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The result was keep. -- Cirt ( talk) 06:50, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Yunus Centre
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No coverage in reliable sources Artem Karimov ( talk) 21:28, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
- This is ridiculous. As the personal office of a
Nobel Peace Prize laureate (
Muhammad Yunus) and one of two think-tanks related to
Social business, this should clearly be included in Wikipedia. Yunus Centre helped to set up all Social Business with major multinationals such as
Danone,
Veolia,
Intel,
Adidas or
BASF. Just have a look at their homepage or at one of the
44.000 Google hits. Or
see their 14,000 fans on Facebook --
Talebian (
talk) 06:50, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
- Google hits or Facebook fans do not matter.
Reliable sources do.
Artem Karimov (
talk) 11:09, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
- So which sources would then be reliable for a think tank in a developing country? Honestly speaking, you seem to lack understanding of these things. Did you ever think about the possibility of having to review each case individually instead of referring to some guidelines like an apparatchik? --
Talebian (
talk) 06:37, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
- Now that's a speculation. Можешь называть меня аппаратчиком, but WP:V and WP:RS apply the same for everyone and everything. Your rhethoric will not help the subject gain notability. Artem Karimov ( talk) 08:11, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
- So which sources would then be reliable for a think tank in a developing country? Honestly speaking, you seem to lack understanding of these things. Did you ever think about the possibility of having to review each case individually instead of referring to some guidelines like an apparatchik? --
Talebian (
talk) 06:37, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
- Google hits or Facebook fans do not matter.
Reliable sources do.
Artem Karimov (
talk) 11:09, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
- This is ridiculous. As the personal office of a
Nobel Peace Prize laureate (
Muhammad Yunus) and one of two think-tanks related to
Social business, this should clearly be included in Wikipedia. Yunus Centre helped to set up all Social Business with major multinationals such as
Danone,
Veolia,
Intel,
Adidas or
BASF. Just have a look at their homepage or at one of the
44.000 Google hits. Or
see their 14,000 fans on Facebook --
Talebian (
talk) 06:50, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
- Delete: That Mr. Yunus is notable no one would deny. That his personal think tank is notable is wholly unproven; of course the organization's website and Facebook page do not qualify as reliable sources. Rather than mere Google hits, if one is to do a search for links, I'd try Google News ... which only returns three hits about Muhammad Yunus himself, and which mention the center only as casual references. Ravenswing 23:25, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
- Keep: Once more, keep in mind that this is a think tank in a developing country - that's also why Google News is totally irrelevant. The Yunus Centre acts as the implementation think-do tank for all social businesses related to Grameen (as mentioned above: Danone, Intel etc.), but these companies will always mention the name of Prof. Yunus instead of the Yunus Centre. See
the new social business with Uniqlo here. Moreover, the Yunus Centre is responsible for the implementation of
Social business classes. See the reference at the
Asian Institute of Technology
here or, to mention an American example,
California State University Channel Islands
here. --
Talebian (
talk) 07:09, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
- Mere reference to the subject is not enough. There must be at least some coverage in reliable sources. There is none hence Yunus centre is not notable. Artem Karimov ( talk) 08:11, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: There is nothing in WP:V or WP:ORG which waives the policies' requirements of sourcing for organizations based in "developing" countries. WP:V's language is clear: "If no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." Talebian's energies would be better utilized uncovering reliable, independent, third-party sources (from a city which is the home, as to that, of four English-language newspapers of national circulation) which would validate this article rather than in exhortations to ignore Wikipedia policies or guidelines, or in violations of WP:CIVIL as happened above. Ravenswing 12:37, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k ( talk) 18:57, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k ( talk) 18:57, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
-
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman ( talk) 00:01, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
- Keep article about this notable organization and expand with information about the growing Yunus Centre operations in Bangkok, Glasgow and Abu Dhabi, described in
reliable sources, such as
here,
here,
here,
here,
here,
here and
here.
- Now that is something. As soon as these RS are integrated into the article, this nomination can be delisted. Artem Karimov ( talk) 11:36, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - as per reliable sources given above by unsigned contribution of Cullen328 . Yunnus himself is a well known microfinancer, the references listed above are independent of the subject and give coverage of the work of the Yunnus Centre. -- Whiteguru ( talk) 12:38, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. -- Cirt ( talk) 06:50, 10 May 2011 (UTC)
Yunus Centre
- Yunus Centre ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
No coverage in reliable sources Artem Karimov ( talk) 21:28, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
- This is ridiculous. As the personal office of a
Nobel Peace Prize laureate (
Muhammad Yunus) and one of two think-tanks related to
Social business, this should clearly be included in Wikipedia. Yunus Centre helped to set up all Social Business with major multinationals such as
Danone,
Veolia,
Intel,
Adidas or
BASF. Just have a look at their homepage or at one of the
44.000 Google hits. Or
see their 14,000 fans on Facebook --
Talebian (
talk) 06:50, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
- Google hits or Facebook fans do not matter.
Reliable sources do.
Artem Karimov (
talk) 11:09, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
- So which sources would then be reliable for a think tank in a developing country? Honestly speaking, you seem to lack understanding of these things. Did you ever think about the possibility of having to review each case individually instead of referring to some guidelines like an apparatchik? --
Talebian (
talk) 06:37, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
- Now that's a speculation. Можешь называть меня аппаратчиком, but WP:V and WP:RS apply the same for everyone and everything. Your rhethoric will not help the subject gain notability. Artem Karimov ( talk) 08:11, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
- So which sources would then be reliable for a think tank in a developing country? Honestly speaking, you seem to lack understanding of these things. Did you ever think about the possibility of having to review each case individually instead of referring to some guidelines like an apparatchik? --
Talebian (
talk) 06:37, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
- Google hits or Facebook fans do not matter.
Reliable sources do.
Artem Karimov (
talk) 11:09, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
- This is ridiculous. As the personal office of a
Nobel Peace Prize laureate (
Muhammad Yunus) and one of two think-tanks related to
Social business, this should clearly be included in Wikipedia. Yunus Centre helped to set up all Social Business with major multinationals such as
Danone,
Veolia,
Intel,
Adidas or
BASF. Just have a look at their homepage or at one of the
44.000 Google hits. Or
see their 14,000 fans on Facebook --
Talebian (
talk) 06:50, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
- Delete: That Mr. Yunus is notable no one would deny. That his personal think tank is notable is wholly unproven; of course the organization's website and Facebook page do not qualify as reliable sources. Rather than mere Google hits, if one is to do a search for links, I'd try Google News ... which only returns three hits about Muhammad Yunus himself, and which mention the center only as casual references. Ravenswing 23:25, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
- Keep: Once more, keep in mind that this is a think tank in a developing country - that's also why Google News is totally irrelevant. The Yunus Centre acts as the implementation think-do tank for all social businesses related to Grameen (as mentioned above: Danone, Intel etc.), but these companies will always mention the name of Prof. Yunus instead of the Yunus Centre. See
the new social business with Uniqlo here. Moreover, the Yunus Centre is responsible for the implementation of
Social business classes. See the reference at the
Asian Institute of Technology
here or, to mention an American example,
California State University Channel Islands
here. --
Talebian (
talk) 07:09, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
- Mere reference to the subject is not enough. There must be at least some coverage in reliable sources. There is none hence Yunus centre is not notable. Artem Karimov ( talk) 08:11, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
- Comment: There is nothing in WP:V or WP:ORG which waives the policies' requirements of sourcing for organizations based in "developing" countries. WP:V's language is clear: "If no reliable third-party sources can be found on a topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." Talebian's energies would be better utilized uncovering reliable, independent, third-party sources (from a city which is the home, as to that, of four English-language newspapers of national circulation) which would validate this article rather than in exhortations to ignore Wikipedia policies or guidelines, or in violations of WP:CIVIL as happened above. Ravenswing 12:37, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k ( talk) 18:57, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k ( talk) 18:57, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
-
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman ( talk) 00:01, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
- Keep article about this notable organization and expand with information about the growing Yunus Centre operations in Bangkok, Glasgow and Abu Dhabi, described in
reliable sources, such as
here,
here,
here,
here,
here,
here and
here.
- Now that is something. As soon as these RS are integrated into the article, this nomination can be delisted. Artem Karimov ( talk) 11:36, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
- Keep - as per reliable sources given above by unsigned contribution of Cullen328 . Yunnus himself is a well known microfinancer, the references listed above are independent of the subject and give coverage of the work of the Yunnus Centre. -- Whiteguru ( talk) 12:38, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.