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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 23:25, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Yuri Vieira
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A series of references to his home page and to blog entries does not a notable subject make. No corresponding article exists on the Portuguese Wikipedia, a search for sources turns up about 200 hits under Google News, none of which appears to contain in-depth discussion of the subject that I could read in English. A loose necktie ( talk) 02:40, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- It is because Yuri is a Conservative writer. If he was a Leftist one, there would be an article about him in the Portuguese Wikipedia...
- The same with Rodrigo Gurgel, a literary critic. I wrote an article about him TWO times, full with references. They deleted it.
- The Portuguese Wikipedia is ideology-oriented, not reality-oriented.
- Note: the three publishers (Record, Vide, José Olympio) are some of the biggest in Brazil. Gondolabúrguer ( talk) 02:49, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- The "size" of the organizations that publish his works is not the issue. What matters is significant discussion of him in reliable published verifiable independent sources-- if you aren't able to provide them here, then that suggests you aren't able to provide them for the Portuguese Wikipedia; if you can't provide them here (we accept Portuguese references, though I don't speak Portuguese), then there is little wonder there is no article on him there (and not for political reasons, but for policy reasons). This then further undermines your claim that he is notable, and the politicization argument ends up holding no water. If you are claiming that he would have sources in Portuguese if the leftist Portuguese press would just cover him, that argument won't stand up real well here either. We need independent reliable published sources, in any language, that discuss the subject in depth in order to host an article on him. Nothing more, and nothing less. Nothing he wrote about himself, no blog entries, but actual coverage in other people's published works.
A loose necktie (
talk)
11:50, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- "His main book, A Tragicomédia Acadêmica – Contos Imediatos do Terceiro Grau (en: The College Tragicomedy: direct short stories from the third degree), was praised by writers Bruno Tolentino, Millôr Fernandes, Lygia Fagundes Telles, Olavo de Carvalho and Ryoki Inoue."
- Source about the authors: https://yurivieira.com/#aboutus
- These are five major writers in Brazil. You can check their articles.
- Also: you do not read in Portuguese, right? So please translate the source above to English so that you can confirm what I wrote.
- And I have added much more links to external sources. Gondolabúrguer ( talk) 20:48, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- The "size" of the organizations that publish his works is not the issue. What matters is significant discussion of him in reliable published verifiable independent sources-- if you aren't able to provide them here, then that suggests you aren't able to provide them for the Portuguese Wikipedia; if you can't provide them here (we accept Portuguese references, though I don't speak Portuguese), then there is little wonder there is no article on him there (and not for political reasons, but for policy reasons). This then further undermines your claim that he is notable, and the politicization argument ends up holding no water. If you are claiming that he would have sources in Portuguese if the leftist Portuguese press would just cover him, that argument won't stand up real well here either. We need independent reliable published sources, in any language, that discuss the subject in depth in order to host an article on him. Nothing more, and nothing less. Nothing he wrote about himself, no blog entries, but actual coverage in other people's published works.
A loose necktie (
talk)
11:50, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Theatre, and Brazil. Shellwood ( talk) 10:11, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Uncontroversially fails WP:GNG. Best
Alexandermcnabb (
talk)
11:07, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Do you read in Portuguese? Gondolabúrguer ( talk) 20:43, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- No, and if I did I'd be looking at Portuguese Wikipedia, but I'm not, I'm looking at enwiki. BTW, Google DOES read in Portuguese and the consequences are not mine to bear. Best
Alexandermcnabb (
talk)
07:03, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- I added more references, from major journals ( Gazeta do Povo, Estadão), a literary periodical (Esmeril) and the Federal University of Minas Gerais.
- Also linked to the Oceanos literary award's Wiki page. Gondolabúrguer ( talk) 13:47, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- No, and if I did I'd be looking at Portuguese Wikipedia, but I'm not, I'm looking at enwiki. BTW, Google DOES read in Portuguese and the consequences are not mine to bear. Best
Alexandermcnabb (
talk)
07:03, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:42, 8 July 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:04, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Complete lack of sources that are reliable, independent and in-depth. The offer by Gondolabúrguer of https://yurivieira.com/#aboutus is ridculous as evidence of notability. It is Vieira himself claiming other authors have said nice things about him in quotes from unpubished private communications. Pretty much a masterclass in material we can't use. Gondolabúrguer also says they have added two new sources. The Estadão source merely replaced a Facebook cite and is a routine announcement about the Oceanos award. In any case, Vieira did not win this award, he did not even place, so I don't see how this is significant coverage. I don't see any cite added from Gazeta do Povo on or near 6 July as claimed. One Gazeta cite is a blog by Rodrigo Constantino which says nothing more than he read Vieira's books and enjoyed them. It says nothing at all about Vieira himself so even if we take Constantino's blog as reliable (dubious), it adds nothing to notability of Vieira. The other Gazeta cite is an opinion column by Flavio Gordon which likewise says little about the author himself, and incidentally, fails to verify the sentence it is attached to. If you want to convince me, link here to two (and only two) reliable independent sources that discuss the author in depth. Spinning Spark 14:30, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Liz Read! Talk! 23:25, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Yuri Vieira
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- Yuri Vieira ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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A series of references to his home page and to blog entries does not a notable subject make. No corresponding article exists on the Portuguese Wikipedia, a search for sources turns up about 200 hits under Google News, none of which appears to contain in-depth discussion of the subject that I could read in English. A loose necktie ( talk) 02:40, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- It is because Yuri is a Conservative writer. If he was a Leftist one, there would be an article about him in the Portuguese Wikipedia...
- The same with Rodrigo Gurgel, a literary critic. I wrote an article about him TWO times, full with references. They deleted it.
- The Portuguese Wikipedia is ideology-oriented, not reality-oriented.
- Note: the three publishers (Record, Vide, José Olympio) are some of the biggest in Brazil. Gondolabúrguer ( talk) 02:49, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- The "size" of the organizations that publish his works is not the issue. What matters is significant discussion of him in reliable published verifiable independent sources-- if you aren't able to provide them here, then that suggests you aren't able to provide them for the Portuguese Wikipedia; if you can't provide them here (we accept Portuguese references, though I don't speak Portuguese), then there is little wonder there is no article on him there (and not for political reasons, but for policy reasons). This then further undermines your claim that he is notable, and the politicization argument ends up holding no water. If you are claiming that he would have sources in Portuguese if the leftist Portuguese press would just cover him, that argument won't stand up real well here either. We need independent reliable published sources, in any language, that discuss the subject in depth in order to host an article on him. Nothing more, and nothing less. Nothing he wrote about himself, no blog entries, but actual coverage in other people's published works.
A loose necktie (
talk)
11:50, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- "His main book, A Tragicomédia Acadêmica – Contos Imediatos do Terceiro Grau (en: The College Tragicomedy: direct short stories from the third degree), was praised by writers Bruno Tolentino, Millôr Fernandes, Lygia Fagundes Telles, Olavo de Carvalho and Ryoki Inoue."
- Source about the authors: https://yurivieira.com/#aboutus
- These are five major writers in Brazil. You can check their articles.
- Also: you do not read in Portuguese, right? So please translate the source above to English so that you can confirm what I wrote.
- And I have added much more links to external sources. Gondolabúrguer ( talk) 20:48, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- The "size" of the organizations that publish his works is not the issue. What matters is significant discussion of him in reliable published verifiable independent sources-- if you aren't able to provide them here, then that suggests you aren't able to provide them for the Portuguese Wikipedia; if you can't provide them here (we accept Portuguese references, though I don't speak Portuguese), then there is little wonder there is no article on him there (and not for political reasons, but for policy reasons). This then further undermines your claim that he is notable, and the politicization argument ends up holding no water. If you are claiming that he would have sources in Portuguese if the leftist Portuguese press would just cover him, that argument won't stand up real well here either. We need independent reliable published sources, in any language, that discuss the subject in depth in order to host an article on him. Nothing more, and nothing less. Nothing he wrote about himself, no blog entries, but actual coverage in other people's published works.
A loose necktie (
talk)
11:50, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Theatre, and Brazil. Shellwood ( talk) 10:11, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Uncontroversially fails WP:GNG. Best
Alexandermcnabb (
talk)
11:07, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- Do you read in Portuguese? Gondolabúrguer ( talk) 20:43, 1 July 2022 (UTC)
- No, and if I did I'd be looking at Portuguese Wikipedia, but I'm not, I'm looking at enwiki. BTW, Google DOES read in Portuguese and the consequences are not mine to bear. Best
Alexandermcnabb (
talk)
07:03, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
- I added more references, from major journals ( Gazeta do Povo, Estadão), a literary periodical (Esmeril) and the Federal University of Minas Gerais.
- Also linked to the Oceanos literary award's Wiki page. Gondolabúrguer ( talk) 13:47, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- No, and if I did I'd be looking at Portuguese Wikipedia, but I'm not, I'm looking at enwiki. BTW, Google DOES read in Portuguese and the consequences are not mine to bear. Best
Alexandermcnabb (
talk)
07:03, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 21:42, 8 July 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:04, 15 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Complete lack of sources that are reliable, independent and in-depth. The offer by Gondolabúrguer of https://yurivieira.com/#aboutus is ridculous as evidence of notability. It is Vieira himself claiming other authors have said nice things about him in quotes from unpubished private communications. Pretty much a masterclass in material we can't use. Gondolabúrguer also says they have added two new sources. The Estadão source merely replaced a Facebook cite and is a routine announcement about the Oceanos award. In any case, Vieira did not win this award, he did not even place, so I don't see how this is significant coverage. I don't see any cite added from Gazeta do Povo on or near 6 July as claimed. One Gazeta cite is a blog by Rodrigo Constantino which says nothing more than he read Vieira's books and enjoyed them. It says nothing at all about Vieira himself so even if we take Constantino's blog as reliable (dubious), it adds nothing to notability of Vieira. The other Gazeta cite is an opinion column by Flavio Gordon which likewise says little about the author himself, and incidentally, fails to verify the sentence it is attached to. If you want to convince me, link here to two (and only two) reliable independent sources that discuss the author in depth. Spinning Spark 14:30, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.