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The result was redirect to Windows 10 version history#Version 21H1 (May 2021 Update) as an WP:ATD. (non-admin closure) ASTIG️🎉 ( HAPPY 2023) 11:00, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Windows 10 version 21H1
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Should this article exist as a separate article, or should it be redirected? There is recently some edit warring between a redirect and an article, so whether the article should be redirected or not needs to be discussed at AfD. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 00:36, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Computing and Software. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 00:36, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - Nothing proves that this specific update is notable for it's own separate article. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 03:01, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I'm not why this stable build is better than any other version; sources are all strictly from Microsoft. Software gets updated all the time and failing any critical discussion of a particularly good or bad version of a build, I don't think we need one for this version. What happens when the next stable build comes out? We delete this version? Five versions in the future, do we still need a description of this build? It seems futile and more suited for a technical blog than wikipedia. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:41, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to Windows 10 version history#Version 21H1 (May 2021 Update) It's no longer supported so it should go into summary form at this point; nothing needed to merge. Nate • ( chatter) 03:40, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per Oaktree b above. -- Bduke ( talk) 10:27, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: should the page be deleted or redirected then other software versions pages ( windows 10 (original release)– windows 10 version 20H2) must be deleted or redirected as well (these include windows 10 version 21H2, windows 11 version 21H2, windows 10 version 22H2 & windows 11 version 22H2). Furthermore, this isn't the first time such article is nominated for deletion; it had happened several months ago with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Windows 10 (original release). 41.62.148.55 ( talk) 15:45, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as per previous AfD consensus on this issue earlier this year which in itself was based upon another AfD consensus in 2018. The recommended course of action at the time was to split the original version history into individual articles for each release; the fact that the opposite is being suggested two years later by uninvolved editors who failed to make an effort to understand the background of how these articles came about is baffling. Notability concerns raised above by Onegreatjoke, Oaktree b, and MrSchimpf are clearly invalid and has been disproved on numerous occasions in previous AfD discussions; one can easily find articles from independent reliable sources that are specifically written for every major version of Windows 10. Just because they aren't cited within the article doesn't render the topic unnotable per se (see WP:NEXIST). Hayman30 ( talk) 16:39, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I argued for a redirect as the information in the version history article is a carbon copy of what is contained here, and fits just fine within that article. I am not arguing for deletion, but preservation of the details, nor dismissing it per WP:N, just that it's now historical under Microsoft's definition rather than an active and contemporary software version, and it should be accounted for as such within the Win10 version history article rather than within its own article. Nate • ( chatter) 00:54, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
- @ MrSchimpf: Having a carbon copy of the contents within the original section is the point of this seperate article. The reason that individual articles were created was to reduce the size of the version history article; only currently supported versions (21H2 and 22H2) are kept on the full version history, while unsupported builds are moved to their own articles. If the result of this AfD is keep, the identical information in Windows 10 version history#Version 21H1 (May 2021 Update) would be removed and a Main article template would be added, linking to Windows 10 version 21H1. Please take a look at all other sections on Windows 10 version history before Version 21H1 (May 2021 Update). Hayman30 ( talk) 19:07, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
- Speedy keep per
User:Hayman30, and the fact that all of the non-keep arguments appear to be invalid:
- The arguments about "this specific version" don't make sense because most versions of Windows 10 have standalone articles.
- The version being "no longer supported" isn't relevant per WP:NTEMP.
- The nomination doesn't even propose deletion, only redirection, so without an explanation as to why the article shouldn't be redirected instead a "delete" !vote here doesn't make sense to begin with.
- Having said that, I feel the whole question of what to do with Windows 10's version history needs to be looked at again, because Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Windows 10 version history was decided back when it was commonly thought it was "the last version of Windows". But nominating a single, lesser-known version for a debate that is highly unlikely to attract much participation isn't the way to do it. Modernponderer ( talk) 01:51, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note: I've notified all of the remaining participants from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Windows 10 (original release), in part because User:Hayman30 seems to have been WP:CANVASSED by the IP user. Modernponderer ( talk) 02:58, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note: If the eventual result of this debate is to keep the page, then readdress the edit request posted on windows 10 version history's talk page. 102.158.3.193 ( talk) 22:55, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:40, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to Windows 10 version history#Version 21H1 (May 2021 Update) made sense to me. Keeping this on its own doesn't make sense, but neither does a delete vote. — Moops ⋠ T⋡ 22:31, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Redirect as per above HeliosSunGod ( talk) 17:36, 29 December 2022 (UTC)sockstrike Girth Summit (blether) 13:29, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
- @ Moops and HeliosSunGod: Having seperate article for this release make perfect sense as it's no longer supported. Only supported versions are kept on Windows 10 version history, while sections for previous versions are written in summary style with a {{ Main}} template linking to the subtopic article. If the result of this AfD is keep, duplicate content in Windows 10 version history#Version 21H1 (May 2021 Update) would be removed as per the edit request made on the article's talk page, which is currently on hold pending AfD consensus. Hayman30 ( talk) 19:07, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete or
ATD Redirect: A short two sentence lead and a paragraph, making a glorified dictionary entry, does not advance notability for a stand alone article. --
Otr500 (
talk) 20:09, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect per nom. 96.18.102.242 ( talk) 22:19, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Windows 10 version history#Version 21H1 (May 2021 Update) per above. Stifle ( talk) 09:29, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to Windows 10 version history#Version 21H1 (May 2021 Update) as an WP:ATD. (non-admin closure) ASTIG️🎉 ( HAPPY 2023) 11:00, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Windows 10 version 21H1
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- Windows 10 version 21H1 ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Should this article exist as a separate article, or should it be redirected? There is recently some edit warring between a redirect and an article, so whether the article should be redirected or not needs to be discussed at AfD. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 00:36, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Computing and Software. GeoffreyT2000 ( talk) 00:36, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - Nothing proves that this specific update is notable for it's own separate article. Onegreatjoke ( talk) 03:01, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I'm not why this stable build is better than any other version; sources are all strictly from Microsoft. Software gets updated all the time and failing any critical discussion of a particularly good or bad version of a build, I don't think we need one for this version. What happens when the next stable build comes out? We delete this version? Five versions in the future, do we still need a description of this build? It seems futile and more suited for a technical blog than wikipedia. Oaktree b ( talk) 00:41, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to Windows 10 version history#Version 21H1 (May 2021 Update) It's no longer supported so it should go into summary form at this point; nothing needed to merge. Nate • ( chatter) 03:40, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per Oaktree b above. -- Bduke ( talk) 10:27, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: should the page be deleted or redirected then other software versions pages ( windows 10 (original release)– windows 10 version 20H2) must be deleted or redirected as well (these include windows 10 version 21H2, windows 11 version 21H2, windows 10 version 22H2 & windows 11 version 22H2). Furthermore, this isn't the first time such article is nominated for deletion; it had happened several months ago with Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Windows 10 (original release). 41.62.148.55 ( talk) 15:45, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as per previous AfD consensus on this issue earlier this year which in itself was based upon another AfD consensus in 2018. The recommended course of action at the time was to split the original version history into individual articles for each release; the fact that the opposite is being suggested two years later by uninvolved editors who failed to make an effort to understand the background of how these articles came about is baffling. Notability concerns raised above by Onegreatjoke, Oaktree b, and MrSchimpf are clearly invalid and has been disproved on numerous occasions in previous AfD discussions; one can easily find articles from independent reliable sources that are specifically written for every major version of Windows 10. Just because they aren't cited within the article doesn't render the topic unnotable per se (see WP:NEXIST). Hayman30 ( talk) 16:39, 21 December 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I argued for a redirect as the information in the version history article is a carbon copy of what is contained here, and fits just fine within that article. I am not arguing for deletion, but preservation of the details, nor dismissing it per WP:N, just that it's now historical under Microsoft's definition rather than an active and contemporary software version, and it should be accounted for as such within the Win10 version history article rather than within its own article. Nate • ( chatter) 00:54, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
- @ MrSchimpf: Having a carbon copy of the contents within the original section is the point of this seperate article. The reason that individual articles were created was to reduce the size of the version history article; only currently supported versions (21H2 and 22H2) are kept on the full version history, while unsupported builds are moved to their own articles. If the result of this AfD is keep, the identical information in Windows 10 version history#Version 21H1 (May 2021 Update) would be removed and a Main article template would be added, linking to Windows 10 version 21H1. Please take a look at all other sections on Windows 10 version history before Version 21H1 (May 2021 Update). Hayman30 ( talk) 19:07, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
- Speedy keep per
User:Hayman30, and the fact that all of the non-keep arguments appear to be invalid:
- The arguments about "this specific version" don't make sense because most versions of Windows 10 have standalone articles.
- The version being "no longer supported" isn't relevant per WP:NTEMP.
- The nomination doesn't even propose deletion, only redirection, so without an explanation as to why the article shouldn't be redirected instead a "delete" !vote here doesn't make sense to begin with.
- Having said that, I feel the whole question of what to do with Windows 10's version history needs to be looked at again, because Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Windows 10 version history was decided back when it was commonly thought it was "the last version of Windows". But nominating a single, lesser-known version for a debate that is highly unlikely to attract much participation isn't the way to do it. Modernponderer ( talk) 01:51, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note: I've notified all of the remaining participants from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Windows 10 (original release), in part because User:Hayman30 seems to have been WP:CANVASSED by the IP user. Modernponderer ( talk) 02:58, 22 December 2022 (UTC)
- Note: If the eventual result of this debate is to keep the page, then readdress the edit request posted on windows 10 version history's talk page. 102.158.3.193 ( talk) 22:55, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:40, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to Windows 10 version history#Version 21H1 (May 2021 Update) made sense to me. Keeping this on its own doesn't make sense, but neither does a delete vote. — Moops ⋠ T⋡ 22:31, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
Redirect as per above HeliosSunGod ( talk) 17:36, 29 December 2022 (UTC)sockstrike Girth Summit (blether) 13:29, 3 January 2023 (UTC)
- @ Moops and HeliosSunGod: Having seperate article for this release make perfect sense as it's no longer supported. Only supported versions are kept on Windows 10 version history, while sections for previous versions are written in summary style with a {{ Main}} template linking to the subtopic article. If the result of this AfD is keep, duplicate content in Windows 10 version history#Version 21H1 (May 2021 Update) would be removed as per the edit request made on the article's talk page, which is currently on hold pending AfD consensus. Hayman30 ( talk) 19:07, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
- Delete or
ATD Redirect: A short two sentence lead and a paragraph, making a glorified dictionary entry, does not advance notability for a stand alone article. --
Otr500 (
talk) 20:09, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect per nom. 96.18.102.242 ( talk) 22:19, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect to Windows 10 version history#Version 21H1 (May 2021 Update) per above. Stifle ( talk) 09:29, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.