these and all of the clothing and textile categories named uniformly, in thinking about it I have come to believe that there's no good reason for combining these two industries under a joint category. In fact, I was about to nominate the combo categories for deletion. Most (all?) of them are serving as nothing other than a container category for the clothing companies and textile companies sub-cats. These two industries seem arbitrarily stuck together, I guess because they both deal with cloth. But one is dealing with cloth as its finished product and the other with cloth as its starter material. If the nominator is amenable, I'd like to suggest adding all of the existing combo categories (including the parent
Category:Clothing and textile companies) to this nomination so that we can be assured of a consistent result.
Otto4711 (
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21:54, 3 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Perhaps it would be better to close this nomination as "withdrawn" and initiate a new nomination so that there is less confusion regarding exactly what is being proposed? I do not feel strongly about it one way or the other, and my main goal is consistency in naming. Incidentally, in addition to these Clothing companies categories, we have
Category:Clothing brands and
Category:Clothing retailers. –Black Falcon(
Talk)00:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Clothing retailers would be for sellers of clothing and clothing brands would be for, well, brands, which are not necessarily the same as manufacturers.
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If the genre is "country music," not "American country music" (and I don't know enough about country music to make an argument one way or the other), then naming the category 'A. c. f.' would seem to imply that it's the category of country fiddlers from the U.S. as opposed to the country fiddlers from outside the U.S. In that case, because of
Shoji Tabuchi we'll need a parent "Country fiddlers" category (entries: Shoji Tabuchi, and the American country fiddlers category) (or, if the genre is American country music, a parent "American country fiddlers" category with Shoji Tabuchi and an "American country fiddlers from the U.S." category). Since so far the only non-U.S. ("American?") country fiddler is Tabuchi, it doesn't seem worth the heirarchy.
Of course, if the subject of the "country music" article should really be called "American country music," (and there is the fact of the "American country musicians by instrument" category to take into account there, I guess) my position would change. In short, I think people over at
country music need to be involved in this discussion. —
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Category:New Jersey Route 15 and Category:New Jersey Route 94
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Category:People from Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean Region
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Nominator's rationale: I look at the category Category:Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean, and there is a few categories. There's Communities in Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean, Incorporated places in Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean and Radio stations in Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean. but the one Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean category that I'm worried about is Category:People from Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean Region. This category is propose for renaming without the Region category name. This category will be renaming Category:People from Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean. So, this category has to be renamed without the "Region" name.
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Category:Airliner crashes caused by lightning strike
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The result of the discussion was:rename all except for the deliberate one, which was struck (and no consensus even if it wasn't).
Kbdank7114:10, 10 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Do we really need "accident and incident"? Aren't all accidents, incidents? (Plus, by removing "accident", we remove the need to "assign blame or cause", which would require additional references.) -
jc3721:33, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Sure, I realise that, but the question here is can you have a "deliberate accident". And if it's not an "accident", then it's an "incident", which suggests it's deliberate. This makes the use of "accident" with "deliberate" nonsensical and the use of "deliberate" with "incident" redundant.
Good Ol’factory(talk)23:21, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Well, according to the article, both are an "occurrence". And while an incident may not be an accident, an accident would surely seem to be an incident... -
jc37
So on that view, incidents could be accidental or deliberate, whereas accidents could (I presume) only be accidental. In that case, I'd have no problem with
Category:Deliberate airliner incidents, though as I said it could conceivably contain every case of terrorism aboard an airliner that didn't result in a crash. I'm not sure—it may be better than the current name, though. What do you think, Trevor? Is there any possible way we could call an airliner accident deliberate in order to keep the names consistent?
Good Ol’factory(talk)00:36, 9 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Sometimes the crash is not the result desired by the interference, so it would still be an accident resulting from sabotage or interference, if you follow me. I'm not sure what the best one is, although I lean towards number 2.
HidingT10:31, 10 September 2008 (UTC)reply
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Category:Video game journalism templates
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. Broaden the scope of the category a bit to include templates that aren't numerous enough to have a category of their own.
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. Broaden the scope of the category to include fictional locations which aren't numerous enough to warrant their own category.
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Category:Video game templates by game series
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. Mentioning "game" twice is redundant. The category also includes games belonging to series originating in other media.
SharkD (
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00:32, 3 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Weak Oppose - I don't think that that's accurate enough. "series" could refer to a film series, a TV series, a book series, etc. -
jc3711:55, 3 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The category already has 'video game' in the title, so the distinction is already made that the template must deal with video games somehow. I don't think it's important to distinguish between 'video games series based on a books' or 'books series based on a video games'. The latter is highly unlikely and does not warrant the creation of a new category.
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The result of the discussion was:Defer to the Task force/WikiProject - Once the WikiProject becomes a task force (which may already be the case), they may ask any admin to delete the category (as housekeeping), if that's the consensus at the project and/or tf. If further help or clarification is required, please feel free to drop me a note. -
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Category:Fundamentalism
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. Fundamentalism is ambiguous in that it covers religion, finance, beliefs and 'Strict adherence to any set of basic ideas or principles' according to
wictionary. While the main article titled
fundamentalism only talks to religion, the lead begins 'Religious fundamentalism' so even there it is shown that the full description is needed for clarity.
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Category:Potentially Good Names For Heavy Metal Bands
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Despite being very funny, it's really not encyclopedic or helpful to anyone. I think it was created as a joke.
Eastlaw (
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19:05, 3 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. It would have been much funnier if the category were populated (I don't know whether it ever was). But it still would have been unencyclopedic. --
Metropolitan90(talk)03:13, 4 September 2008 (UTC)reply
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Clothing companies of Foo
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Oppose - although I initiated the CFD that got these and all of the clothing and textile categories named uniformly, in thinking about it I have come to believe that there's no good reason for combining these two industries under a joint category. In fact, I was about to nominate the combo categories for deletion. Most (all?) of them are serving as nothing other than a container category for the clothing companies and textile companies sub-cats. These two industries seem arbitrarily stuck together, I guess because they both deal with cloth. But one is dealing with cloth as its finished product and the other with cloth as its starter material. If the nominator is amenable, I'd like to suggest adding all of the existing combo categories (including the parent
Category:Clothing and textile companies) to this nomination so that we can be assured of a consistent result.
Otto4711 (
talk)
21:54, 3 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Perhaps it would be better to close this nomination as "withdrawn" and initiate a new nomination so that there is less confusion regarding exactly what is being proposed? I do not feel strongly about it one way or the other, and my main goal is consistency in naming. Incidentally, in addition to these Clothing companies categories, we have
Category:Clothing brands and
Category:Clothing retailers. –Black Falcon(
Talk)00:53, 4 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Clothing retailers would be for sellers of clothing and clothing brands would be for, well, brands, which are not necessarily the same as manufacturers.
Otto4711 (
talk)
01:08, 10 September 2008 (UTC)reply
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Category:Country fiddlers
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If the genre is "country music," not "American country music" (and I don't know enough about country music to make an argument one way or the other), then naming the category 'A. c. f.' would seem to imply that it's the category of country fiddlers from the U.S. as opposed to the country fiddlers from outside the U.S. In that case, because of
Shoji Tabuchi we'll need a parent "Country fiddlers" category (entries: Shoji Tabuchi, and the American country fiddlers category) (or, if the genre is American country music, a parent "American country fiddlers" category with Shoji Tabuchi and an "American country fiddlers from the U.S." category). Since so far the only non-U.S. ("American?") country fiddler is Tabuchi, it doesn't seem worth the heirarchy.
Of course, if the subject of the "country music" article should really be called "American country music," (and there is the fact of the "American country musicians by instrument" category to take into account there, I guess) my position would change. In short, I think people over at
country music need to be involved in this discussion. —
eitch23:46, 4 September 2008 (UTC)reply
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Category:People from Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean Region
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Nominator's rationale: I look at the category Category:Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean, and there is a few categories. There's Communities in Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean, Incorporated places in Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean and Radio stations in Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean. but the one Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean category that I'm worried about is Category:People from Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean Region. This category is propose for renaming without the Region category name. This category will be renaming Category:People from Saguenay-Lac-Saint-Jean. So, this category has to be renamed without the "Region" name.
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The result of the discussion was:rename all except for the deliberate one, which was struck (and no consensus even if it wasn't).
Kbdank7114:10, 10 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Do we really need "accident and incident"? Aren't all accidents, incidents? (Plus, by removing "accident", we remove the need to "assign blame or cause", which would require additional references.) -
jc3721:33, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Sure, I realise that, but the question here is can you have a "deliberate accident". And if it's not an "accident", then it's an "incident", which suggests it's deliberate. This makes the use of "accident" with "deliberate" nonsensical and the use of "deliberate" with "incident" redundant.
Good Ol’factory(talk)23:21, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Well, according to the article, both are an "occurrence". And while an incident may not be an accident, an accident would surely seem to be an incident... -
jc37
So on that view, incidents could be accidental or deliberate, whereas accidents could (I presume) only be accidental. In that case, I'd have no problem with
Category:Deliberate airliner incidents, though as I said it could conceivably contain every case of terrorism aboard an airliner that didn't result in a crash. I'm not sure—it may be better than the current name, though. What do you think, Trevor? Is there any possible way we could call an airliner accident deliberate in order to keep the names consistent?
Good Ol’factory(talk)00:36, 9 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Sometimes the crash is not the result desired by the interference, so it would still be an accident resulting from sabotage or interference, if you follow me. I'm not sure what the best one is, although I lean towards number 2.
HidingT10:31, 10 September 2008 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. Broaden the scope of the category a bit to include templates that aren't numerous enough to have a category of their own.
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. Broaden the scope of the category to include fictional locations which aren't numerous enough to warrant their own category.
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00:35, 3 September 2008 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. Mentioning "game" twice is redundant. The category also includes games belonging to series originating in other media.
SharkD (
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00:32, 3 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Weak Oppose - I don't think that that's accurate enough. "series" could refer to a film series, a TV series, a book series, etc. -
jc3711:55, 3 September 2008 (UTC)reply
The category already has 'video game' in the title, so the distinction is already made that the template must deal with video games somehow. I don't think it's important to distinguish between 'video games series based on a books' or 'books series based on a video games'. The latter is highly unlikely and does not warrant the creation of a new category.
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