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(Ethnic group) Democrats (United States)
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
Kbdank71 20:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Rename, since having both "American" and "(United States)" in the category name is redundant and not consistent with other Democrat/Republican subcats (i.e., the ones broken down by U.S. state).
Tom (
talk -
email) 22:11, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete all. These are
overcategorizations. They are essentially quadruple intersections (Americans X Politicians X (Political Party) X (Ethnicity). I doubt that there is a single member of any of these categories that can be shown to have the category as a defining characteristic. These should all be upmerged. --
☑ SamuelWantman 07:55, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete all. Sam's quite right, this is a case of overcategorization. —
Lincolnite (
talk) 12:44, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom. Quite useful when looking for party history.
Dimadick (
talk) 23:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)reply
If they are useful, they can be made into lists. We have guidelines about overcategorization because creating multiple intersections creates tremendous amounts of clutter. Imagine that an article is in 8 primary categories, and then calculate how many more there will be if we include each level of intersection. If we add double intersections the 8 categories grows to 36. I'll leave it to you to calculate the permutations including triple and quadruple intersections. --
☑ SamuelWantman 08:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Strong Delete - References. These need references, per
WP:BLP. What, you say that references can't be individually added to a category? Why then, per
WP:CLS, they should probably be lists so that such references could be provided. That alone is enough for these to be deleted. Things like
WP:OC#OPINION, and other sections of
WP:OC are just "extra" good reasons to delete. -
jc37 08:15, 9 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete all, overcategorization on basis of race/ethnicity. --
Soman (
talk) 21:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete all as overcategorization, being non-notable intersections of race and political affiliation.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 04:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete all, overcategorization.
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Category:Elsie J. Oxenham
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. Delete - Contains nothing but articles about novels.
Otto4711 (
talk) 22:10, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Target category already exists and contains the same three articles.
Otto4711 (
talk) 12:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Remark These are actually about series of novels, like the Stabenow cfd below.
-- roundhouse0 (
talk) 07:51, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Originally this category also contained the article aboutElsie J. Oxenham as well as those about her books - not sure why/when that was removed from the category? - but that was my original rationale for creating the category, i.e. in order to bring the articles about the books and their author together. I have not re-added the category to the author page because of the request on the category page not to make changes/additions to the pages within it, but not sure what the best move is now - would welcome advice
Abbeybufo (
talk •
contribs) 21:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)reply
There is no objection to adding material to a category during cfd - indeed it is the best way of demonstrating a need for the category.
-- roundhouse0 (
talk) 00:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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Category:Molière
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Nominator's rationale:Delete - eponymous
overcategorization, not needed for the single subcat which is housed in an appropriate alternate parent.
Otto4711 (
talk) 21:55, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep now 2 subcats & 2 make that 6 articles, plus the original subcat should have many more entries. No Moliere template, and the bio is long, so the category is well worth keeping.
Johnbod (
talk) 22:04, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
What is the point of having
Category:Plays by author and the like if we're just going to keep the eponymous author categories too? And is anyone, upon opening
Molière, really going to have any trouble finding
Molière#List_of_major_works? I mean come on.
Otto4711 (
talk) 22:11, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
None of the 5 adaptations (very incomplete I'm sure) are mentioned in the article, as I know, having had to root around to add most of them. This is exactly what categories are for. The "appropriate alternate parent" for the adaptations cat is a silly maintenance cat.
Johnbod (
talk) 22:16, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Er, what? The adaptations are a sub-cat, as they should be, and always are in such cats.
Johnbod (
talk) 22:26, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep – fr.wiki has a lot of articles in Catégorie:Molière (but no adaptations as yet) which indicates room for growth.
-- roundhouse0 (
talk) 08:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
We don't keep categories because someday they might somehow become needed. Categories are not anticipatory.
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Category:Dana Stabenow
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. Should be renamed to something but I'm not sure what. Contains two articles about series of novels by the author so clearly it's not useful as an eponymous category.
Category:Novels by Dana Stabenow?
Category:Dana Stabenow novel series (but we don't have a Novel series by author structure at this time, and I'm loathe to start yet another novels categorization scheme)? Just merge it to
Category:Novel series?
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Category:People appearing in lesbian pornography
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The result of the discussion was:Delete -
jc37 09:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Broadly vague. Most female participants in pornography will typically appear in lesbian scenes; in time I would expect this category and
Category:Female porn stars to be near mirror images of each other.
Tabercil (
talk) 20:58, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep as the logical sibling category to the (still IMHO poorly named)
Category:People appearing in gay pornography. Restrict only to those women who have appeared in actual lesbian pornography and exclude those who appear in a lesbian scene within a larger film.
Otto4711 (
talk) 21:16, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete as redundant. Lesbian porn is part of the job description for female porn stars. This subcat would include nearly 100% of its parent.
• Gene93k (
talk) 22:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. Female porn stars who haven't done girl/girl scenes would be a more notable group. —
Malik Shabazz (
talk·contribs) 23:13, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment - "Lesbian pornography" does not equal "Pornography marketed to straight men that includes girl-on-girl action as a warm-up act to the 'real thing'." There is actual pornography produced by lesbians for lesbians that has nothing to do with the male-gaze fantasy of two chicks with fake tits and fake nails pretending to like licking each others' naughty bits.
Otto4711 (
talk) 00:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment – You know, it actually is possible to comment on the actual issue at hand without getting on your high-horse and editorializing about the ostensible superiority of your tastes in porn. Just sayin'.
Iamcuriousblue (
talk) 02:27, 13 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Er, I'm not sure if this is directed toward me or Bella, but I can assure you that my tastes in pornography run about as diametrically opposite to lesbian or girl-on-girl as it is possible to get.
Otto4711 (
talk) 22:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete I agree with the nominator, as it stands this is way too broad. I would go along with "rename" if, as suggested by the previous comment, this were limited to only actresses who appeared in porn that was directly aimed at the lesbian audience. Although, this could potentially widen the opening of a can of worms. Should we then create cats for mainstream films such as
Category:People appearing in kids films,
Category:People appearing in action films,
Category:People appearing in comedy films, etc? In coming up with those cats, I was only thinking of one actor,
Arnold Schwarzenegger. The films being Kindergarden Cop, Last Action Hero, and that one he did with Danny DeVito. If so, we're likely to end up with the Cindy Crawford problem where we had models with over 70 different categories. One based on each clothing company, perfume company, cosmetics company, etc. that they had ever modeled for. Dismas|
(talk) 01:51, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Not a parallel at all, as with very few exceptions porn actors are not notable for appearing on film outside of pornography. If they are then they are categorized simply as "film actors."
Otto4711 (
talk) 12:20, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
You missed my point. I'm not saying that the same people will be in those other categories that I named but that if we start breaking films down too much, like this category does, then it sets a precedent for other films, porn or mainstream. Dismas|
(talk) 19:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment Actually AIDS denialism is a movement that has spanned decades and continents. Denying someone is a lesbian needs to be shown as notable, that's why that article is at AfD.
Banjeboi 23:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep. Per Otto4711. Lesbian porn is certainly notable but at least subcategories for those who are appearing in actual lesbian porn verses girl-on-girl scenes for a straight audience would be helpful.
Banjeboi 23:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete Over-categorisation, and is always going to have
WP:POV issues due to the "real" lesbianism performed for Women, rather than performed for men.
Mayalld (
talk) 06:17, 8 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep. I think Otto is correct. The category description should make it clear that this it is just about appearing in pornography for lesbians, and not the broader set of pornography with lesbian scenes, The latter might fit our criteria for overcategorization, but the former seems to be a much smaller subset of
Category:Female porn stars, and thereby a reasonable subcategorization. I wouldn't think it is difficult or POV to determine the difference between lesbian porn and straight porn with lesbian scenes. But then I am just guessing, because I watch neither. --
☑ SamuelWantman
Delete per nomination.
Kellyhi! 01:01, 12 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment: I'm leaning toward deletion unless there's some way of 1) re-titling this so its clearly about performers who have appeared in the by-lesbians for-lesbians porn genre, and 2) that there's actually enough performers in such porn that have articles here on Wikipedia.
Nina Hartley and
Sharon Mitchell come to mind - but who else? In fact, by the criteria mentioned here, I don't think any of the performers on the present list actually belong on it.
Iamcuriousblue (
talk) 02:35, 13 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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General elections
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The result of the discussion was:rename all but United States to "General elections in Foo"; No consensus on United States.
Kbdank71 13:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Pick something and stick with it. We have some four different naming formats among eight subcats. The choices seem to be: Foo general elections; Fooian general elections; General elections in Foo; and General elections of Foo. The parents appear consistent as Elections in Foo so rename all to
Category:General elections in Foo is my preference. We also want to decide if we want to rename the US category from "Federal" to "general."
Otto4711 (
talk) 19:31, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
comment. I don't know about other countries, but in the United States, elections are run at the state (county election commissioners) level, not by the central (Federal) government. Federal (national) elections are elections for the US President, US senators and US House of Representatives members. Generally, there is a 'primary' election that precedes the 'general' election by some number of months. The 'general' election has voters choosing among nominees, one from each participating political party. The 'primary' election (when a state political party uses this method of selecting its nominee) has voters of their party choosing the nominee from their party for the general election. At the state and local office level (and for state and local referendum of assorted kinds), there are also primary elections and general elections (with the same meaning as at the Federal level), the dates of which often, but not always (state by state rules), coincide with the federal election dates. Other federal, multi-party democracies may have similar intricacies. Category names should actually reflect the election reality of the country involved, but should not conflate the primary/general classification with the federal/state and local classification.
Hmains (
talk) 21:02, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Addition: In the US, there are also 'special elections' which may be used to fill seats vacated for any reason. So the US classifications are at least primary/general/special and federal/state and local.
Hmains (
talk) 23:04, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment – I concur with
Hmains's points. "General" elections are different from "Special" or "Primary" elections. "United States" elections are different from "state" or "local."—
Markles 23:08, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete parent category –
Category:General elections. As this discussion makes clear, the words "general election" have different meanings in different parts of the world and the existence of the parent cat does nothing to aid navigation for the overwhelming majority of readers. Each of these sub-cats can be reached through their respective
Category:Elections in Foo category, which is surely how most readers would go about finding them. The existence of
Category:General elections adds nothing. —
Lincolnite (
talk) 12:55, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
In some countries 'General elections' is the correct term. While this may not apply to the US, it is valid outside of the US. Having said that, in the US the formal name for the two elections in the cycle usually are the 'primary election' and the 'general election'. The usage of general in the US does not match what is used in most other countries using that term.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 00:38, 11 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Rename all to "...of...". I know that others above have deferred to the "in" convention because quite a few other cats use it, but the simple thing is that this is an issue of a governing body, not of geography. Therefore, just as it would be "the goivernment of Italy", not "the government in Italy", these should be "the elections of Italy" not "the elections in Italy". Here's the main naming convention:
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (country-specific topics). (Noting that it provides an
elastic clause at the end.) And check out a few naming convention pages of a similar nature:
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (political parties) and
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles). -
jc37 09:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
Kbdank71 13:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Rename. "United States elections…" is better and possibly more consistent with other states' elections. —
Markles 18:24, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
There is an additional reason for deletion. {{MissouriFederalElections}} does a much better job of navigation, and while navigation templates and categories can coexist, I think this is a case where the template is clearly the only option needed.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 00:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)reply
If renamed, not to this - "United States elections in Missouri" is a very odd construction. What other country could possibly hold elections in Missouri? This whole structure is a mess but a good cleanup plan is not really manifesting itself to me at the moment.
Category:Federal elections of the United States needs a looking at too.
Otto4711 (
talk) 18:57, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Answer - There are state, local, and national elections. These categories are for national ones, as opposed to elections for state or local office. The CFD/CFR notice for the Massachusetts category did not link correctly to this discussion (can you correct that somehow?).—
Markles 19:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep parent –
Category:Federal elections of the United States should be kept. It is already suitibly populated. (And like its Massachusetts subcat, it doesn't point to this discussion (can you fix that, please?)—
Markles 19:37, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment -you only get one !vote per CFD so I've stricken your two additional !votes. I'm not sure why the MA cat isn't linking here but it does link to the page at least.
Category:Federal elections of the United States is not part of this nomination so your comments about it should be posted one CFD up.
Otto4711 (
talk) 19:42, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
My first original vote was to rename the Missouri category. One of my "additional" votes was to keep the parent category. —
Markles 22:45, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
The parent cat isn't nominated here. It's nominated for discussion in the CFD above this one entitled "General elections."
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Category:Lists of insects in the British Isles
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The result of the discussion was:No consensus -
jc37 09:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: More accurate name - all articles refer to Britain.
Bardcom (
talk) 17:28, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Probably even more accurate to use "United Kingdom" rather than "Great Britain", as I suspect some of the articles include Northern Ireland, which is not part of Great Britain—
GRM (
talk) 18:08, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
If so, I suspect that such insects would also be found in the
Republic of Ireland, which is not part of the United Kingdom, hence "British Isles" status quo. —
CharlotteWebb 18:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)reply
I cannot say for other insects, but there are certainly several butterflies that occur in the UK that do not occur in the Irish Republic. In fact, there is a separate
List of butterflies in Ireland—
GRM (
talk) 20:33, 11 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep as supercat to encompass country cats. --
Kbdank71 14:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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Category:List of beetles in the British Isles
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The result of the discussion was:No consensus -
jc37 09:28, 15 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: More accurate category name - all articles refer to Britain.
Bardcom (
talk) 17:24, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Probably even more accurate to use "United Kingdom" rather than "Great Britain", as I suspect some of the articles include Northern Ireland, which is not part of Great Britain—
GRM (
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Keep as supercat to encompass country cats. --
Kbdank71 14:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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Category:Lists of Disney people
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The result of the discussion was:upmerge.
Kbdank71 14:41, 14 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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Sub category pages of Category:People by first- (and second-) level administrative country subdivision
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The result of the discussion was:rename all to "People by Foo in Country" (except for the British one, I have no idea what it should be).
Kbdank71 13:44, 14 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: 1. to have naming uniform for categories of this sort - the 10 items not listed already follow this pattern 2. better to reflect that not everyone listed as being from a city, state, or other jurisdiction within a country is a citizen of the country that jurisdiction belongs to (ie. not everyone listed under a subcategory of
Category:People by French region or
Category:People from Paris is a citizen of France, etc, etc).
Mayumashu (
talk) 13:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Rename all per nom, unless problems are produced. Seems sensible to me.
Johnbod (
talk) 15:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
rename all This seems a reasonable pattern.
Hmains (
talk) 23:26, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
While I agree with the basic goal of avoiding the implication that all people of these areas are citizens of the country in which the region lies, I think I prefer the style of, for example,
Category:People by county in Norway over
Category:People by Norwegian county. Why do we even use the "Fooian" as an adjective when it's easy enough to rephrase it as "county in Norway" or "state in the United States", for example? This would also solve the problem of those who fine the adjectives "obscure", which is a continual issue.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 03:02, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
I agree with Good Olfactory regarding the disdain for adjectives. Rename to People by xxxx in Country.
Neier (
talk) 00:30, 8 July 2008 (UTC)reply
I agree with the Nominator's rationale, but I agree with
Good Ol’factory about the adjectives. Result would be that half a dozen on the list would not change, but those that incorrectly imply race or citizenship would have those elements removed. HOWEVER, I disagree with the use of "American". Brazil has 26 American states, for example, and the
Organization of American States covers quite a few, mostly outside USA. Why not use the well-defined term "
U.S. state", as in the subcategory
Category:Lists of people by U.S. state? And the Welsh - er - people of Wales are not all in counties (see
Local government in Wales), so how about "by unitary authority" (22) or "preserved county" (8)?
Robin Patterson (
talk) 15:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)reply
As one who has previously quibbled about
Marshallese and
Equatoguinean (which I have now mastered, just in time for
Simon Mann's equatoguinean incarceration) I am delighted to support the People by xxxx in Country suggestion of Goodolf's. As a further quibble ...
oblast is obscure, to me at least. I have no objection to finding 'oblast' in an article but can we not use an alternative in traditional English for titles of articles and catgories?
-- roundhouse0 (
talk) 16:54, 8 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Oblast is pretty generally used in English in discussing these countries, here & outside. Anyway, what would you call them? Not states & they are often too small to be provinces.
Johnbod (
talk) 17:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Not used here in Derbyshire, as far as I know. Is English wikipedia not supposed to be accessible to someone in say Nigeria whose 2nd or 3rd language is English? I'd use Province and define oblast at the top of the article/category – I approve entirely of
Provinces of Bulgaria. The article is actually
Administrative divisions of Ukraine. (
Voivodeship sejmik is worse.)
-- roundhouse0 (
talk) 17:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Rename to "People by [political unit] in [larger political unit]", not per nom (I share the above frustration with clunky, non-obvious demonyms). —
CharlotteWebb 18:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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Missing film lists
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The result of the discussion was:rename all.
Kbdank71 16:40, 14 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: - Categorization for these
WikiProject Films red link lists is currently all over the place; duplicate categories exist, category naming is haphazard, and use of "WikiProject Missing Film" implies that there is a WikiProject by that name. Having a seperate category for the Australia lists smacks of overcategorization. Proposed scheme reorganises these into a single parent cat and two appropriately named subcats based on their contents.
PC78 (
talk) 03:25, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
It's not really complicated - the country and decade lists are already categorized separately; this proposal simply renames them and groups them under a single parent category, whre at present there are two parent cats. But if you really wanted to simplyfy it, I don't have a problem with dumping everything into
Category:WikiProject Films missing article lists and deleting the rest.
Category:Missing film articles isn't really an appropriate category name - it's ambiguous with
Category:Lost films, and is for article lists, not actual articles.
PC78 (
talk) 14:56, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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Podlachian Voivodeship
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The result of the discussion was:rename.
Kbdank71 13:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Rename - "Podlachian" is a term invented by EN.WP. The correct name in English, according to the Polish government and the EU, is Podlaskie (see
Talk:Podlaskie Voivodeship for references.
Comment. Merged these very similar nominations --
EliyakT·
C 03:58, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Remark Has the word
Voivodeship been slipped into the English language when I wasn't looking? Why are we not using 'Province'? See eg
Category:Provinces. (There is 'Oblast' in the cfd above as well.)
-- roundhouse0 (
talk) 20:57, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Support per nom. And voivodeship certainly appears in various English dictionaries.--
Kotniski (
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Category:Dutch baseball managers
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The result of the discussion was:merge, without prejudice to recreation if other articles are written/found.
Kbdank71 16:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Merge - single-item category with unlikely growth potential. Not part of a wider Baseball managers by nationality structure.
Otto4711 (
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Category:Philip Reeve
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus.
Kbdank71 16:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)reply
This raises a wider issue as to the merit of
Category:Categories named after writers. The sample that I have looked at either contain articles on individual works ot a subcategory for such. This has none and should thus be upmerged to the parent category
Category:Writers, but without prejudice to recreation if there is more content for it.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 15:31, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
For categories named after writers, my outlook is the same as for other sorts of eponymous categories, that they should only be created if the material about the writer him- or herself is so complex that the main article can't serve as an appropriate navigational hub. Since we have structures for Works by artist including both Books by author and Novels by author and since an author's article is in all likelihood going to include links to all of his or her literary output, subcats for the authors' works don't mandate an eponymous category.
Otto4711 (
talk) 19:10, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete per all - in fact we already have the 7-strong
Category:Novels by Philip Reeve, but now I see Roundhouse has added the characters sub-cat, so Keep.
Johnbod (
talk) 15:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Much as I hate feeling like a deletionist, there is also {{Hungry City Chronicles}}, which links the world of Philip Reeve together very well.
BencherliteTalk 07:42, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep – there's a vast amount of stuff pertaining to this chap (eg fictional organisations, on the template) who is also an illustrator of books (so there are books + images, not on the template), and as he is relatively young (b 1966) I would expect more to accrue. (Do we have tfds on the grounds that there is already an adequate category?)
-- roundhouse0 (
talk) 10:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
We don't keep categories because someday there might be more stuff to go in them.
Otto4711 (
talk) 11:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
There is the 'small with no potential for growth' argument, the counter to which is presumably 'there is potential for growth'. So I think we do. In any case there is a $200 mill film of
Larklight in the offing -
see eg here.
-- roundhouse0 (
talk) 11:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Well, no, we keep categories if there is material to put in them, not because there might someday be such material. Articles related to the film adaptation of his works wouldn't go directly in an eponymous category anyway but in an adaptations category, so the existence of the upcoming film is irrelevant.
Otto4711 (
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I don't understand this new doctrine you are trying to push (see Moliere above). Adaptations would be a sub-cat here, and the existence of subcats is a factor in the usefulness of valid parents. If there were such a category, it would certainly be relevant.
Johnbod (
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(Ethnic group) Democrats (United States)
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
Kbdank71 20:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Rename, since having both "American" and "(United States)" in the category name is redundant and not consistent with other Democrat/Republican subcats (i.e., the ones broken down by U.S. state).
Tom (
talk -
email) 22:11, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete all. These are
overcategorizations. They are essentially quadruple intersections (Americans X Politicians X (Political Party) X (Ethnicity). I doubt that there is a single member of any of these categories that can be shown to have the category as a defining characteristic. These should all be upmerged. --
☑ SamuelWantman 07:55, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete all. Sam's quite right, this is a case of overcategorization. —
Lincolnite (
talk) 12:44, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom. Quite useful when looking for party history.
Dimadick (
talk) 23:31, 8 July 2008 (UTC)reply
If they are useful, they can be made into lists. We have guidelines about overcategorization because creating multiple intersections creates tremendous amounts of clutter. Imagine that an article is in 8 primary categories, and then calculate how many more there will be if we include each level of intersection. If we add double intersections the 8 categories grows to 36. I'll leave it to you to calculate the permutations including triple and quadruple intersections. --
☑ SamuelWantman 08:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Strong Delete - References. These need references, per
WP:BLP. What, you say that references can't be individually added to a category? Why then, per
WP:CLS, they should probably be lists so that such references could be provided. That alone is enough for these to be deleted. Things like
WP:OC#OPINION, and other sections of
WP:OC are just "extra" good reasons to delete. -
jc37 08:15, 9 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete all, overcategorization on basis of race/ethnicity. --
Soman (
talk) 21:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete all as overcategorization, being non-notable intersections of race and political affiliation.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 04:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete all, overcategorization.
Postdlf (
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Category:Elsie J. Oxenham
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. Delete - Contains nothing but articles about novels.
Otto4711 (
talk) 22:10, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Target category already exists and contains the same three articles.
Otto4711 (
talk) 12:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Remark These are actually about series of novels, like the Stabenow cfd below.
-- roundhouse0 (
talk) 07:51, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Originally this category also contained the article aboutElsie J. Oxenham as well as those about her books - not sure why/when that was removed from the category? - but that was my original rationale for creating the category, i.e. in order to bring the articles about the books and their author together. I have not re-added the category to the author page because of the request on the category page not to make changes/additions to the pages within it, but not sure what the best move is now - would welcome advice
Abbeybufo (
talk •
contribs) 21:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)reply
There is no objection to adding material to a category during cfd - indeed it is the best way of demonstrating a need for the category.
-- roundhouse0 (
talk) 00:29, 11 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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Category:Molière
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Nominator's rationale:Delete - eponymous
overcategorization, not needed for the single subcat which is housed in an appropriate alternate parent.
Otto4711 (
talk) 21:55, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep now 2 subcats & 2 make that 6 articles, plus the original subcat should have many more entries. No Moliere template, and the bio is long, so the category is well worth keeping.
Johnbod (
talk) 22:04, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
What is the point of having
Category:Plays by author and the like if we're just going to keep the eponymous author categories too? And is anyone, upon opening
Molière, really going to have any trouble finding
Molière#List_of_major_works? I mean come on.
Otto4711 (
talk) 22:11, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
None of the 5 adaptations (very incomplete I'm sure) are mentioned in the article, as I know, having had to root around to add most of them. This is exactly what categories are for. The "appropriate alternate parent" for the adaptations cat is a silly maintenance cat.
Johnbod (
talk) 22:16, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Er, what? The adaptations are a sub-cat, as they should be, and always are in such cats.
Johnbod (
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Keep – fr.wiki has a lot of articles in Catégorie:Molière (but no adaptations as yet) which indicates room for growth.
-- roundhouse0 (
talk) 08:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
We don't keep categories because someday they might somehow become needed. Categories are not anticipatory.
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Category:Dana Stabenow
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. Should be renamed to something but I'm not sure what. Contains two articles about series of novels by the author so clearly it's not useful as an eponymous category.
Category:Novels by Dana Stabenow?
Category:Dana Stabenow novel series (but we don't have a Novel series by author structure at this time, and I'm loathe to start yet another novels categorization scheme)? Just merge it to
Category:Novel series?
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Category:People appearing in lesbian pornography
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The result of the discussion was:Delete -
jc37 09:23, 15 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Broadly vague. Most female participants in pornography will typically appear in lesbian scenes; in time I would expect this category and
Category:Female porn stars to be near mirror images of each other.
Tabercil (
talk) 20:58, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep as the logical sibling category to the (still IMHO poorly named)
Category:People appearing in gay pornography. Restrict only to those women who have appeared in actual lesbian pornography and exclude those who appear in a lesbian scene within a larger film.
Otto4711 (
talk) 21:16, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete as redundant. Lesbian porn is part of the job description for female porn stars. This subcat would include nearly 100% of its parent.
• Gene93k (
talk) 22:15, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. Female porn stars who haven't done girl/girl scenes would be a more notable group. —
Malik Shabazz (
talk·contribs) 23:13, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment - "Lesbian pornography" does not equal "Pornography marketed to straight men that includes girl-on-girl action as a warm-up act to the 'real thing'." There is actual pornography produced by lesbians for lesbians that has nothing to do with the male-gaze fantasy of two chicks with fake tits and fake nails pretending to like licking each others' naughty bits.
Otto4711 (
talk) 00:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment – You know, it actually is possible to comment on the actual issue at hand without getting on your high-horse and editorializing about the ostensible superiority of your tastes in porn. Just sayin'.
Iamcuriousblue (
talk) 02:27, 13 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Er, I'm not sure if this is directed toward me or Bella, but I can assure you that my tastes in pornography run about as diametrically opposite to lesbian or girl-on-girl as it is possible to get.
Otto4711 (
talk) 22:56, 14 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete I agree with the nominator, as it stands this is way too broad. I would go along with "rename" if, as suggested by the previous comment, this were limited to only actresses who appeared in porn that was directly aimed at the lesbian audience. Although, this could potentially widen the opening of a can of worms. Should we then create cats for mainstream films such as
Category:People appearing in kids films,
Category:People appearing in action films,
Category:People appearing in comedy films, etc? In coming up with those cats, I was only thinking of one actor,
Arnold Schwarzenegger. The films being Kindergarden Cop, Last Action Hero, and that one he did with Danny DeVito. If so, we're likely to end up with the Cindy Crawford problem where we had models with over 70 different categories. One based on each clothing company, perfume company, cosmetics company, etc. that they had ever modeled for. Dismas|
(talk) 01:51, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Not a parallel at all, as with very few exceptions porn actors are not notable for appearing on film outside of pornography. If they are then they are categorized simply as "film actors."
Otto4711 (
talk) 12:20, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
You missed my point. I'm not saying that the same people will be in those other categories that I named but that if we start breaking films down too much, like this category does, then it sets a precedent for other films, porn or mainstream. Dismas|
(talk) 19:16, 11 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment Actually AIDS denialism is a movement that has spanned decades and continents. Denying someone is a lesbian needs to be shown as notable, that's why that article is at AfD.
Banjeboi 23:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep. Per Otto4711. Lesbian porn is certainly notable but at least subcategories for those who are appearing in actual lesbian porn verses girl-on-girl scenes for a straight audience would be helpful.
Banjeboi 23:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete Over-categorisation, and is always going to have
WP:POV issues due to the "real" lesbianism performed for Women, rather than performed for men.
Mayalld (
talk) 06:17, 8 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep. I think Otto is correct. The category description should make it clear that this it is just about appearing in pornography for lesbians, and not the broader set of pornography with lesbian scenes, The latter might fit our criteria for overcategorization, but the former seems to be a much smaller subset of
Category:Female porn stars, and thereby a reasonable subcategorization. I wouldn't think it is difficult or POV to determine the difference between lesbian porn and straight porn with lesbian scenes. But then I am just guessing, because I watch neither. --
☑ SamuelWantman
Delete per nomination.
Kellyhi! 01:01, 12 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment: I'm leaning toward deletion unless there's some way of 1) re-titling this so its clearly about performers who have appeared in the by-lesbians for-lesbians porn genre, and 2) that there's actually enough performers in such porn that have articles here on Wikipedia.
Nina Hartley and
Sharon Mitchell come to mind - but who else? In fact, by the criteria mentioned here, I don't think any of the performers on the present list actually belong on it.
Iamcuriousblue (
talk) 02:35, 13 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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General elections
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The result of the discussion was:rename all but United States to "General elections in Foo"; No consensus on United States.
Kbdank71 13:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Pick something and stick with it. We have some four different naming formats among eight subcats. The choices seem to be: Foo general elections; Fooian general elections; General elections in Foo; and General elections of Foo. The parents appear consistent as Elections in Foo so rename all to
Category:General elections in Foo is my preference. We also want to decide if we want to rename the US category from "Federal" to "general."
Otto4711 (
talk) 19:31, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
comment. I don't know about other countries, but in the United States, elections are run at the state (county election commissioners) level, not by the central (Federal) government. Federal (national) elections are elections for the US President, US senators and US House of Representatives members. Generally, there is a 'primary' election that precedes the 'general' election by some number of months. The 'general' election has voters choosing among nominees, one from each participating political party. The 'primary' election (when a state political party uses this method of selecting its nominee) has voters of their party choosing the nominee from their party for the general election. At the state and local office level (and for state and local referendum of assorted kinds), there are also primary elections and general elections (with the same meaning as at the Federal level), the dates of which often, but not always (state by state rules), coincide with the federal election dates. Other federal, multi-party democracies may have similar intricacies. Category names should actually reflect the election reality of the country involved, but should not conflate the primary/general classification with the federal/state and local classification.
Hmains (
talk) 21:02, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Addition: In the US, there are also 'special elections' which may be used to fill seats vacated for any reason. So the US classifications are at least primary/general/special and federal/state and local.
Hmains (
talk) 23:04, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment – I concur with
Hmains's points. "General" elections are different from "Special" or "Primary" elections. "United States" elections are different from "state" or "local."—
Markles 23:08, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete parent category –
Category:General elections. As this discussion makes clear, the words "general election" have different meanings in different parts of the world and the existence of the parent cat does nothing to aid navigation for the overwhelming majority of readers. Each of these sub-cats can be reached through their respective
Category:Elections in Foo category, which is surely how most readers would go about finding them. The existence of
Category:General elections adds nothing. —
Lincolnite (
talk) 12:55, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
In some countries 'General elections' is the correct term. While this may not apply to the US, it is valid outside of the US. Having said that, in the US the formal name for the two elections in the cycle usually are the 'primary election' and the 'general election'. The usage of general in the US does not match what is used in most other countries using that term.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 00:38, 11 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Rename all to "...of...". I know that others above have deferred to the "in" convention because quite a few other cats use it, but the simple thing is that this is an issue of a governing body, not of geography. Therefore, just as it would be "the goivernment of Italy", not "the government in Italy", these should be "the elections of Italy" not "the elections in Italy". Here's the main naming convention:
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (country-specific topics). (Noting that it provides an
elastic clause at the end.) And check out a few naming convention pages of a similar nature:
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (political parties) and
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (names and titles). -
jc37 09:45, 15 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
Kbdank71 13:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Rename. "United States elections…" is better and possibly more consistent with other states' elections. —
Markles 18:24, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
There is an additional reason for deletion. {{MissouriFederalElections}} does a much better job of navigation, and while navigation templates and categories can coexist, I think this is a case where the template is clearly the only option needed.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 00:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)reply
If renamed, not to this - "United States elections in Missouri" is a very odd construction. What other country could possibly hold elections in Missouri? This whole structure is a mess but a good cleanup plan is not really manifesting itself to me at the moment.
Category:Federal elections of the United States needs a looking at too.
Otto4711 (
talk) 18:57, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Answer - There are state, local, and national elections. These categories are for national ones, as opposed to elections for state or local office. The CFD/CFR notice for the Massachusetts category did not link correctly to this discussion (can you correct that somehow?).—
Markles 19:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep parent –
Category:Federal elections of the United States should be kept. It is already suitibly populated. (And like its Massachusetts subcat, it doesn't point to this discussion (can you fix that, please?)—
Markles 19:37, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment -you only get one !vote per CFD so I've stricken your two additional !votes. I'm not sure why the MA cat isn't linking here but it does link to the page at least.
Category:Federal elections of the United States is not part of this nomination so your comments about it should be posted one CFD up.
Otto4711 (
talk) 19:42, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
My first original vote was to rename the Missouri category. One of my "additional" votes was to keep the parent category. —
Markles 22:45, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
The parent cat isn't nominated here. It's nominated for discussion in the CFD above this one entitled "General elections."
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Category:Lists of insects in the British Isles
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The result of the discussion was:No consensus -
jc37 09:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: More accurate name - all articles refer to Britain.
Bardcom (
talk) 17:28, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Probably even more accurate to use "United Kingdom" rather than "Great Britain", as I suspect some of the articles include Northern Ireland, which is not part of Great Britain—
GRM (
talk) 18:08, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
If so, I suspect that such insects would also be found in the
Republic of Ireland, which is not part of the United Kingdom, hence "British Isles" status quo. —
CharlotteWebb 18:45, 11 July 2008 (UTC)reply
I cannot say for other insects, but there are certainly several butterflies that occur in the UK that do not occur in the Irish Republic. In fact, there is a separate
List of butterflies in Ireland—
GRM (
talk) 20:33, 11 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep as supercat to encompass country cats. --
Kbdank71 14:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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Category:List of beetles in the British Isles
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The result of the discussion was:No consensus -
jc37 09:28, 15 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: More accurate category name - all articles refer to Britain.
Bardcom (
talk) 17:24, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Probably even more accurate to use "United Kingdom" rather than "Great Britain", as I suspect some of the articles include Northern Ireland, which is not part of Great Britain—
GRM (
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Keep as supercat to encompass country cats. --
Kbdank71 14:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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Category:Lists of Disney people
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The result of the discussion was:upmerge.
Kbdank71 14:41, 14 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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Sub category pages of Category:People by first- (and second-) level administrative country subdivision
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The result of the discussion was:rename all to "People by Foo in Country" (except for the British one, I have no idea what it should be).
Kbdank71 13:44, 14 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: 1. to have naming uniform for categories of this sort - the 10 items not listed already follow this pattern 2. better to reflect that not everyone listed as being from a city, state, or other jurisdiction within a country is a citizen of the country that jurisdiction belongs to (ie. not everyone listed under a subcategory of
Category:People by French region or
Category:People from Paris is a citizen of France, etc, etc).
Mayumashu (
talk) 13:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Rename all per nom, unless problems are produced. Seems sensible to me.
Johnbod (
talk) 15:36, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
rename all This seems a reasonable pattern.
Hmains (
talk) 23:26, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
While I agree with the basic goal of avoiding the implication that all people of these areas are citizens of the country in which the region lies, I think I prefer the style of, for example,
Category:People by county in Norway over
Category:People by Norwegian county. Why do we even use the "Fooian" as an adjective when it's easy enough to rephrase it as "county in Norway" or "state in the United States", for example? This would also solve the problem of those who fine the adjectives "obscure", which is a continual issue.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 03:02, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
I agree with Good Olfactory regarding the disdain for adjectives. Rename to People by xxxx in Country.
Neier (
talk) 00:30, 8 July 2008 (UTC)reply
I agree with the Nominator's rationale, but I agree with
Good Ol’factory about the adjectives. Result would be that half a dozen on the list would not change, but those that incorrectly imply race or citizenship would have those elements removed. HOWEVER, I disagree with the use of "American". Brazil has 26 American states, for example, and the
Organization of American States covers quite a few, mostly outside USA. Why not use the well-defined term "
U.S. state", as in the subcategory
Category:Lists of people by U.S. state? And the Welsh - er - people of Wales are not all in counties (see
Local government in Wales), so how about "by unitary authority" (22) or "preserved county" (8)?
Robin Patterson (
talk) 15:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)reply
As one who has previously quibbled about
Marshallese and
Equatoguinean (which I have now mastered, just in time for
Simon Mann's equatoguinean incarceration) I am delighted to support the People by xxxx in Country suggestion of Goodolf's. As a further quibble ...
oblast is obscure, to me at least. I have no objection to finding 'oblast' in an article but can we not use an alternative in traditional English for titles of articles and catgories?
-- roundhouse0 (
talk) 16:54, 8 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Oblast is pretty generally used in English in discussing these countries, here & outside. Anyway, what would you call them? Not states & they are often too small to be provinces.
Johnbod (
talk) 17:08, 8 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Not used here in Derbyshire, as far as I know. Is English wikipedia not supposed to be accessible to someone in say Nigeria whose 2nd or 3rd language is English? I'd use Province and define oblast at the top of the article/category – I approve entirely of
Provinces of Bulgaria. The article is actually
Administrative divisions of Ukraine. (
Voivodeship sejmik is worse.)
-- roundhouse0 (
talk) 17:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Rename to "People by [political unit] in [larger political unit]", not per nom (I share the above frustration with clunky, non-obvious demonyms). —
CharlotteWebb 18:49, 11 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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Missing film lists
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The result of the discussion was:rename all.
Kbdank71 16:40, 14 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: - Categorization for these
WikiProject Films red link lists is currently all over the place; duplicate categories exist, category naming is haphazard, and use of "WikiProject Missing Film" implies that there is a WikiProject by that name. Having a seperate category for the Australia lists smacks of overcategorization. Proposed scheme reorganises these into a single parent cat and two appropriately named subcats based on their contents.
PC78 (
talk) 03:25, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
It's not really complicated - the country and decade lists are already categorized separately; this proposal simply renames them and groups them under a single parent category, whre at present there are two parent cats. But if you really wanted to simplyfy it, I don't have a problem with dumping everything into
Category:WikiProject Films missing article lists and deleting the rest.
Category:Missing film articles isn't really an appropriate category name - it's ambiguous with
Category:Lost films, and is for article lists, not actual articles.
PC78 (
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Podlachian Voivodeship
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The result of the discussion was:rename.
Kbdank71 13:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Rename - "Podlachian" is a term invented by EN.WP. The correct name in English, according to the Polish government and the EU, is Podlaskie (see
Talk:Podlaskie Voivodeship for references.
Comment. Merged these very similar nominations --
EliyakT·
C 03:58, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Remark Has the word
Voivodeship been slipped into the English language when I wasn't looking? Why are we not using 'Province'? See eg
Category:Provinces. (There is 'Oblast' in the cfd above as well.)
-- roundhouse0 (
talk) 20:57, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Support per nom. And voivodeship certainly appears in various English dictionaries.--
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Category:Dutch baseball managers
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The result of the discussion was:merge, without prejudice to recreation if other articles are written/found.
Kbdank71 16:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Merge - single-item category with unlikely growth potential. Not part of a wider Baseball managers by nationality structure.
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Category:Philip Reeve
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus.
Kbdank71 16:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)reply
This raises a wider issue as to the merit of
Category:Categories named after writers. The sample that I have looked at either contain articles on individual works ot a subcategory for such. This has none and should thus be upmerged to the parent category
Category:Writers, but without prejudice to recreation if there is more content for it.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 15:31, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
For categories named after writers, my outlook is the same as for other sorts of eponymous categories, that they should only be created if the material about the writer him- or herself is so complex that the main article can't serve as an appropriate navigational hub. Since we have structures for Works by artist including both Books by author and Novels by author and since an author's article is in all likelihood going to include links to all of his or her literary output, subcats for the authors' works don't mandate an eponymous category.
Otto4711 (
talk) 19:10, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete per all - in fact we already have the 7-strong
Category:Novels by Philip Reeve, but now I see Roundhouse has added the characters sub-cat, so Keep.
Johnbod (
talk) 15:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Much as I hate feeling like a deletionist, there is also {{Hungry City Chronicles}}, which links the world of Philip Reeve together very well.
BencherliteTalk 07:42, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Keep – there's a vast amount of stuff pertaining to this chap (eg fictional organisations, on the template) who is also an illustrator of books (so there are books + images, not on the template), and as he is relatively young (b 1966) I would expect more to accrue. (Do we have tfds on the grounds that there is already an adequate category?)
-- roundhouse0 (
talk) 10:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
We don't keep categories because someday there might be more stuff to go in them.
Otto4711 (
talk) 11:28, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
There is the 'small with no potential for growth' argument, the counter to which is presumably 'there is potential for growth'. So I think we do. In any case there is a $200 mill film of
Larklight in the offing -
see eg here.
-- roundhouse0 (
talk) 11:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Well, no, we keep categories if there is material to put in them, not because there might someday be such material. Articles related to the film adaptation of his works wouldn't go directly in an eponymous category anyway but in an adaptations category, so the existence of the upcoming film is irrelevant.
Otto4711 (
talk) 12:26, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
I don't understand this new doctrine you are trying to push (see Moliere above). Adaptations would be a sub-cat here, and the existence of subcats is a factor in the usefulness of valid parents. If there were such a category, it would certainly be relevant.
Johnbod (
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