The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 00:42, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was keep. Timrollpickering 00:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
I am nominating the three for deletion after having endured the spam like paste of these categories to a wide range of biographies. I propose that the sub-categories listed under these article should redirect either to "Cat:Islam" or "Cat:Christianity" by, for example, redirecting Cat:Islamic scholars to Cat:Islam directly, or to Cat:Islamic theology which would in turn be a sub of Cat:Islam.
I understand the underlying argument behind these categories, however I also think that they are arbitrary and not appropriate for Wikipedia. If someone is a theologian, then he should be listed under cat:Islamic scholars/etc or cat:Christian scholars/etc which would in turn sub the main Christianity and Islam cats, not simply by saying "cat:Muslims" or "cat:Christian people". These cats are simply becoming nothing more than spam as they are now. Wikipedia is getting bigger every minute, and, even though these categories might have served something three years ago, I only see the potential of them becoming some sort of unmanageable Frankesteins. More so because they spawn other inappropriate categories like Muslim musicians etc. Why not also create Cat:left-handed musicians, Cat:Blonde musicians, Cat:Capitalist musicians, Cat:Communist musicians, Cat:Liberal musicians etc and paste them all over biographies? That's the problem: the cats should serve a purpose, they shouldn't be the yellow pages for any sort of classification that comes to mind. But moreover, unlike nationality-based categories, whose criteria for inclusion is pretty straightforward, such belief based cats group completely irrelevant biographies based on people's undefined beliefs. "Cat:Irish musicians" might make sense, since those people share something that is very fundamental in their lives: Music, and it is pretty easy to determine someone's nationality, and to a lesser extent, ethnicity. Even though many people consider religion to be something fundamental in their lives as well, I just cannot see why a Senegalese football player and a Turkish pianist would need to be categorized together. Not to mention the fact that certain inclusions of these categories might break WP:BIO rules, particularly for living persons.
The case-by-case solution is also not workable in my opinion. I have been spending a lot of time in the last months to track down users who have been inappropriately adding these cats to certain biographies without any regard for the contents of the biography itself. As I said, Wikipedia is getting bigger by the minute and it is becoming harder to track down such small changes. I know of anons who insist on pasting these categories over and over and over again across a wide range of articles without bringing any sort of source acceptable per WP:BIO, particularly for living people.
So, I propose that these categories be deleted, and the categories listed as sub to be redirected directly under more appropriate academic titles like "X scholars", "X theology" or "X theologians" etc and link them directly under the religion cats and/or find/create suitable and more appropriate categories for the rest of the sub-categories to be included. I would also be willing to work on that transition. Baristarim 19:34, 26 December 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was merge. Timrollpickering 00:59, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was speedy deleted. Mairi 00:59, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 00:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
Violates NPOV, hopelessly vague and would include entire epochs of history until modern times. Bloodofox
The result of the debate was replaced with Category:Suicides by methods nomination. Circeus 19:16, 27 December 2006 (UTC) Trivia. Categories are not intended to serve as an online database. Pavel Vozenilek 16:52, 26 December 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was keep. Timrollpickering 01:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
Empty duplicate of more established category Category:Football managers by team Qwghlm 15:34, 26 December 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was merge. Timrollpickering 01:02, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was merge/delete. Timrollpickering 01:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was speedy deleted by Duja. Whisp e ring 18:22, 26 December 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was keep. Timrollpickering 00:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
No need to categorise bishops by gender Tim! 10:06, 26 December 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 00:48, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
No need to categorise astronauts by gender. Tim! 10:01, 26 December 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was merge. Timrollpickering 01:05, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was keep. Timrollpickering 01:03, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 00:39, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 00:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
Delete. A category for a wrestling promotion that didn't last long. There is likely to be no more articles for it, and the 3 articles in it currently: all have good categories for them. This is a good example of category "cruft" if such a thing exists. The logic of "other promotions have categories so this should too" doesn't apply to this much, in my opinion. RobJ1981 01:33, 26 December 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was speedy delete typo in category name; empty. Kimchi. sg 18:31, 26 December 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 00:42, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was keep. Timrollpickering 00:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
I am nominating the three for deletion after having endured the spam like paste of these categories to a wide range of biographies. I propose that the sub-categories listed under these article should redirect either to "Cat:Islam" or "Cat:Christianity" by, for example, redirecting Cat:Islamic scholars to Cat:Islam directly, or to Cat:Islamic theology which would in turn be a sub of Cat:Islam.
I understand the underlying argument behind these categories, however I also think that they are arbitrary and not appropriate for Wikipedia. If someone is a theologian, then he should be listed under cat:Islamic scholars/etc or cat:Christian scholars/etc which would in turn sub the main Christianity and Islam cats, not simply by saying "cat:Muslims" or "cat:Christian people". These cats are simply becoming nothing more than spam as they are now. Wikipedia is getting bigger every minute, and, even though these categories might have served something three years ago, I only see the potential of them becoming some sort of unmanageable Frankesteins. More so because they spawn other inappropriate categories like Muslim musicians etc. Why not also create Cat:left-handed musicians, Cat:Blonde musicians, Cat:Capitalist musicians, Cat:Communist musicians, Cat:Liberal musicians etc and paste them all over biographies? That's the problem: the cats should serve a purpose, they shouldn't be the yellow pages for any sort of classification that comes to mind. But moreover, unlike nationality-based categories, whose criteria for inclusion is pretty straightforward, such belief based cats group completely irrelevant biographies based on people's undefined beliefs. "Cat:Irish musicians" might make sense, since those people share something that is very fundamental in their lives: Music, and it is pretty easy to determine someone's nationality, and to a lesser extent, ethnicity. Even though many people consider religion to be something fundamental in their lives as well, I just cannot see why a Senegalese football player and a Turkish pianist would need to be categorized together. Not to mention the fact that certain inclusions of these categories might break WP:BIO rules, particularly for living persons.
The case-by-case solution is also not workable in my opinion. I have been spending a lot of time in the last months to track down users who have been inappropriately adding these cats to certain biographies without any regard for the contents of the biography itself. As I said, Wikipedia is getting bigger by the minute and it is becoming harder to track down such small changes. I know of anons who insist on pasting these categories over and over and over again across a wide range of articles without bringing any sort of source acceptable per WP:BIO, particularly for living people.
So, I propose that these categories be deleted, and the categories listed as sub to be redirected directly under more appropriate academic titles like "X scholars", "X theology" or "X theologians" etc and link them directly under the religion cats and/or find/create suitable and more appropriate categories for the rest of the sub-categories to be included. I would also be willing to work on that transition. Baristarim 19:34, 26 December 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was merge. Timrollpickering 00:59, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was speedy deleted. Mairi 00:59, 27 December 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 00:40, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
Violates NPOV, hopelessly vague and would include entire epochs of history until modern times. Bloodofox
The result of the debate was replaced with Category:Suicides by methods nomination. Circeus 19:16, 27 December 2006 (UTC) Trivia. Categories are not intended to serve as an online database. Pavel Vozenilek 16:52, 26 December 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was keep. Timrollpickering 01:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
Empty duplicate of more established category Category:Football managers by team Qwghlm 15:34, 26 December 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was merge. Timrollpickering 01:02, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was merge/delete. Timrollpickering 01:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was speedy deleted by Duja. Whisp e ring 18:22, 26 December 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was keep. Timrollpickering 00:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
No need to categorise bishops by gender Tim! 10:06, 26 December 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 00:48, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
No need to categorise astronauts by gender. Tim! 10:01, 26 December 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was merge. Timrollpickering 01:05, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was keep. Timrollpickering 01:03, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 00:39, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was delete. Timrollpickering 00:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC) reply
Delete. A category for a wrestling promotion that didn't last long. There is likely to be no more articles for it, and the 3 articles in it currently: all have good categories for them. This is a good example of category "cruft" if such a thing exists. The logic of "other promotions have categories so this should too" doesn't apply to this much, in my opinion. RobJ1981 01:33, 26 December 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was speedy delete typo in category name; empty. Kimchi. sg 18:31, 26 December 2006 (UTC) reply