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The result was delete. Sources have not been shown that enable the page to meet WP:GNG and I read 'delete' as the consensus. However, the term is defined in the lead of Congress Working Committee and I see a redirect there as being useful. I acknowledge, in saying that, that the term may need to be disambiguated but that is for future editorial consideration. Nothing is sourced so there is nothing to merge. Just Chilling ( talk) 20:05, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Working President
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Quoting back same rationale that was given before: Unsourced since 11 14 years and doesn't seem much a notable post either. Nor does it seem different from President of the Indian National Congress as of now. I considered boldly redirecting. But such a generic title would be wrongly redirected there. Hence proposing deletion. §§
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- Delete I'll lend this an actual !vote this time around! An unsourced dictionary definition, willing to change my !vote if sources are found. SportingFlyer T· C 06:52, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. This is (or was) a real post in the Mrs Gandhi/Rajiv Gandhi era, verified in book sources [1] [2] [3]. Admittedly, this was not a powerful post – it seems to have been created mostly to put a democratic gloss on the autocratic behaviour of the Gandhis. Sources have discussed it in that context, but not in great depth. However, there is currently a proposal to bring back the post [4]. It is also worth noting that the "Working President" seems to be a common post in other parties in Indian politics TRS, Karnataka congress, BJP. Spinning Spark 20:01, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- As you rightly said, the post was maybe ceremonial/titular just for the sake of keeping up with democratic idea with little power vested in it. As regards to your statement that such post exists in other Indian parties too; i would like to state that this conclusion is not completely right. "
Karnataka Congress" is nothing but state unit of Indian National Congress. What we come to know from that reference of yours is perhaps the "Working president" is a state-level position too. In context with BJP's Nadda being called "working president" please note that this is the
first time this very month they have come up with such position. §§
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- Looking through the sources provided, I think WP:V is satisfied but not much else. None of the sources really go into detail about the position. SportingFlyer T· C 16:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
- As you rightly said, the post was maybe ceremonial/titular just for the sake of keeping up with democratic idea with little power vested in it. As regards to your statement that such post exists in other Indian parties too; i would like to state that this conclusion is not completely right. "
Karnataka Congress" is nothing but state unit of Indian National Congress. What we come to know from that reference of yours is perhaps the "Working president" is a state-level position too. In context with BJP's Nadda being called "working president" please note that this is the
first time this very month they have come up with such position. §§
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09:35, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
- Delete The term seems to be nothing but a ceremonial title for one political party in India. -- Rsrikanth05 ( talk) 19:06, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 21:52, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 21:52, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete I was going to suggest a merger with Congress Working Committee, as this article says a bit more about the Working President than that article does - but the three sources which Spinning Spark found suggest that what the article says about "the Working President often being a person of great influence within the organisational structure of the party rather than of great political popularity" is not actually correct (eg Nehru to the Nineties: "The so-called "Working President" of the party .. was never consulted.") While there may be other sources, those 3 are passing mentions, not discussions of the role, so I don't think they meet WP:GNG. The Congress Working Committee article could use some more references, so perhaps these sources could be added to that article. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 15:18, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Sources have not been shown that enable the page to meet WP:GNG and I read 'delete' as the consensus. However, the term is defined in the lead of Congress Working Committee and I see a redirect there as being useful. I acknowledge, in saying that, that the term may need to be disambiguated but that is for future editorial consideration. Nothing is sourced so there is nothing to merge. Just Chilling ( talk) 20:05, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
Working President
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Quoting back same rationale that was given before: Unsourced since 11 14 years and doesn't seem much a notable post either. Nor does it seem different from President of the Indian National Congress as of now. I considered boldly redirecting. But such a generic title would be wrongly redirected there. Hence proposing deletion. §§
Dharmadhyaksha§§ {
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06:15, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. §§ Dharmadhyaksha§§ { Talk / Edits} 06:15, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete I'll lend this an actual !vote this time around! An unsourced dictionary definition, willing to change my !vote if sources are found. SportingFlyer T· C 06:52, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- Keep. This is (or was) a real post in the Mrs Gandhi/Rajiv Gandhi era, verified in book sources [1] [2] [3]. Admittedly, this was not a powerful post – it seems to have been created mostly to put a democratic gloss on the autocratic behaviour of the Gandhis. Sources have discussed it in that context, but not in great depth. However, there is currently a proposal to bring back the post [4]. It is also worth noting that the "Working President" seems to be a common post in other parties in Indian politics TRS, Karnataka congress, BJP. Spinning Spark 20:01, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
- As you rightly said, the post was maybe ceremonial/titular just for the sake of keeping up with democratic idea with little power vested in it. As regards to your statement that such post exists in other Indian parties too; i would like to state that this conclusion is not completely right. "
Karnataka Congress" is nothing but state unit of Indian National Congress. What we come to know from that reference of yours is perhaps the "Working president" is a state-level position too. In context with BJP's Nadda being called "working president" please note that this is the
first time this very month they have come up with such position. §§
Dharmadhyaksha§§ {
Talk /
Edits}
09:35, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
- Looking through the sources provided, I think WP:V is satisfied but not much else. None of the sources really go into detail about the position. SportingFlyer T· C 16:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
- As you rightly said, the post was maybe ceremonial/titular just for the sake of keeping up with democratic idea with little power vested in it. As regards to your statement that such post exists in other Indian parties too; i would like to state that this conclusion is not completely right. "
Karnataka Congress" is nothing but state unit of Indian National Congress. What we come to know from that reference of yours is perhaps the "Working president" is a state-level position too. In context with BJP's Nadda being called "working president" please note that this is the
first time this very month they have come up with such position. §§
Dharmadhyaksha§§ {
Talk /
Edits}
09:35, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
- Delete The term seems to be nothing but a ceremonial title for one political party in India. -- Rsrikanth05 ( talk) 19:06, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 21:52, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, 78.26 ( spin me / revolutions) 21:52, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete I was going to suggest a merger with Congress Working Committee, as this article says a bit more about the Working President than that article does - but the three sources which Spinning Spark found suggest that what the article says about "the Working President often being a person of great influence within the organisational structure of the party rather than of great political popularity" is not actually correct (eg Nehru to the Nineties: "The so-called "Working President" of the party .. was never consulted.") While there may be other sources, those 3 are passing mentions, not discussions of the role, so I don't think they meet WP:GNG. The Congress Working Committee article could use some more references, so perhaps these sources could be added to that article. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 15:18, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
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