Category:Grand Theft Auto songs
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the wub
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There is no need for a category to list songs that are featured on a video game series. If there is a need for it, then I suggest that new categories be created for the songs featured on games such as
Madden NFL and so forth.
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23:42, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Three Point Play
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the wub
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In basketball, a three point play occurs when a player makes a two-point shot despite being fouled, then has the chance to score a third point on a single free throw attempt. In the average game, this happens several times. This category, even if made plural and lowercase, wouldn't be very useful, unless we are going to be writing about individual plays of individual games. —
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Category:Sport by continent
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The result of the debate was keep.
the wub
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- Propose renaming
Category:Children's sport to
Category:Children's sports
- Nominator's Rationale: Rename, In
Category:Sports, the form "Sports" rather than "sport" is conventional, notwithstanding usage in some parts of the world. This is one case where usage should be standardized to make everyone's life easier.
Yechiel
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22:43, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Oppose A blatant attempt to impose American English against Wikipedia policy. This one is particular bad as "Children's sports" reads as though there are separate sports for children.
Mowsbury
08:00, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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- It's a blatant attempt to correct an inconsistency in usage. I would not be particularly troubled if all the categories with "sports" were converted to "sport" instead of vice versa, but I think the current ad hoc naming approach is suboptimal.
Yechiel
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14:55, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Weak oppose the category is a mix of "sport" and "sports" subcategories; I guess we'll just have to live with it that way.
Carlossuarez46
18:26, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Oppose Note that those categories that use "sports" as a plural are correct in all forms of English, so it is not the case that American English predominates.
Aviara
02:32, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Support per
Aviara. If that is the neutral form then it should be used rather then what is clearly a UK form.
Vegaswikian
20:07, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Oppose "Sports" is not neutral, it is American English except where it is used as a plural to refer to several sports, which does not apply here. This category does not contain articles about a number of sports which are played only by children, it contains article about sport as played by children.
Nathanian
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Category:Muslim musicians
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Angus McLellan
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Delete, per previous discussion of
Category:Muslim actors and also per
intersections by ethnicity, religion, or sexual preference.
Spellcast
20:57, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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*Keep per the numerous similar categories we have on wikipedia.--
Sefringle
05:21, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Speedy delete recreation per
Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_April_16#Category:Muslim_musicians and merge appropriate entries into
Category:Performers of Islamic music.
Doczilla
05:58, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Speedy delete, do not merge - Categorization of performers by their religion itself is inappropriate, as religion may have nothing to do with the average musician's performance. (This should also apply to
Category:Jewish musicians in my opinion.) However, categorizing musicians by the type of music that they perform is appropriate, which is why
Category:Performers of Islamic music exists. (This should also apply to
Category:Performers of Jewish music in my opinion.) This discussion on this category was closed very recently, so the recreation of this category is disruptive. Also, I spent a lot of time cleaning up
Category:Performers of Islamic music (and learning about Islamic music), so I would hate to see
Category:Muslim_musicians merged into
Category:Performers of Islamic music.
Dr. Submillimeter
08:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete as recreation of
deleted content. --
Prove It
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13:21, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete as recreation of deleted stuff.
Carlossuarez46
18:23, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment if this is deleted, we should also delete
Category:Jewish musicians
- Delete Changed vote to delete after I saw it was deleted in previous cfd.--
Sefringle
07:09, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom.
Pavel Vozenilek
22:12, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom.
Egyegy
05:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Super Robot Monkey Team Hyperforce Go!
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Angus McLellan
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Delete - the one article not for a person doesn't need its own category.
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- I agree, but past mass nominations of this sort have tended to bog down into "keep this one, delete that one" and "keep all, too complex to consider all at once" !votes. I'd rather avoid that sort of thing if I can.
Otto4711
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Delete - the category is being used as an improper person by project category. Absent the improperly categorized articles the one remaining article doesn't need its own category.
Otto4711
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Category:American Inventor
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Delete - absent the improperly categorized articles on people associated with the show, the remaining two articles do not need a category to navigate between them.
Otto4711
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Category:Auf Wiedersehen, Pet
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Angus McLellan
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Delete - following cleanup of the category, the remaining material does not warrant it for navigation.
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Request Delete - This category has been around a long time, it hasn't been populated like it was requested. But I have been removing a number of games from it because they have in fact been released in the UK and Europe. It seems that this category could be wrong. From what I can tell there doesn't seem to truly be any video games that are exclusive to North America only. So I think this category should be delete on that note. It is hardly that populated either.
Govvy
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The result of the debate was delete.
Angus McLellan
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Delete - category formerly contained several screen shots for the series and nothing else. I proposed renaming to "Lucky Louie images" to reflect the actual contents. No one else commented on the CFR and it was oddly closed "no consensus." Huh. So I have now recategorized all of the images under
Category:Lucky Louie images which resulted in this category now being empty. So it can be deleted as an empty category.
Otto4711
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Category:United States Navy cruiser subtypes
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Angus McLellan
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Delete. These categories subdivide the United States cruiser categories unnecessarily and are redundant to
Category:Cruisers of the United States. They were all created on May 27. All of this information is best communicated in list form, at
List of United States Navy cruisers. Dividing cruisers into four categories is totally unnecessary.
TomTheHand
12:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete, I think this area is probably categorised enough as it is.
The Land
13:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete, per nom. No need for further subdivision. --
Victor12
13:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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Keep but repurpose. I am concerned about the haste with which some editors are proceeding to delete naval categories without making a wider examination of the confused naval categories. If people want to take action now, then please note that these shops were all part of classes built to fairly standard designs; the individual ships should be removed from these categories, and the relevant classes added a subcategories. --
BrownHairedGirl
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15:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Wikiproject Ships has a detailed
categorization guideline which categorizes these ships as "cruisers." It is not necessary to divide the cruiser category into four subcategories. You appear to be suggesting that we place these ships into categories by class; they are already subdivided in that way.
TomTheHand
15:36, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Thanks for the pointer to
Wikipedia:WikiProject Ships/Categorization, and sorry if I was not clear. What I mean is that these subtype categories should contain only the relevant class categories, as in the following examples using made-up class names
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Category:United States Navy light cruisers to include
Category:Tulip-class cruisers,
Category:Daffodil-class cruisers and no individual articles
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Category:United States Navy heavy cruisers to include
Category:Hamster-class cruisers,
Category:Gerbil-class cruisers and no individual articles.
- However, I think that such any such categories should be called
Category:United States Navy light cruisers classes etc, so my suggestion is basically for a new category. This isn't the place to do that, so I will change my !vote. --
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The result of the debate was rename
Category:Coloreds to
Category:Cape Coloureds.
Angus McLellan
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- Delete, How do we define mixed descent? See also discussion of
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- Comment Does or did the designation "coloured" exist legally anywhere outside S. Africa? If not, would it make sense to rename the category to reflect that it's for people who are/were classified as "coloured" under the S. African legal system?
Otto4711
18:39, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment: however much these people may enjoy applying this term to themselves, it's still potentially quite confusing to an international audience. Although the term is fairly unpopular in the United States and Europe now, it was, for much of the early twentieth century, the politically correct term for persons of African descent with dark skin, and it is still enshrined in the full name of the
NAACP, which is still one of the most influential civil rights groups in the US. Beyond that, there's the issue that every person in the world is colored in the most generic sense (which is partly why the label has lost popularity in the international arena). If the category is kept, I strongly feel that it should be renamed to disambiguate it from more generic (and international) senses of "colored people". Perhaps something like
Category:South African coloureds (I'm assuming that SA actually uses the Commonwealthish spelling, though that should be checked). I also think there's a strong argument for renaming
Coloured, but that's a topic for another day.
Xtifr
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19:45, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete or rename for clarification. There is no way that this can be applied correctly with consistency. The term had a clear American connotation that can be offensive. Without a name that makes the context clear, this must go.
Doczilla
06:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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- I agree with rename;
Category:Cape Coloureds is most specific, but any of those suggested would be ok. My !vote above amended.
Johnbod
13:32, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Rename to any appropriate name that makes explicit the fact that it's a grouping specific to
South Africa. It's a valid and useful term in that context, even as it's problematic elsewhere; make the category ZA-specific and the problem disappears.
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Category:Closed Victoria railway stations
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The result of the debate was {{
listify}}.
Angus McLellan
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10:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
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Delete per many precedents. This isn't the only Roberts family in the world. This isn't the only fictional Roberts family.
Wryspy
07:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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Angus McLellan
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Delete per many precedents. This isn't the only Horton family in the world. This isn't the only fictional Horton family.
Wryspy
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Angus McLellan
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Delete per many precedents. This isn't the only Brady family. This isn't the only fictional Brady family.
Wryspy
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Angus McLellan
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Delete per many, many precedents for deleting these family categories. Don't categorize people by family because other families have that last name too. Don't categorize fictional characters by family name because real families can have that name. Also, it makes them sound like a real family. Per
WP:OC, you can't turn around and start categorizing unrelated people solely on the basis of sharing that name either.
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- The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated, but with importance decapitalized.--
Mike Selinker
15:12, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
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If there's some way to accelerate the process, that would be nice too.
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The result of the debate was delete --
Kbdank71
14:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
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These categories appear on articles, disrupting the reader experience, without serving any benefit, since they are not maintenance categories. Any useful function served by these categories could be served by the whatlinkshere of the relevant templates, without disrupting the category system through the inclusion of non-content categories. (Note that I am not suggesting deletion of the templates.)
Christopher Parham
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05:13, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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- I'd like to see what others think of the notion, but in the absence of any counterarguments, I'd be inclined to support this proposal.
Xtifr
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08:55, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom. These are annoying and uselss categories.
Craig.Scott
12:29, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete These do not need to be categorized.
Yechiel
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15:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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- I would say that some are useful for maintenance, e.g. to establish misplaced tags. Without the category, I would not have been able to ascertain that the vast majority of the articles in
Category:Articles with titles unsupported by Unicode were inappropriately tagged. Especially since there is no way with "what links here" to show only transclusions. I would probably suggest that the Unicode one at least is nuked, but only along with the associated template (a boilerplate message used properly on all of about 3 articles is no good).
81.104.175.145
16:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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- There is a lot of fetishism in general about replicating specific marketing gimmicks. I do think they degrade the credibility of the project. But I don't think this is the appropriate place to go about changing this culture.
Christopher Parham
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17:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom.
Carlossuarez46
18:28, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Partial Keep. The nomination really need to be broken up into three parts
- Sorting/maintenance , this would be the base category (which should be a maintenance category). Because new editor using trial and error editors find {{
wrongtitle}} and these need to be sorted to use the proper templates.
- Javascript hack, this would include the underscore, lowercase, sup/subscripting and other HTML markup. Although, a recent AWB be feature
Smart underscore removal had initially suggested to use the category before coming up with a different method. It should be easy to implement something like that even without the category.
- Unsupportable which are articles that cannot be supported in the software because of the copy and paste requirements. —
Dispenser
03:23, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment - No real opinion on these, except that these sound like "maintenance" categories (more useful to the Project than to readership), and as such (if kept) should be placed on the articles' talk pages. -
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- Keep as per suggestion from Jc37
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The result of the debate was speedy close.
Angus McLellan
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10:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
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Propose: Remove secretary problem from game theory category list. This is not an example of game theory, instead it is an example of decision theory. Therefore it doesn't belong in the game theory category list.
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The result of the debate was delete --
Kbdank71
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Subcat created from
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- I thought there was some utility in having a separate category for
Category:Gay physicians and
Category:Transgender physicians. Both under the
Category:LGBT physicians. If not appropriate, then I don't object to merging both categories into one.
OsteopathicFreak
04:13, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete and someone should nominate
Category:LGBT physicians and any subcats IF these physicians don't work on LGBT issues.
Bulldog123
07:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete both This is just irrelevant point-making.
Category:LGBT rights activists is encyclopedic, but the rest of the LGBT occupational categories are disconnected from the reasons why the subjects have articles.
Craig.Scott
12:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete Both - trivial intersection.
Tarc
14:23, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Merge gay physicians to LGBT physicians, keep the parent - not seeing why categorizing LGBT people by profession is any worse than any other division of people by profession. This is the third or 4th round of these to be nominated recently. If someone has a problem with the category structure, maybe they should consider a blanket nomination instead of this piecemeal approach.
Otto4711
15:51, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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- It's "worse than any other division of people by profession" because it falls afoul of
WP:OCAT#Non-notable intersections by ethnicity, religion, or sexual preference, which other divisions don't. And let's knock off the paranoia while we're at it. These things tend to come in waves because people see one inappropriate category being nominated, and that reminds them of another one they've come across. And every time this happens, there are shouts about how the particular religious/ethnic/sexual preference group-of-the-week is under attack. Frankly, even if it were true, it would be irrelevant, as long as the nominations are justified by policy or guidelines. What's really under attack is the huge numbers of inappropriate categories created by presumably well-meaning but misguided people.
Xtifr
tälk
20:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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- I'm not the slightest bit paranoid, so with all due respect you can cram that back into whatever hole you pulled it out of. I would note that
WP:OCAT does not require that there be no categories for these intersections. Such categories do not automatically "run afoul" of that guideline.
Otto4711
21:43, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete both Irrelevant intersections.
Mowsbury
08:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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- The first category is empty, so it can be speedied. The second category is another grabbag of people who are notable because they do sexuality research, or people who are notable for other LGBT acts who just happen to be physicians. I'm getting tired of all these ownership categories, but in this case it's really clear that none of these people are notable because they are LGBT physicians. Therefore Delete.
Mangoe
13:14, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Upmerge then delete the arguments for deletion seem correct; the people should be upmerged to
Category:LGBT people and
Category:Physicians.
Carlossuarez46
18:31, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete both While some occupations have a reasonably possible link between sexualty and direction of a person's career, such as writing and the arts (as a great deal of art has to do with one's personal sexuality and life experiences), others do not.
Category:LGBT people by occupation should be limited to occupations for which there is a reasonable link between the person's occupation and their sexual preference. In the case of physicians it's not likely such a connection exists. Therefore delete.
Dugwiki
19:29, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete both per
Dugwiki
Greg Grahame
15:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Keep LGBT physicians I really have to take issue with the idea that there's not a "reasonable possible link" between one's sexuality and the direction of one's medical career, and the idea that being Gay and a writer is somehow a more meaningful distinction than being a gay physician. I think it more than arguable that the single biggest impacting factor to GLBT history, rights, and culture in the last 50 years has been the advent of HIV/AIDS - a disease. A disease that disproportionately effects Gay men, largely because Gays and Lesbians are a demographic long overlooked by the medical establishment. Gay physicians have face and continue to face terrible discrimination, medicine is an incredibly conservative field. Their struggle, is the struggle to improve the health of the gay community. It was gay physicians in the APA that fought to have homosexuality removed from the DSM. The entire gay community is facing a mental health crisis, and it is gay physicians and others in the health care field trying to document the situation and get the funding and recognition to have the health of LGBT people given the same import as the health of the "traditional" family.
OsteopathicFreak
20:18, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
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- I agree with your observation, but your conclusion doesn't follow: not all gay physicians have anything to do what you describe; some are just famous m.d.'s doing their heart transplants, brain surgery, podiatry, or whatever, perhaps a
Category:LGBT health activists would be useful, but the mere intersection of sexual orientation and the (very broad) medical profession doesn't seem an appropriate category: can we write an article
LGBT doctoring? I don't think so.
Carlossuarez46
05:29, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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- An LGBT health category would be a very good idea; it could very easily include doctors who have done notable work on LGBT health issues. But a category for doctors who are LGBT doesn't really serve this purpose; not all LGBT doctors work on LGBT health issues, and not all doctors who do work on LGBT health issues are themselves LGBT.
Bearcat
22:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Merge gay physicians to LGBT physicians, keep the parent per Otto4711 and OsteopathicFreak. --
BrownHairedGirl
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19:54, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
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- 'Delete both. Not a defining categorisation.
Pavel Vozenilek
22:25, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete. I'm sure they're all overjoyed at having spent all those years at medical school wrestling over their sexuality only to be pigeonholed for it.
81.104.175.145
02:42, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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-
- Yes, the sexuality of the founder of a national gay rights organization and the founder of an international gay sports festival isn't the slightest bit defining...
Otto4711
04:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Correct. The founders of gay rights organizations will tend to be gay, in much the same way that
POTUS will tend to American. So, your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to demonstrate that "Gay physician" is a defining intersection, by writing an article on them.
WP:OCAT suggests the ability to write such an article as a prerequesite for such intersections.
81.104.175.145
05:03, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
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- I obviously support LGBT occupational categories when the intersection of LGBT and occupation is an encyclopedically significant topic in its own right (e.g. the fact that LGBT literature is recognized as a specific genre of literature validates
Category:LGBT writers, etc.), but I don't think that's the case here — there's nothing inherently encyclopedic about being a gay or lesbian doctor. A general LGBT health category, which could include doctors who are notable specifically for their work on LGBT health issues, makes sense to me, but this grouping doesn't. Delete per
WP:CATGRS.
Bearcat
22:32, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated; if when complete, someone wants to create a jewish specific category, please do so --
Kbdank71
14:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Propose renaming
Category:Pogroms to
Category:Ethnic riots
- Nominator's Rationale: Rename,
Pogrom has a specific meaning and categorizing historically unrelated events as "pogroms" only creates confusion. It is my opinion that if we are to have a pogrom category, then only anti-Jewish riots in the historical European context should be included. Thus, riots against other groups would be excluded, such as at
Sumgait, as well as riots against Jews outside of the historical European context, such as at
Hebron. The proposed alternative term is "ethnic riot", as used by ethnic conflict specialist
Donald Horowitz and discussed in
this article. Another possibility I suppose would be "ethnic and religious riots" (though I understand the term "ethnic riot" to generally include religiously-motivated violence).
Pharos
03:46, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment: the word itself has come to have a much broader meaning in modern English than you suggest. Nevertheless, I agree that the potential for confusion exists. I also wonder if "Ethnic massacres" might not be more appropriate than "Ethnic riots"? When I hear the latter, I tend to think of things like the
Watts Riots or the
1992 Los Angeles riots. I also think your idea of limiting the category is plausible. Even though the word does have a broader meaning today, it is still primarily used as you suggest. I'm just not sure what the best solution is yet.
Xtifr
tälk
09:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Rename (see end) I agree if pogrom is used it should be restricted to anti-Jewish riots in the modern period. In my view, the nominator is clearly wrong to say: "I understand the term "ethnic riot" to generally include religiously-motivated violence" - that may work for anti-Jewish riots, but becomes very dubious for the many serious Indian ones, and collapses completely in post-Reformation Europe -
Popish Plot,
Gordon Riots,
St. Bartholomew's Day massacre etc. Hardly any of these are in this category, & the St. Bartholomew's Day massacre is not yet in any non-French category of this type, so maybe there is a real need for a category of this sort. Splitting ethnic & religious riots is clearly impossible, so I think it should be Rename to
Category:Ethnic and religious riots. Currently
Category:Riots has a "by country" & "by year" structure, but not much by type beyond sport, music & so on.
Category:Religious riots has one article - that should be merged with this one.
Johnbod
21:31, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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Opposesee responsive comment below an umbrella category for Ethnic & religious riots may be created, and the items that properly belong there rather than Pogroms in its original meaning should be moved, but Pogroms seem to be a distinctive enough subset to retain categorization. Otherwise, some would argue (plausibly) that what do the
1992 Los Angeles riots have to do with
Kristallnacht?
Carlossuarez46
18:36, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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- I wouldn't object to a sub-cat for pogroms (being anti-Jewish riots in the modern period) but the current contents come from all times, places & peoples. It is better to rename this & then separate out to a new sub-cat, perhaps: "anti-Jewish pogroms" to avoid ambiguity.
Johnbod
21:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Is that more easily accomplished by creating an umbrella to this one, depopulating this except for those anti-Jewish ones that we want kept in something called "pogroms" (or something like it) by moving those articles to the umbrella, or by renaming this and then creating a new subcat as you describe? The end result I can agree with, whichever is the easier to do.
Carlossuarez46
05:23, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Having checked most of them quickly they seem split about 50/50, so I suppose it's about the same; I think this needs renaming for clarity anyway.
Johnbod
21:23, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was keep.
the wub
"?!"
14:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
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-
Category:Cruisers of the United States to
Category:Cruisers of the United States Navy
Merge. We don't need two categories to cover this. Merging can wait for the outcome of the discussions.
Vegaswikian
01:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Keep for now. Per my comments at
CfD for Category:United States Navy heavy cruisers, there are two parallel hierarchies for naval ships:
Category:Ships by navy and
Category:Naval ships by country. The fate of these two overlapping hierarchies should be considered more widely before picking off individual categories, but the two hierarchies are being used differently: one appears to subdivide types of ship my class, whereas the other doesn't. This is a big mess, but an hasty merger of one of the relevant categories is not the way to resolve it. As proposed yesterday, I suggest that a broader discussion of the very confused naval ships category should be urgently undertaken, rather than making piecemeal changes before we have considered the whole. --
BrownHairedGirl
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contribs)
08:59, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Keep. Agree completely with BrownHairedGirl; if any merging is to occur, the entire hierarchies should be merged. I would personally prefer merging in the other direction so that ships are categorized by country, but all past attempts to merge one hierarchy into the other have just resulted in bickering and no consensus.
TomTheHand
11:07, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Keep As per BrownHairedGirl amd TomTheHand. Let's get this agreed upon at WP:Ship and the Maritime History Taskgroup before making any decision. ==
Harlsbottom
15:19, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Keep. The redundancy of the dual category system is useful and should not be gotten rid of. Countries and Navies have come and gone over the years, and it is not always entirely possible to exclude one at the price of the other. (Think, Imperial Russia, Soviet Union, Modern Russia. Think, Imperial China, Nationalist China, Communist China, Taiwan etc.)
Emoscopes
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19:14, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
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