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For the sake of clarification; I am the creator of the category.
Stor-Oslo Lokaltrafikk (SL) was a public transport administrator that was merged to form
Ruter as of 1 Jaunary 2008. The category contains all the companies that were under contract with SL for operating public transport in Akershus. Because of this I feel that the category has served its purpose well, but that
Category:Public transport in Akershus is a better way of organising the articles. Perhaps I should have nominated a merger instead. Sorry for the rather non-clarifying rationale. Arsenikk(talk)13:42, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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People from Bolivian cities
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Nominator's rationale:Rename - the disambiguation does not seem necessary. The latter two proposed categories are currently disambiguation pages which lead to categories for Bolivian "departments" (districts), but I think that in other similar cases the addition "(city)" has been deemed unnecesary.
EliyakT·
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keep all for the good disambiguation reasons shown. The purpose of naming is to help the WP reader, not push some abstract theory to be in their way.
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Category:Rappers with adjective names
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Category:The Alcotts
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Delete - although there are at least 2 others,
Louisa May Alcott and her mother
Abby May. I expect Otto can work these into a 'navigational hub' somehow. It is bizarre to have a whole town as a subcat of 'The Alcotts', and the 2 articles 'in' the category are added in an unorthodox fashion.
-- roundhouse0 (
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19:53, 3 July 2008 (UTC)reply
7 family members and a house is more like it, and is probably now a weak keep - nice work, Cgingold (although I had notified the creator already, and you didn't!). If kept, rename per Cgingold.
BencherliteTalk09:15, 4 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment - the articles are all extensively linked through each other and the category is still small with no apparent further growth potential. Listify the contents at
Alcott family and delete the unnecessary category.
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Category:2001 Windows-only games
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Delete Seems to be pointless over categorization. a) Why would anyone be interested that much if a game was available on another platform apart from Windows and b) what about games that start out as Windows only and then get ported to another platform much later. The fact that this category is then broken down further by year strikes me as even stranger. I would get rid of all the platform only categories
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19:56, 4 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose There many thousand Games are already sorted, we simply do not want to see to the consoles multi-platform shit, where the developers often saw only the money and the world market of all systems! --
Fairseeder (
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08:26, 5 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete as ambiguous. Which version of Windows? Do items stay in this category if a later version will run on something other then windows?
Vegaswikian (
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21:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose If something changes, the category also changes, this never was a problem. For every Windows version own category would be exaggerated, many windows has a compatible modus, this is not comparably with the porting on all systems. --
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Category:Windows-only games
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Delete. That a game runs on Windows is defining and notable. That it only runs on Windows is not defining (meaning I don't see the use of browsing the category), and can be deduced from the lack of other-platform categories on the article (meaning it's not useful from the article level).
PowersT15:52, 4 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete Seems to be pointless over categorization. a) Why would anyone be interested that much if a game was available on another platform apart from Windows and b) what about games that start out as Windows only and then get ported to another platform much later. The fact that this category is then broken down further by year strikes me as even stranger
ACarPark (
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19:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC)reply
In fairness, it would almost have to be broken down by year, just due to the sheer number of Windows-only games released.
PowersT03:08, 5 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose This is only few Games which are ported later and exactly then one must remove the category also again! Maybe 1 to 2% the Games, this is no problem! Multiplatform-titles have less the same developing expenditure, how exclusive title. This is no 100% high-class guarantee, however, another way, with maybe other result! --
Fairseeder (
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08:09, 5 July 2008 (UTC)reply
You already made your recommendation (however incoherent it might have been). You don't get to "vote" again.
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Rationale: Unlike "medical specialties", I believe the term "health fields" is far more widely used than "health specialties" (this is borne out by G-hits). Notified creator with {{
subst:cfd-notify}}Cgingold (
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13:30, 3 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Right, I completely forgot to mention that so-called "main article" -- which I'm sure you won't be surprised to learn was written by the very same editor who created the category. Basically, I'm concerned that readers may not grasp that "health specialties" refers to major subject areas, not just narrow sub-divisions.
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Fiorentina people
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Oppose - the club hasn't always been known as ACF Fiorentina (for most of its life it has been AC Fiorentina) - the current name covers all eras, and is unambiguous.
ArtVandelay13 (
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09:40, 3 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Can you provide any past precedent for other categories not using the clubs current name for that reason? –
PeeJay09:50, 3 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Category:Dynamo Dresden players, for example - they have been known as SG Dynamo, 1. FC Dynamo, and now SG again. It's impossible to cover all name changes (like the Small Heath/Birmingham City example below), but when a club's "initials" change, and the name without them is unambiguous, then this works as a solution.
ArtVandelay13 (
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10:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)reply
I'm not suggesting separate categories, but if we can have a generic name that covers all stages of a club's existence, isn't that more accurate?
ArtVandelay13 (
talk)
10:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC)reply
If the generic name unambiguously represents the subject, then it's more encyclopedia, I wouldn't have thought (cf.
WP:COMMONNAME). Being specific is fine, but this category doesn't cover the specifics of Fiorentina post-2002 (and nor should it), so its name can be changed to reflect that.
ArtVandelay13 (
talk)
10:16, 3 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Yes, but there is no such article as
Fiorentina or
AC Fiorentina - I believe categories should always match their parent article title exactly (e.g. Manchester United F.C. players, not Manchester United players).
пﮟოьεԻ5710:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)reply
The subcategories don't even match the parent category, or the other subcategory within the parent category. They should all be the same, regardless of the name we choose, but my opinion is that they should all match the current title of the main article. –
PeeJay12:57, 3 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Support for consistency - considering I don't think anyone has the entire category tree memorized, it's nice to maintain consistency throughout.
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Category:Albums in the 33⅓ series
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. This is not a defining characteristic of the articles so categorized. It seems like a blatant promotional category for the book. I have no idea why
the previous CFD wasn't closed as delete as there are
precedents and
guidelines that support the deletion of this category.
☑ SamuelWantman07:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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Category:UTSPH alumni
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Category:Jewish conservatives & Category:Jewish American conservatives
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The result of the discussion was:delete, no merge. Jc37 brings up a valid point about needing sources, which is difficult if not impossible with categories; a referenced list would work better to satisfy BLP.
Kbdank7119:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose merge per DGG Why only Republicans? Are there no conservative Jewish Democrats? And where does Senator Liebermann fit? And what about Jewish convervatives in other countries, where there are no Republicans?--
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Delete: far too simple-minded of a category, the nominator is right to strive for a more objective standard of inclusion, but even that seems to carry a ticturn of folly- why do you even need such a category to begin with- what purpose does it serve the reader?--
Mike Russell01:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete (Listify with
verifiablereliable sources, if wanted) - This is merely another "supports/opposes" issue category (see also
WP:OC#OPINION). In this case, it's a subjective grouping of issues. What a "
conservative" is, varies depending on location, and in some cases, per person.
Conservatism: "It is difficult to define the term precisely because different cultures have different established values and, in consequence, conservatives in different cultures have differing goals." This just cries out for references/citations (see also
WP:BLP), which, of course isn't possible in a category in this case (see also
WP:CLS). -
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Category:People from Sapnish Fork, Utah
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For the sake of clarification; I am the creator of the category.
Stor-Oslo Lokaltrafikk (SL) was a public transport administrator that was merged to form
Ruter as of 1 Jaunary 2008. The category contains all the companies that were under contract with SL for operating public transport in Akershus. Because of this I feel that the category has served its purpose well, but that
Category:Public transport in Akershus is a better way of organising the articles. Perhaps I should have nominated a merger instead. Sorry for the rather non-clarifying rationale. Arsenikk(talk)13:42, 6 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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People from Bolivian cities
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Nominator's rationale:Rename - the disambiguation does not seem necessary. The latter two proposed categories are currently disambiguation pages which lead to categories for Bolivian "departments" (districts), but I think that in other similar cases the addition "(city)" has been deemed unnecesary.
EliyakT·
C20:03, 3 July 2008 (UTC)reply
keep all for the good disambiguation reasons shown. The purpose of naming is to help the WP reader, not push some abstract theory to be in their way.
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Category:Songs from Paris
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Category:Rappers with adjective names
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Category:The Alcotts
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Delete - although there are at least 2 others,
Louisa May Alcott and her mother
Abby May. I expect Otto can work these into a 'navigational hub' somehow. It is bizarre to have a whole town as a subcat of 'The Alcotts', and the 2 articles 'in' the category are added in an unorthodox fashion.
-- roundhouse0 (
talk)
19:53, 3 July 2008 (UTC)reply
7 family members and a house is more like it, and is probably now a weak keep - nice work, Cgingold (although I had notified the creator already, and you didn't!). If kept, rename per Cgingold.
BencherliteTalk09:15, 4 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Comment - the articles are all extensively linked through each other and the category is still small with no apparent further growth potential. Listify the contents at
Alcott family and delete the unnecessary category.
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Category:2001 Windows-only games
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Delete Seems to be pointless over categorization. a) Why would anyone be interested that much if a game was available on another platform apart from Windows and b) what about games that start out as Windows only and then get ported to another platform much later. The fact that this category is then broken down further by year strikes me as even stranger. I would get rid of all the platform only categories
ACarPark (
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19:56, 4 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose There many thousand Games are already sorted, we simply do not want to see to the consoles multi-platform shit, where the developers often saw only the money and the world market of all systems! --
Fairseeder (
talk)
08:26, 5 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete as ambiguous. Which version of Windows? Do items stay in this category if a later version will run on something other then windows?
Vegaswikian (
talk)
21:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose If something changes, the category also changes, this never was a problem. For every Windows version own category would be exaggerated, many windows has a compatible modus, this is not comparably with the porting on all systems. --
Fairseeder (
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04:35, 10 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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Category:Windows-only games
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Delete. That a game runs on Windows is defining and notable. That it only runs on Windows is not defining (meaning I don't see the use of browsing the category), and can be deduced from the lack of other-platform categories on the article (meaning it's not useful from the article level).
PowersT15:52, 4 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete Seems to be pointless over categorization. a) Why would anyone be interested that much if a game was available on another platform apart from Windows and b) what about games that start out as Windows only and then get ported to another platform much later. The fact that this category is then broken down further by year strikes me as even stranger
ACarPark (
talk)
19:54, 4 July 2008 (UTC)reply
In fairness, it would almost have to be broken down by year, just due to the sheer number of Windows-only games released.
PowersT03:08, 5 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose This is only few Games which are ported later and exactly then one must remove the category also again! Maybe 1 to 2% the Games, this is no problem! Multiplatform-titles have less the same developing expenditure, how exclusive title. This is no 100% high-class guarantee, however, another way, with maybe other result! --
Fairseeder (
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08:09, 5 July 2008 (UTC)reply
You already made your recommendation (however incoherent it might have been). You don't get to "vote" again.
PowersT14:03, 5 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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Category:Health specialties
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Rationale: Unlike "medical specialties", I believe the term "health fields" is far more widely used than "health specialties" (this is borne out by G-hits). Notified creator with {{
subst:cfd-notify}}Cgingold (
talk)
13:30, 3 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Right, I completely forgot to mention that so-called "main article" -- which I'm sure you won't be surprised to learn was written by the very same editor who created the category. Basically, I'm concerned that readers may not grasp that "health specialties" refers to major subject areas, not just narrow sub-divisions.
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Fiorentina people
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Oppose - the club hasn't always been known as ACF Fiorentina (for most of its life it has been AC Fiorentina) - the current name covers all eras, and is unambiguous.
ArtVandelay13 (
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09:40, 3 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Can you provide any past precedent for other categories not using the clubs current name for that reason? –
PeeJay09:50, 3 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Category:Dynamo Dresden players, for example - they have been known as SG Dynamo, 1. FC Dynamo, and now SG again. It's impossible to cover all name changes (like the Small Heath/Birmingham City example below), but when a club's "initials" change, and the name without them is unambiguous, then this works as a solution.
ArtVandelay13 (
talk)
10:08, 3 July 2008 (UTC)reply
I'm not suggesting separate categories, but if we can have a generic name that covers all stages of a club's existence, isn't that more accurate?
ArtVandelay13 (
talk)
10:05, 3 July 2008 (UTC)reply
If the generic name unambiguously represents the subject, then it's more encyclopedia, I wouldn't have thought (cf.
WP:COMMONNAME). Being specific is fine, but this category doesn't cover the specifics of Fiorentina post-2002 (and nor should it), so its name can be changed to reflect that.
ArtVandelay13 (
talk)
10:16, 3 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Yes, but there is no such article as
Fiorentina or
AC Fiorentina - I believe categories should always match their parent article title exactly (e.g. Manchester United F.C. players, not Manchester United players).
пﮟოьεԻ5710:27, 3 July 2008 (UTC)reply
The subcategories don't even match the parent category, or the other subcategory within the parent category. They should all be the same, regardless of the name we choose, but my opinion is that they should all match the current title of the main article. –
PeeJay12:57, 3 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Support for consistency - considering I don't think anyone has the entire category tree memorized, it's nice to maintain consistency throughout.
ugen64 (
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18:39, 5 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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Category:Albums in the 33⅓ series
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. This is not a defining characteristic of the articles so categorized. It seems like a blatant promotional category for the book. I have no idea why
the previous CFD wasn't closed as delete as there are
precedents and
guidelines that support the deletion of this category.
☑ SamuelWantman07:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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Category:UTSPH alumni
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Category:Jewish conservatives & Category:Jewish American conservatives
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The result of the discussion was:delete, no merge. Jc37 brings up a valid point about needing sources, which is difficult if not impossible with categories; a referenced list would work better to satisfy BLP.
Kbdank7119:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Oppose merge per DGG Why only Republicans? Are there no conservative Jewish Democrats? And where does Senator Liebermann fit? And what about Jewish convervatives in other countries, where there are no Republicans?--
Ambrosius007 (
talk)
17:26, 5 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete: far too simple-minded of a category, the nominator is right to strive for a more objective standard of inclusion, but even that seems to carry a ticturn of folly- why do you even need such a category to begin with- what purpose does it serve the reader?--
Mike Russell01:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Delete (Listify with
verifiablereliable sources, if wanted) - This is merely another "supports/opposes" issue category (see also
WP:OC#OPINION). In this case, it's a subjective grouping of issues. What a "
conservative" is, varies depending on location, and in some cases, per person.
Conservatism: "It is difficult to define the term precisely because different cultures have different established values and, in consequence, conservatives in different cultures have differing goals." This just cries out for references/citations (see also
WP:BLP), which, of course isn't possible in a category in this case (see also
WP:CLS). -
jc3708:02, 9 July 2008 (UTC)reply
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Category:People from Sapnish Fork, Utah
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Category:Corinthos Family
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