- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Consensus to not delete. What I mean by that is there is some substantial feeling that White Student Union (Towson) should be merged into this, and also substantial feeling that the two articles should both exist. What we're mostly concerned with here is whether to delete or not, and clearly the answer to that question is, no. The question of whether to merge or not can continue on the article talk pages as part of normal editorial process. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:23, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
White Student Unions
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Apparent content fork/POV fork of White Student Union, created by new ( SPA) user. FiredanceThroughTheNight ( talk) 02:38, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep though the other page should probably be moved to 'White Student Union (Towson)' Curro2 ( talk) 14:23, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Merge the two articles; the Towson group doesn't appear to be notable enough to warrant an article separate from the larger topic and should be included in the article as the most (only?) prominent example. ElKevbo ( talk) 17:15, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Merge concur with ElKevbo ---- Snowded TALK 18:06, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Merge per ElKevbo. -- Notecardforfree ( talk) 18:48, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Just to clarify my official position, I think we should keep this article and merge the content from the Towsen group's article into this article. -- Notecardforfree ( talk) 02:52, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - not a content fork but the main subject. Merge Towson group into this article. I tried to edit this article neutrally to protect it from SJWs and added historic information. I don't think the new pages have anything to do with white supremacy but it started there 50 years ago, and thus this is a subject that has been discussed in depth over the years. Why there is no article for Black Student Unions is a shame. —Мандичка YO 😜 11:32, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep this page please, it says alot about the different kids of white studentunions and also includes material which existed before. Previously there was just a page about one union "White Student Union", and this is mor einclusive and tells about other ones that exist. There has to be some article which talks about the emergence of the new swhite student unons that are calling for safe spaces for white students tot alk about their views because they feel muzzled and to differentiate that they are not of the white supremacist variety or that there are differences in some white student unions...some are more white supremacist and omse arent. Shannonfraser ( talk) 17:31, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
- — Note to closing admin: Shannonfraser ( talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.
- I was thinking, that merging the two articles may not be the best idea, that the Twoson WSU could have it's own page (in addition to this pne still existing) just like student unions from each university have thir own pages...you know like there's a page on religion in general and then a page for each religion etc.
Shannonfraser (
talk) 22:52, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
- That seems reasonable. If we were going to do that then at the very minimum, the article on the Towson WSU should be renamed to " White Student Union (Towson)". FiredanceThroughTheNight ( talk) 01:47, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
agreed Shannonfraser ( talk) 12:32, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 18:01, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 18:01, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
- Delete, or possibly Merge into another article. After trying to clean this up a bit, I've come to the conclusion that the overwhelming majority of the sources (and the overwhelming majority of the coverage) is about a 2015 hoax perpetuated by The Daily Stormer and 4chan in which numerous Facebook pages purporting to represent fictional white student unions at various colleges were created by people unrelated to the colleges in question; almost all sources describe it in a manner that is at a bare minimum extremely skeptical. See eg. here and here. While we might be able to have an article on that (alleged) hoax, there isn't any significant coverage of them distinct from it, so I don't feel we can support an article under this title that will pass WP:RS or WP:V. Another possible option would be to Rename to something along the lines of 'White Student Union Hoax' or the like; while there have been denials from the people who run the Facebook pages in question, not a single WP:RS, as far as I can tell, supports the idea that the 2015 eruption of Facebook pages represents anything real. -- Aquillion ( talk) 03:54, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
- The issue though is that it's a real thing that has existed for many years, and now is back in various (non-racist) forms. Regardless of how official they are, they are being reported on in reliable sources. And the one at Towson was created several years ago so it's not chan trolling. —Мандичка YO 😜 18:28, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 16:41, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 16:41, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 04:07, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 04:08, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
- Keep Google Books and Google Scholar both bring up a large number of sources which give coverage to the concept of white student unions. Many of these sources were published before the whole 4chan debacle. Here's a few of the numerous sources available: [1] [2] [3].
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Consensus to not delete. What I mean by that is there is some substantial feeling that White Student Union (Towson) should be merged into this, and also substantial feeling that the two articles should both exist. What we're mostly concerned with here is whether to delete or not, and clearly the answer to that question is, no. The question of whether to merge or not can continue on the article talk pages as part of normal editorial process. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:23, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
White Student Unions
- White Student Unions ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Apparent content fork/POV fork of White Student Union, created by new ( SPA) user. FiredanceThroughTheNight ( talk) 02:38, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep though the other page should probably be moved to 'White Student Union (Towson)' Curro2 ( talk) 14:23, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Merge the two articles; the Towson group doesn't appear to be notable enough to warrant an article separate from the larger topic and should be included in the article as the most (only?) prominent example. ElKevbo ( talk) 17:15, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Merge concur with ElKevbo ---- Snowded TALK 18:06, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
Merge per ElKevbo. -- Notecardforfree ( talk) 18:48, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
- Just to clarify my official position, I think we should keep this article and merge the content from the Towsen group's article into this article. -- Notecardforfree ( talk) 02:52, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - not a content fork but the main subject. Merge Towson group into this article. I tried to edit this article neutrally to protect it from SJWs and added historic information. I don't think the new pages have anything to do with white supremacy but it started there 50 years ago, and thus this is a subject that has been discussed in depth over the years. Why there is no article for Black Student Unions is a shame. —Мандичка YO 😜 11:32, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
- Keep this page please, it says alot about the different kids of white studentunions and also includes material which existed before. Previously there was just a page about one union "White Student Union", and this is mor einclusive and tells about other ones that exist. There has to be some article which talks about the emergence of the new swhite student unons that are calling for safe spaces for white students tot alk about their views because they feel muzzled and to differentiate that they are not of the white supremacist variety or that there are differences in some white student unions...some are more white supremacist and omse arent. Shannonfraser ( talk) 17:31, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
- — Note to closing admin: Shannonfraser ( talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.
- I was thinking, that merging the two articles may not be the best idea, that the Twoson WSU could have it's own page (in addition to this pne still existing) just like student unions from each university have thir own pages...you know like there's a page on religion in general and then a page for each religion etc.
Shannonfraser (
talk) 22:52, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
- That seems reasonable. If we were going to do that then at the very minimum, the article on the Towson WSU should be renamed to " White Student Union (Towson)". FiredanceThroughTheNight ( talk) 01:47, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
agreed Shannonfraser ( talk) 12:32, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 18:01, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 18:01, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
- Delete, or possibly Merge into another article. After trying to clean this up a bit, I've come to the conclusion that the overwhelming majority of the sources (and the overwhelming majority of the coverage) is about a 2015 hoax perpetuated by The Daily Stormer and 4chan in which numerous Facebook pages purporting to represent fictional white student unions at various colleges were created by people unrelated to the colleges in question; almost all sources describe it in a manner that is at a bare minimum extremely skeptical. See eg. here and here. While we might be able to have an article on that (alleged) hoax, there isn't any significant coverage of them distinct from it, so I don't feel we can support an article under this title that will pass WP:RS or WP:V. Another possible option would be to Rename to something along the lines of 'White Student Union Hoax' or the like; while there have been denials from the people who run the Facebook pages in question, not a single WP:RS, as far as I can tell, supports the idea that the 2015 eruption of Facebook pages represents anything real. -- Aquillion ( talk) 03:54, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
- The issue though is that it's a real thing that has existed for many years, and now is back in various (non-racist) forms. Regardless of how official they are, they are being reported on in reliable sources. And the one at Towson was created several years ago so it's not chan trolling. —Мандичка YO 😜 18:28, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 16:41, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk 16:41, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 04:07, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 04:08, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 04:08, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
- Keep Google Books and Google Scholar both bring up a large number of sources which give coverage to the concept of white student unions. Many of these sources were published before the whole 4chan debacle. Here's a few of the numerous sources available: [1] [2] [3].
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.