The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated -- Kbdank71 16:01, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Now that category:Wikipedians by interest is cleaned up, here are some stragglers.
Check these categories’ ubercategories for styles (though I couldn’t quite shoehorn the sewing category into category:Wikipedian sewers for obvious reasons). I still haven’t found the determination to tackle the international rugby, soccer, and cricket categories in category:Wikipedians interested in watching sports, though.-- Mike Selinker 00:24, 29 August 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was delete -- Kbdank71 15:58, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Five tool players ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated -- Kbdank71 15:56, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was delete -- Kbdank71 15:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was withdrawn -- Kbdank71 15:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
To match the rest of category:Middle-earth places.-- Mike Selinker 23:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was delete -- Kbdank71 15:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was delete -- Kbdank71 15:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was no consensus -- Kbdank71 15:43, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated -- Kbdank71 15:40, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was delete -- Kbdank71 15:39, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was found deleted -- Kbdank71 15:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Imposters of Doc glasgow.
The result of the debate was Rename. Andrew c 02:02, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:United States state and territorial flag images to Category:Images of United States state and territorial flags
The result of the debate was delete -- Kbdank71 15:37, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Fairtrade settlements ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
The result of the debate was listify and delete -- Kbdank71 15:34, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Canadian baseball players who surpass 100 RBI's ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
The result of the debate was no consensus -- Kbdank71 15:28, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
To avoid confusion with GAMES Magazine. I'd also be fine with category:Gaming magazines.-- Mike Selinker 16:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was Rename. Andrew c 02:00, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:History of United Kingdom literatures to Category:History of literature in the United Kingdom
The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated -- Kbdank71 15:23, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Contemporary history of the United Kingdom into Category:History of the United Kingdom
The result of the debate was delete -- Kbdank71 15:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was rename/merge to Category:Words by language -- Kbdank71 15:09, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Foreign words into Category:English words of foreign origin
The result of the debate was rename/merge to Category:Marvel Comics Illuminati members -- Kbdank71 15:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Illuminati to Category:Marvel Illuminati
The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated -- Kbdank71 15:02, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Polish music competitions to Category:Music competitions in Poland
The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated -- Kbdank71 15:01, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:USHL players to Category:United States Hockey League players
The result of the debate was delete -- Kbdank71 14:56, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Former child actors ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
The result of the debate was no consensus -- Kbdank71 14:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Sittacene ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
The result of the debate was relisted here, internet games was not tagged for deletion. -- Kbdank71 14:54, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Online games into Category:Internet games
The result of the debate was delete -- Kbdank71 14:50, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated -- Kbdank71 14:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Two templates: Wikipedians who use X, and Wikipedians who play X (games only). I didn't like the past tense on category:Wikipedian home computer owners 1975-1990 or its subcategories (as there may well be current users of the Commodore line, say), so I'm for putting them in with the other systems. I haven’t touched Wikipedians by website, Wikipedians by software, or Wikipedian programmers yet.-- Mike Selinker 04:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was keep -- Kbdank71 14:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Citytv network shows to Category:CHUM television shows
The result of the debate was Rename. Andrew c 01:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Consumer electronics companies to Category:Consumer electronics retailers
The result of the debate was keep -- Kbdank71 14:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Fictional rivalries to Category:Fictional rivals
The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated -- Kbdank71 14:43, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:XBLA games to Category:Xbox Live Arcade games
The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated -- Kbdank71 14:41, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:XBLA 360 games to Category:Xbox 360 Live Arcade games
The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated -- Kbdank71 14:39, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
as per naming convention Mal 05:25, 26 August 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was DELETE utter rubbish. - Doc 13:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:People who exploit the deaths of dead American soldiers in political advertisements ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
The result of the debate was no consensus -- Kbdank71 14:35, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Kurdish inhabited regions ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
The result of the debate was speedy delete flush
Tim!
08:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
reply
Category:Fictional Toilets ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
The result of the debate was no consensus (articles moved back) -- Kbdank71 13:40, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Replaced by the more suitably named category of Early Buddhist Schools, which will be more easily understood. Nikaya Buddhism is a very rarely used term, with which many people are unfamiliar. Early Buddhist Schools rings a bell immediately, and is frequently used.Greetings, Sacca 07:16, 3 September 2006 (UTC) reply
I feel your interest in the early buddhist schools schools is very much based in a defensive attitude, of trying to prevent any possible (misguided) criticism towards Mahayana or Vajrayana. But there are many reasons for which people might want to group the early schools. Some of the early schools themselves made a list of the schools, after this it was done by the Mahayana (who excluded themselves naturally), and they called the early schools 'Hinayana' (which translates as 'the low vehicle'). Recently the term Nikaya Buddhism came into being as a name for the filosophy behind the early schools, at least that's your version of it. The early schools have also been referred to as early buddhism. The commonality between these terms is that they all refer to these early buddhist schools. At the time (350 BC to about 50 AD) they would in all probability have seen themselves as 'the buddhist schools', since their commonality is that they all try to represent Buddha's teaching, as opposed to the Brahmanical schools or the Jain schools.
Mahayana does not claim it was present as school before the 1st century AD. Thus its traditions state some scriptures were hidden or kept underground (for about at least 500 years) by some dragons, and these scriptures were then taken up to the human world around the 1st century AD, so that the Mahayana teaching could be introduced to humanity. So that's how Mahayana claims it is a later school, about 500 years after Buddha. And that also explains why Mahayana made this long list of 20 different Hinayana schools (early buddhist schools), which were already existing at the time when Mahayana came into being. Generally, the Mahayana scriptures were written into Buddha's mouth at least 500 years after the death of Buddha, or at least that's the accepted opinion amongst scholars. They see the story of the dragons as a myth, not reflecting the truth of what really happened.
Vajrayana states that the early schools were part of the 'first turning' of the teaching of Buddha, Mahayana was the second turning, and Vajrayana itself was he third turning. These turnings happened in time, so the early schools came first as the first turning, after that the Mahayana as the second turning, and the Vajrayana came third. This is basic Vajrayana, as I'm sure you are aware, and the Vajrayana tradition take pride in being the third school or turning, since they believe it's the best and most complete version of the three. You see, your defensive attiude is not even necessary.
Your last remark (starting with Incidentally...) is quite clever, but also misleading. I'm sure you're aware of the dating of the Mahayana scriptures (after 1st century CE, most are well into 2nd, 3rd and later centuries), but reading your sentence very closely I can see you avoid saying anything definite.Greetings, Sacca 08:27, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated -- Kbdank71 16:01, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Now that category:Wikipedians by interest is cleaned up, here are some stragglers.
Check these categories’ ubercategories for styles (though I couldn’t quite shoehorn the sewing category into category:Wikipedian sewers for obvious reasons). I still haven’t found the determination to tackle the international rugby, soccer, and cricket categories in category:Wikipedians interested in watching sports, though.-- Mike Selinker 00:24, 29 August 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was delete -- Kbdank71 15:58, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Five tool players ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated -- Kbdank71 15:56, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was delete -- Kbdank71 15:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was withdrawn -- Kbdank71 15:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
To match the rest of category:Middle-earth places.-- Mike Selinker 23:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was delete -- Kbdank71 15:48, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was delete -- Kbdank71 15:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was no consensus -- Kbdank71 15:43, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated -- Kbdank71 15:40, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was delete -- Kbdank71 15:39, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was found deleted -- Kbdank71 15:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Imposters of Doc glasgow.
The result of the debate was Rename. Andrew c 02:02, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:United States state and territorial flag images to Category:Images of United States state and territorial flags
The result of the debate was delete -- Kbdank71 15:37, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Fairtrade settlements ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
The result of the debate was listify and delete -- Kbdank71 15:34, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Canadian baseball players who surpass 100 RBI's ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
The result of the debate was no consensus -- Kbdank71 15:28, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
To avoid confusion with GAMES Magazine. I'd also be fine with category:Gaming magazines.-- Mike Selinker 16:45, 28 August 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was Rename. Andrew c 02:00, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:History of United Kingdom literatures to Category:History of literature in the United Kingdom
The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated -- Kbdank71 15:23, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Contemporary history of the United Kingdom into Category:History of the United Kingdom
The result of the debate was delete -- Kbdank71 15:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was rename/merge to Category:Words by language -- Kbdank71 15:09, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Foreign words into Category:English words of foreign origin
The result of the debate was rename/merge to Category:Marvel Comics Illuminati members -- Kbdank71 15:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Illuminati to Category:Marvel Illuminati
The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated -- Kbdank71 15:02, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Polish music competitions to Category:Music competitions in Poland
The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated -- Kbdank71 15:01, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:USHL players to Category:United States Hockey League players
The result of the debate was delete -- Kbdank71 14:56, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Former child actors ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
The result of the debate was no consensus -- Kbdank71 14:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Sittacene ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
The result of the debate was relisted here, internet games was not tagged for deletion. -- Kbdank71 14:54, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Online games into Category:Internet games
The result of the debate was delete -- Kbdank71 14:50, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated -- Kbdank71 14:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Two templates: Wikipedians who use X, and Wikipedians who play X (games only). I didn't like the past tense on category:Wikipedian home computer owners 1975-1990 or its subcategories (as there may well be current users of the Commodore line, say), so I'm for putting them in with the other systems. I haven’t touched Wikipedians by website, Wikipedians by software, or Wikipedian programmers yet.-- Mike Selinker 04:38, 28 August 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was keep -- Kbdank71 14:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Citytv network shows to Category:CHUM television shows
The result of the debate was Rename. Andrew c 01:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Consumer electronics companies to Category:Consumer electronics retailers
The result of the debate was keep -- Kbdank71 14:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Fictional rivalries to Category:Fictional rivals
The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated -- Kbdank71 14:43, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:XBLA games to Category:Xbox Live Arcade games
The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated -- Kbdank71 14:41, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:XBLA 360 games to Category:Xbox 360 Live Arcade games
The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated -- Kbdank71 14:39, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
as per naming convention Mal 05:25, 26 August 2006 (UTC) reply
The result of the debate was DELETE utter rubbish. - Doc 13:07, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:People who exploit the deaths of dead American soldiers in political advertisements ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
The result of the debate was no consensus -- Kbdank71 14:35, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Category:Kurdish inhabited regions ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
The result of the debate was speedy delete flush
Tim!
08:25, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
reply
Category:Fictional Toilets ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
The result of the debate was no consensus (articles moved back) -- Kbdank71 13:40, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Replaced by the more suitably named category of Early Buddhist Schools, which will be more easily understood. Nikaya Buddhism is a very rarely used term, with which many people are unfamiliar. Early Buddhist Schools rings a bell immediately, and is frequently used.Greetings, Sacca 07:16, 3 September 2006 (UTC) reply
I feel your interest in the early buddhist schools schools is very much based in a defensive attitude, of trying to prevent any possible (misguided) criticism towards Mahayana or Vajrayana. But there are many reasons for which people might want to group the early schools. Some of the early schools themselves made a list of the schools, after this it was done by the Mahayana (who excluded themselves naturally), and they called the early schools 'Hinayana' (which translates as 'the low vehicle'). Recently the term Nikaya Buddhism came into being as a name for the filosophy behind the early schools, at least that's your version of it. The early schools have also been referred to as early buddhism. The commonality between these terms is that they all refer to these early buddhist schools. At the time (350 BC to about 50 AD) they would in all probability have seen themselves as 'the buddhist schools', since their commonality is that they all try to represent Buddha's teaching, as opposed to the Brahmanical schools or the Jain schools.
Mahayana does not claim it was present as school before the 1st century AD. Thus its traditions state some scriptures were hidden or kept underground (for about at least 500 years) by some dragons, and these scriptures were then taken up to the human world around the 1st century AD, so that the Mahayana teaching could be introduced to humanity. So that's how Mahayana claims it is a later school, about 500 years after Buddha. And that also explains why Mahayana made this long list of 20 different Hinayana schools (early buddhist schools), which were already existing at the time when Mahayana came into being. Generally, the Mahayana scriptures were written into Buddha's mouth at least 500 years after the death of Buddha, or at least that's the accepted opinion amongst scholars. They see the story of the dragons as a myth, not reflecting the truth of what really happened.
Vajrayana states that the early schools were part of the 'first turning' of the teaching of Buddha, Mahayana was the second turning, and Vajrayana itself was he third turning. These turnings happened in time, so the early schools came first as the first turning, after that the Mahayana as the second turning, and the Vajrayana came third. This is basic Vajrayana, as I'm sure you are aware, and the Vajrayana tradition take pride in being the third school or turning, since they believe it's the best and most complete version of the three. You see, your defensive attiude is not even necessary.
Your last remark (starting with Incidentally...) is quite clever, but also misleading. I'm sure you're aware of the dating of the Mahayana scriptures (after 1st century CE, most are well into 2nd, 3rd and later centuries), but reading your sentence very closely I can see you avoid saying anything definite.Greetings, Sacca 08:27, 7 September 2006 (UTC) reply