April 3
Category:Liverpool Catholic Bishops
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The result of the debate was Rename to
Category:Archbishops of Liverpool (Roman Catholic). I looked at the parent category and this was the normal form and the more proper way to dab the name.
Vegaswikian 02:43, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Propose renaming
Category:Liverpool Catholic Bishops to
Category:Roman Catholic Archbishops of Liverpool
- Nominator's Rationale: Rename. Reason: accuracy.
Brandon97 21:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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*OpposeRename Judging by
Category:Roman Catholic archbishops by diocese, the norm is "Archbishops in Foo," which is less wordy and it doesn't appear that specifying RC is necessary. I also think they all should be changed to read the same, unless there's some compelling reason for exceptions.
bobanny 06:32, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment - I recall that in another discussion on a category for Anglican clergy in Liverpool, the addition of "Anglican" was suggested to disambiguate between the Anglican and Roman Catholics with the same title. Is that the case here? Does the Anglican church have archbishops in Liverpool?
Dr. Submillimeter 08:25, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Rename per nom. The qualification is necessary because the Anglican Church is the primary church in England.
Abberley2 11:58, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Fair enough. I changed my vote and added it to
Category:Liverpool, where there is a
Category:Anglican Bishops of Liverpool.
bobanny 15:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Rename - Even if the Anglican church does not have an archbishop in Liverpool, the words "Roman Catholic" are probably useful for disambiguation anyway.
Dr. Submillimeter 22:29, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Another quibble: does "Archbishops" need to be uppercase?
bobanny 00:17, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Nature of Azerbaijan
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The result of the debate was merge
Category:Nature of Azerbaijan to
Category:Environment of Azerbaijan.
Angus McLellan
(Talk) 10:06, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Nature of Azerbaijan to
Category:Environment of Azerbaijan
- Merge, well-intentioned by non-standard and superfluous category. Most of the article should already be in subcategories of the environment category.
Abberley2 18:56, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Merge, after a quick glance, I believe that is the correct instruction.
TonyTheTiger (
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- Merge
Lakers 20:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Merge per above.
Doczilla 07:29, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:List of Italian sportspeople
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The result of the debate was Rename to
Category:Lists of Italian sportspeople.
Vegaswikian 02:47, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:List of Italian sportspeople - single entry category. It "seems" to be a part of a larger categorisation structure, but I'm not certain. If not, it should be deleted:
Wikipedia:Overcategorization#Non-notable intersections by ethnicity, religion, or sexual preference. If kept, it should be speedily renamed (List > Lists), speedy criteria #3. -
jc37 13:50, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:List of Dhoom Machaao Dhoom episodes
Category:List of architects by country
Category:List of urban debate leagues
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The result of the debate was rename
Category:List of urban debate leagues to
Category:Urban debate leagues.
Angus McLellan
(Talk) 10:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Rename
Category:List of urban debate leagues to
Category:Urban debate leagues - Needs to at least have "List of" removed from its name : ) -
jc37 13:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Rename - as nominator. Possibly speedy? -
jc37 13:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- The way you are setting out your nominations, it looks like you are voting twice.
Nathanian 18:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Rename per nom.
Nathanian 18:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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Flops
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The result of the debate was delete all.
Angus McLellan
(Talk) 10:13, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Film flops (
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Either delete all as POV/subjective or rename and rework the definitions in some fashion to match the parent category
Category:Commercial failures and avoid POV in inclusion.
Otto4711 12:43, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Is "Box office bomb" too POV for a rename? --
Lenin and McCarthy | (
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- Delete all. POV/subjective and per
the talk page. Perhaps some of this could be in a list, but not in a category since it can't list any references or even explanation.
- Delete all - After reading through some of the items, I came to the conclusion that "flop" is simply being used as a POV term. Some of these features are low-budget, poor quality features that still make a profit anyway. Others are large-budget features that are critically panned and that lose money (e.g.
Waterworld). Some features are actually OK but just lose money (e.g.
Treasure Planet). Given how loosely the term "flop" is applied, these should all be deleted.
Dr. Submillimeter 15:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per
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Nathanian 18:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete mainly due to preference that categories be fairly definitive and complete.
TonyTheTiger (
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- Delete all as vague, subjective, useless.
Doczilla 07:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete all Flops is too subjective a term to be used for criteria category or list inclusion. I might be ok, though, with something like "Category:Films that never earned a profit". Such a category would likely house all or almost all the films people consider "flops", and it would be based on something that is potentially verifiable (ie ticket sales vs production costs). It also would probably include some films that received critical praise but which, for one reason or another, didn't sell well at the box office.
Dugwiki 15:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete All Arbitrary definition, too open to interpretation to be standardized. I like Dugwiki's suggestion of a "Holy shit we lost a lot of money" category (though I'd suggest his name for it over mine).
EVula //
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- Delete all, and possibly listify. Some films that fail to break even make a sizeable profit in the international market or on video, but are generally considered "flops" in terms of the original domestic theatrical release. -
Sean Curtin 03:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Television flops
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The result of the debate was delete.
Angus McLellan
(Talk) 10:14, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Television flops (
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Delete as essentially a recreation of the deleted "Short-lived television series" category.
Otto4711 12:37, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete - See my comments in the nomination above. Some of these may be critically approved but may have received low ratings. Others may be both critically panned and low-rated shows. Grouping them together is inappropriate.
Dr. Submillimeter 15:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per
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Nathanian 18:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete Flops is too subjective. I might be ok with something like "Category:Television series cancelled prior to completing their first season". That would be something that is objective and verifiable and which would probably include a number of shows generally considered ratings "flops" (not necessarily critical flops).
Dugwiki 15:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment Note that "short-lived television series" was actually created as a well-defined (just not well-titled) alternative for this category with this intend.
[1] (But it got deleted anyway.) –
Chip Zero 16:07, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete fairly arbitrary. Ran across this when someone tried putting
Firefly (TV series) into the category, which has
so far been met with very little support.
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- Delete - arbitrary and subjective; kinda like Dugwiki's suggestion, though. --
Orange Mike 23:27, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete. Arbitrary and POV. –
Chip Zero 16:07, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Soft drink flops
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The result of the debate was delete.
Angus McLellan
(Talk) 10:15, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Propose renaming
Category:Soft drink flops to
Category:Soft drink commercial failures
- Nominator's Rationale: Rename - to match the parent category
Category:Commercial failures and remove the POV word "flop."
Otto4711 12:31, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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Rename - The suggested rename will work here (unlike the rename for the films and TV categories).
Dr. Submillimeter 15:48, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete - Upon further review, it appears that the entire
Category:Commercial failures category tree functions the same as the "flops" category above. The categories could potentially sweep up all sorts of unrelated things (things that were only limited commercial successes, things that were successes in one country but not another, things that were critically panned but still profitable, etc.). This category and the parent should probably be deleted.
Dr. Submillimeter 22:36, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete and also review
Category:Commercial failures and its subcategories for deletion Personally I think the whole "flop" thing is too subjective to be used as an inclusion criteria. I would say delete this category and also review the parent category,
Category:Commercial failures and its other subcategories for possible deletion. (That of course would require a seperate cfd nomination).
Dugwiki 15:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Rock
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The result of the debate was merge
Category:Rock to
Category:Rock music.
Angus McLellan
(Talk) 10:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Rock to
Category:Rock music
- Merge, shouldn't this be a redirect?
Elle Bee 12:09, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Redirect
Nathanian 18:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Merge/Redirect Under what circumstances are category redirects appropriate?
TonyTheTiger (
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- When we expect people to often use the category they shouldn't use, we add a category redirect to stop the category from being created over and over again. —
coel
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- Well, if we leave a redirect, it should probably be to
Category:Rocks.
Vegaswikian 06:04, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Redirect sounds right. —
coel
acan — 22:47, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Merge, dubious on redirect, since it could also be used instead of
Category:Rocks (and is in fact used on one article that belongs there).
Mairi 04:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Merge/Redirect My guess is that someone looking for "Rock" is more likely looking for Rock music than the geology kind, given the amount of pop culture on Wikipedia, but perhaps a dab note would also be appropriate either way. Alternatively it could redirect to
Category:Cocaine; that's what people looking for Rock are usually after where I live. >8=!
bobanny 06:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Dab on a category doesn't work very well, as a lot of people don't check the contents of a category when they use it. Category redirects are only useful because bots patrol them and move articles to the target category automatically, but a dab will just gather dust. Better to just delete and redlink it if there's no consensus for one redirect over another; the redlink will discourage most people from using it (someone will recreate it, though, and then it's
G4 time). —
coel
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- Keep as companion to
Category:Paper and
Category:Scissors. Just kidding, Merge/Redirect.
Otto4711 13:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Nice one, LMAO. But how would you decide which ones should be subcategories?
bobanny 16:46, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Theaters in Russia
Category:Maps showing 20th-century history
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The result of the debate was delete.
Angus McLellan
(Talk) 10:22, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
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Delete, Very misleading category name since not all of the maps in it's subcategories fit the definition of the cat name. Plus I believe this is overcategorization.
Woohookitty
Woohoo! 11:03, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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Category:NRHP Multiple Property Submissions
Category:Tau Kappa Epsilon brothers
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The result of the debate was delete.
Angus McLellan
(Talk) 10:25, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
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Delete I thought these had all been deleted already. This is not a defining characteristic. No-one has an article because they belonged to a student fraternity.
Haddiscoe 01:51, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete. Ack! You found another one. Probably a few more hiding out there too. This one is, like all the rest were, non-defining indeed. —
coel
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- Delete per above. Don't categorize people by every single membership they have.
Doczilla 05:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete - People are generally not notable for their fraternity memberships or for other affiliations or achievements at the undergraduate level (except for sports achievements). People are instead notable for their achievements after college. Note that several other fraternity categories still exist.
Dr. Submillimeter 08:25, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per
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Nathanian 18:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete I think we have been through this before with frats.
TonyTheTiger (
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- Delete per nom.
Abberley2 12:00, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete as non-defining.
youngamerican (
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- Delete per everyone above and/or logic. It's okay to mention it in an article, but it certainly isn't a defining characteristic.
EVula //
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