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The result was delete. Nakon 02:10, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
World Swing Dance Council
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Not clear how this passes the WP:GNG Theroadislong ( talk) 20:08, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per GNG Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ ( talk) 20:50, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Not enough coverage in independent, reliable sources to verify or sustian article. Fails Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines and WP:NORG. I see no RS coverage outside of some blogs and a couple of local interest pieces about some dance studios which are somehow associated with it - not enough to meet WP:ORGDEPTH even if they were more than bare mentions. The associated Swing Dance Hall of Fame, which this organization seems to sponsor, is equally bereft of significant coverage. Jbh Talk 20:54, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- As article creator, with sorrow I have to admit that swing dancing has insufficient glamour to satisfy wikipedia guidelines. Yes swing dancing is happening in "some dance studios" all around the United States. Yes, WSDC is coordinating swing competitions. Yes nobody cares besides swing dancers. - üser:Altenmann >t 06:30, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. Jbh Talk 13:37, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete Fails WP:GNG. Joseph2302 ( talk) 15:25, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Keep for now: if you google "world swing dance council" you'll see that they apparently have developed some "point system" used for competitions that is cited/used by many, many dance sites/dance competition websites...I think this alone might make the council itself notable...but perhaps the content of its hall of fame should be merged into this article..?? 68.48.241.158 ( talk) 17:14, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- I just googled "world swing dance council" and found nothing on the first 4 pages about any point system, and it's not clear why this would confer any notability? Theroadislong ( talk) 17:48, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
UTC)
- (
edit conflict) If you mean the Universal Unit System, according to her article it was created by
Skippy Blair. She is a founder of WSDC but according to ("Skippy Blair and the Universal Unit System". Examiner.com. 26 May 2010.)url blacklisted she created it in 1978 a decade and a half before the formation of the WSDC.
Jbh
Talk 17:51, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- No, Universal Unit System is something different. And sorry, I cannot write a wp article on it: not enough glamour. - üser:Altenmann >t 05:48, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- idk..when I google it appears in lots of dance websites in reference to its point system/guidelines etc etc..it appears to be used by lots of dance events/competitions in some manner and the sites for these events/competitions refer to the Council's guidelines etc..
68.48.241.158 (
talk) 18:03, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- When I add "points" to my search I see what you mention. The problem is that nothing there is RS - no one is writing about the WSDC. They seem to be too much of a niche organization to be covered in RS.
Jbh
Talk 18:31, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- true, unless it can be somehow viewed as notable just due to this general footprint it has in this niche world...I would have assumed that "swing dancing" isn't as niche as it seems...I've certainly heard the term many, many times...the article "swing dancing" has a section "swing dancing today" that is very short and, perhaps, info on the Council could be in there...
68.48.241.158 (
talk) 19:06, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Sometimes we run into situations like this but since it is impossible to write a policy compliant article without independent reliable sources Wikipedia has community agreed minimum notability guidelines - WP:GNG and more directly relavent to this case WP:NORG. Since there are millions of articles on Wikipedia and millions more that someone wants on Wikipedia it is not practical or even permitted by policy to have articles included based on claims of exceptional circumstance. Jbh Talk 19:32, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- true, unless it can be somehow viewed as notable just due to this general footprint it has in this niche world...I would have assumed that "swing dancing" isn't as niche as it seems...I've certainly heard the term many, many times...the article "swing dancing" has a section "swing dancing today" that is very short and, perhaps, info on the Council could be in there...
68.48.241.158 (
talk) 19:06, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- When I add "points" to my search I see what you mention. The problem is that nothing there is RS - no one is writing about the WSDC. They seem to be too much of a niche organization to be covered in RS.
Jbh
Talk 18:31, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
The problem is that WSDC council caters to Swing dancing community, which is a very small pond, which tempests do not raise even to state level of noise, not no say national. All news and discussions are carried out in enthusiasts' websites and blogs (spanning the whole US of A, albeit in a very sparse net), which wikipedia do not qualify either as reliable or independent. I did spend yesterday a couple of hours hoping to rescue the article, but realized the futility. Major swing conventions gather thousands of dancers (and hundreds of competitors), but they don't hit the tabloids: nobody smokes pot, nobody hits 1,$$$,$$$ jackpot, nobody rapes teenagers... Exquisite dancers? Who cares. - üser:Altenmann >t 05:39, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- this is an unfortunate hole in Wikipedia (but I don't know what could be done about it)..as potentially there are many thousands of people out there who could potentially be interested in learning more about this council via Wikipedia...this topic has a potentially larger audience than tens of thousands of niche Wikipedia articles that can be properly sourced... 68.48.241.158 ( talk) 14:25, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as nothing better for solid independent notability. SwisterTwister talk 07:41, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. Nakon 02:10, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
World Swing Dance Council
- World Swing Dance Council ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Not clear how this passes the WP:GNG Theroadislong ( talk) 20:08, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per GNG Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ ( talk) 20:50, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Not enough coverage in independent, reliable sources to verify or sustian article. Fails Wikipedia's General Notability Guidelines and WP:NORG. I see no RS coverage outside of some blogs and a couple of local interest pieces about some dance studios which are somehow associated with it - not enough to meet WP:ORGDEPTH even if they were more than bare mentions. The associated Swing Dance Hall of Fame, which this organization seems to sponsor, is equally bereft of significant coverage. Jbh Talk 20:54, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- As article creator, with sorrow I have to admit that swing dancing has insufficient glamour to satisfy wikipedia guidelines. Yes swing dancing is happening in "some dance studios" all around the United States. Yes, WSDC is coordinating swing competitions. Yes nobody cares besides swing dancers. - üser:Altenmann >t 06:30, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. Jbh Talk 13:37, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. Jbh Talk 13:37, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Jbh Talk 13:37, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:GNG. Joseph2302 ( talk) 15:25, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
Keep for now: if you google "world swing dance council" you'll see that they apparently have developed some "point system" used for competitions that is cited/used by many, many dance sites/dance competition websites...I think this alone might make the council itself notable...but perhaps the content of its hall of fame should be merged into this article..?? 68.48.241.158 ( talk) 17:14, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- I just googled "world swing dance council" and found nothing on the first 4 pages about any point system, and it's not clear why this would confer any notability? Theroadislong ( talk) 17:48, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
UTC)
- (
edit conflict) If you mean the Universal Unit System, according to her article it was created by
Skippy Blair. She is a founder of WSDC but according to ("Skippy Blair and the Universal Unit System". Examiner.com. 26 May 2010.)url blacklisted she created it in 1978 a decade and a half before the formation of the WSDC.
Jbh
Talk 17:51, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- No, Universal Unit System is something different. And sorry, I cannot write a wp article on it: not enough glamour. - üser:Altenmann >t 05:48, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- idk..when I google it appears in lots of dance websites in reference to its point system/guidelines etc etc..it appears to be used by lots of dance events/competitions in some manner and the sites for these events/competitions refer to the Council's guidelines etc..
68.48.241.158 (
talk) 18:03, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- When I add "points" to my search I see what you mention. The problem is that nothing there is RS - no one is writing about the WSDC. They seem to be too much of a niche organization to be covered in RS.
Jbh
Talk 18:31, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- true, unless it can be somehow viewed as notable just due to this general footprint it has in this niche world...I would have assumed that "swing dancing" isn't as niche as it seems...I've certainly heard the term many, many times...the article "swing dancing" has a section "swing dancing today" that is very short and, perhaps, info on the Council could be in there...
68.48.241.158 (
talk) 19:06, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- Sometimes we run into situations like this but since it is impossible to write a policy compliant article without independent reliable sources Wikipedia has community agreed minimum notability guidelines - WP:GNG and more directly relavent to this case WP:NORG. Since there are millions of articles on Wikipedia and millions more that someone wants on Wikipedia it is not practical or even permitted by policy to have articles included based on claims of exceptional circumstance. Jbh Talk 19:32, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- true, unless it can be somehow viewed as notable just due to this general footprint it has in this niche world...I would have assumed that "swing dancing" isn't as niche as it seems...I've certainly heard the term many, many times...the article "swing dancing" has a section "swing dancing today" that is very short and, perhaps, info on the Council could be in there...
68.48.241.158 (
talk) 19:06, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
- When I add "points" to my search I see what you mention. The problem is that nothing there is RS - no one is writing about the WSDC. They seem to be too much of a niche organization to be covered in RS.
Jbh
Talk 18:31, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
The problem is that WSDC council caters to Swing dancing community, which is a very small pond, which tempests do not raise even to state level of noise, not no say national. All news and discussions are carried out in enthusiasts' websites and blogs (spanning the whole US of A, albeit in a very sparse net), which wikipedia do not qualify either as reliable or independent. I did spend yesterday a couple of hours hoping to rescue the article, but realized the futility. Major swing conventions gather thousands of dancers (and hundreds of competitors), but they don't hit the tabloids: nobody smokes pot, nobody hits 1,$$$,$$$ jackpot, nobody rapes teenagers... Exquisite dancers? Who cares. - üser:Altenmann >t 05:39, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- this is an unfortunate hole in Wikipedia (but I don't know what could be done about it)..as potentially there are many thousands of people out there who could potentially be interested in learning more about this council via Wikipedia...this topic has a potentially larger audience than tens of thousands of niche Wikipedia articles that can be properly sourced... 68.48.241.158 ( talk) 14:25, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as nothing better for solid independent notability. SwisterTwister talk 07:41, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.