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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) JudgeRM (talk to me) 01:13, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Westmoreland Club
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- @ Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ), Zackmann08, and Jo-Jo Eumerus: Queried speedy delete as "non-notable organization". Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 16:28, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep meets the requirements for an entry. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 17:08, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep: I was readily able to add more sources. Can someone tell me why in the world this was nominated for speedy deletion? It was certainly causing no harm and speedy should be reserved for cases where exigencies require us to deprive other editors of the time and opportunity to review.-- Milowent • has spoken 21:33, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- At 19:04, 7 November 2016 User:Zackmann08 tagged the article for speedy delete as not notable. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 22:01, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- Delete nothing about this page indicates it is encyclopedic material. Looks like a promotional page about a nightclub that just gives some big dates it its history. -- Zackmann08 ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 22:45, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh ( talk) 00:37, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh ( talk) 00:37, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- Delete, local interest trivia and Wikipedia is not a newspaper. Kierzek ( talk) 01:26, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. Sources indicate this is a legitimately notable and historical social institution in Wilkes-Barre, [1] [2] [3] [4] described as the "crown jewel" of society in the region, with a membership that "spanned the entire coal region and beyond" [5]. Of interest: A celebrated decade-long defamation case centered around the plaintiff's allegation that he could no longer get dinner reservations at this club, and ultimately had to resign, because of a newspaper's report that he was being investigated for ties to organized crime; at one point a judge awarded the plaintiff $3.5 million in damages for this loss, but a later judge threw out the case as unproved. [6] [7] -- Arxiloxos ( talk) 16:35, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Music1201 talk 18:56, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Music1201 talk 18:56, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. Notable: there's coverage about it. I don't know if this speaks to what the deletion nominator dislikes, but it's broadly unfair, one could argue, that hifalutin' clubs and clubhouses (such as the West End Wheelmen's Club also in Wilkes-Barre, get listed as historic buildings and get coverage and get Wikipedia articles. That's how the world works in general though; there is a built-in bias of coverage toward the richer, dominant class of people and less coverage to lower-class. The U.S. National Register of Historic Places makes some effort to encourage listing of historic sites of under-represented groups, but still. Here at AFD we can't change that. -- do ncr am 21:41, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep along much the same lines as above - passes WP:GNG, both per the sources above, and more avalible online. Just because there are tone issues (as mentioned above) does not mean this is an automatic delete. Mdann52 ( talk) 21:19, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep Ample sourcing available per above. Remember folks, AFD is not cleanup. Smartyllama ( talk) 21:49, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) JudgeRM (talk to me) 01:13, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
Westmoreland Club
- Westmoreland Club ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
- @ Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ), Zackmann08, and Jo-Jo Eumerus: Queried speedy delete as "non-notable organization". Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 16:28, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep meets the requirements for an entry. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 17:08, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep: I was readily able to add more sources. Can someone tell me why in the world this was nominated for speedy deletion? It was certainly causing no harm and speedy should be reserved for cases where exigencies require us to deprive other editors of the time and opportunity to review.-- Milowent • has spoken 21:33, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- At 19:04, 7 November 2016 User:Zackmann08 tagged the article for speedy delete as not notable. Anthony Appleyard ( talk) 22:01, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
- Delete nothing about this page indicates it is encyclopedic material. Looks like a promotional page about a nightclub that just gives some big dates it its history. -- Zackmann08 ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 22:45, 8 November 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh ( talk) 00:37, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh ( talk) 00:37, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- Delete, local interest trivia and Wikipedia is not a newspaper. Kierzek ( talk) 01:26, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. Sources indicate this is a legitimately notable and historical social institution in Wilkes-Barre, [1] [2] [3] [4] described as the "crown jewel" of society in the region, with a membership that "spanned the entire coal region and beyond" [5]. Of interest: A celebrated decade-long defamation case centered around the plaintiff's allegation that he could no longer get dinner reservations at this club, and ultimately had to resign, because of a newspaper's report that he was being investigated for ties to organized crime; at one point a judge awarded the plaintiff $3.5 million in damages for this loss, but a later judge threw out the case as unproved. [6] [7] -- Arxiloxos ( talk) 16:35, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Music1201 talk 18:56, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Music1201 talk 18:56, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. Notable: there's coverage about it. I don't know if this speaks to what the deletion nominator dislikes, but it's broadly unfair, one could argue, that hifalutin' clubs and clubhouses (such as the West End Wheelmen's Club also in Wilkes-Barre, get listed as historic buildings and get coverage and get Wikipedia articles. That's how the world works in general though; there is a built-in bias of coverage toward the richer, dominant class of people and less coverage to lower-class. The U.S. National Register of Historic Places makes some effort to encourage listing of historic sites of under-represented groups, but still. Here at AFD we can't change that. -- do ncr am 21:41, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep along much the same lines as above - passes WP:GNG, both per the sources above, and more avalible online. Just because there are tone issues (as mentioned above) does not mean this is an automatic delete. Mdann52 ( talk) 21:19, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
- Keep Ample sourcing available per above. Remember folks, AFD is not cleanup. Smartyllama ( talk) 21:49, 29 November 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.