The result was keep. North America 1000 08:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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beieve this article should be deleted Greenhighwayconstruction ( talk) 20:10, 3 July 2022 (UTC) My first reason is I believe that all the info in this article can be found on one of the three following pages Canaanite Religion, Yahweh, or Origins of Judaism Greenhighwayconstruction ( talk) 20:13, 3 July 2022 (UTC) I am also going to say that there is secular dispute about what came first as the history chanels website https://www.history.com/topics/religion/judaism#section_3 shows. In addition there is no evidence(that I can find) that shows the Canaanites didn't rename El to Yahweh Greenhighwayconstruction ( talk) 20:53, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Judaism is the world’s oldest monotheistic religion, dating back nearly 4,000 years.We call it tall stories. About 2000 BCE there were no Jews/Hebrews/Israelites whatsoever, there was no such thing as Hebrew language, and the ancestors of Israelites certainly weren't monotheistic back then. 1500 BCE? Pretty much as I said before. Another:
More than 1,000 years after Abraham, the prophet Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt after being enslaved for hundreds of years.Let conservative Jewish scholars speak about that: Greenberg, Moshe; Sperling, S. David (2007). "Exodus, Book of.". In Skolnik, Fred; Berenbaum, Michael; Thomson Gale (Firm) (eds.). Encyclopaedia Judaica. Vol. 6 (2nd ed.). pp. 612–623. ISBN 978-0-02-866097-4. OCLC 123527471. Retrieved 29 November 2019.
Current scholarly consensus based on archaeology holds the enslavement and exodus traditions to be unhistorical.According to Shaye J. D. Cohen, a Yeshiva boy who became a Bible professor at Harvard University, "Most Israelites were actually of Canaanite stock; their ancestors did not participate in an Exodus from Egypt; Israelites did not build the pyramids!!!" http://ruml.com/thehebrewbible/notes/09-Notes.pdf https://courses.biblicalarchaeology.org/hebrewbible/notes/09-Notes.pdf tgeorgescu ( talk) 12:16, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
First of all this is not because I'm offended and somebody just violated WP:AGF IMO . IM not Jewish even though that isn't at all important. Secondly the paragraph of the history.com article is part of a 3 paragraph explanation that starts w/ something 2 the effect of "jews beieve". However the 4000 years old date is not prefaced with anything to a similar affect. There has also been no opposition to my main point, witch is that the info in this article is already covered in 3 different articles and does not need be merged as the info is already there. Maybe the term Yahwism could become a disambiguation, but that requires deletion of this article first. Greenhighwayconstruction ( talk) 20:16, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting because the AfD was so malformed I believe it negatively impacted peoples' ability to comment. There was no link to or mention of the original article in the nomination, so people had to guess what article was being AfD'd, look at the raw AfD list, or look at others' contribs to find it.
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Strong Oppose: as per Aunva6, Zhomron, and Tgeorgescu above, there's no convincing reason to delete a well-sourced, standalone article about the early history of Judaism and ancient Hebrew religion; moreover, Greenhighwayconstruction's proposal to merge it with Canaanite religion doesn't make any sense, since the ancient Hebrews separated themselves from the Canaanites and built their own society and religious tradition independently of them and their polytheistic Semitic pantheon. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] GenoV84 ( talk) 11:38, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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The result was keep. North America 1000 08:40, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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Multiple people have came to this discussion trying to find a discussion for a flood article deletion. I do not know how this happened but if your looking for that please click here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bridgeton flood of 1934 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greenhighwayconstruction ( talk • contribs)
beieve this article should be deleted Greenhighwayconstruction ( talk) 20:10, 3 July 2022 (UTC) My first reason is I believe that all the info in this article can be found on one of the three following pages Canaanite Religion, Yahweh, or Origins of Judaism Greenhighwayconstruction ( talk) 20:13, 3 July 2022 (UTC) I am also going to say that there is secular dispute about what came first as the history chanels website https://www.history.com/topics/religion/judaism#section_3 shows. In addition there is no evidence(that I can find) that shows the Canaanites didn't rename El to Yahweh Greenhighwayconstruction ( talk) 20:53, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Judaism is the world’s oldest monotheistic religion, dating back nearly 4,000 years.We call it tall stories. About 2000 BCE there were no Jews/Hebrews/Israelites whatsoever, there was no such thing as Hebrew language, and the ancestors of Israelites certainly weren't monotheistic back then. 1500 BCE? Pretty much as I said before. Another:
More than 1,000 years after Abraham, the prophet Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt after being enslaved for hundreds of years.Let conservative Jewish scholars speak about that: Greenberg, Moshe; Sperling, S. David (2007). "Exodus, Book of.". In Skolnik, Fred; Berenbaum, Michael; Thomson Gale (Firm) (eds.). Encyclopaedia Judaica. Vol. 6 (2nd ed.). pp. 612–623. ISBN 978-0-02-866097-4. OCLC 123527471. Retrieved 29 November 2019.
Current scholarly consensus based on archaeology holds the enslavement and exodus traditions to be unhistorical.According to Shaye J. D. Cohen, a Yeshiva boy who became a Bible professor at Harvard University, "Most Israelites were actually of Canaanite stock; their ancestors did not participate in an Exodus from Egypt; Israelites did not build the pyramids!!!" http://ruml.com/thehebrewbible/notes/09-Notes.pdf https://courses.biblicalarchaeology.org/hebrewbible/notes/09-Notes.pdf tgeorgescu ( talk) 12:16, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
First of all this is not because I'm offended and somebody just violated WP:AGF IMO . IM not Jewish even though that isn't at all important. Secondly the paragraph of the history.com article is part of a 3 paragraph explanation that starts w/ something 2 the effect of "jews beieve". However the 4000 years old date is not prefaced with anything to a similar affect. There has also been no opposition to my main point, witch is that the info in this article is already covered in 3 different articles and does not need be merged as the info is already there. Maybe the term Yahwism could become a disambiguation, but that requires deletion of this article first. Greenhighwayconstruction ( talk) 20:16, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting because the AfD was so malformed I believe it negatively impacted peoples' ability to comment. There was no link to or mention of the original article in the nomination, so people had to guess what article was being AfD'd, look at the raw AfD list, or look at others' contribs to find it.
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(talk) 23:18, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
Strong Oppose: as per Aunva6, Zhomron, and Tgeorgescu above, there's no convincing reason to delete a well-sourced, standalone article about the early history of Judaism and ancient Hebrew religion; moreover, Greenhighwayconstruction's proposal to merge it with Canaanite religion doesn't make any sense, since the ancient Hebrews separated themselves from the Canaanites and built their own society and religious tradition independently of them and their polytheistic Semitic pantheon. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] GenoV84 ( talk) 11:38, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
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