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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Sk8erPrince ( talk) 03:51, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
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Either that alleged Seiyu Award be sourced, or face deletion. Weak news coverage, and the references listed do not talk about Wataru Hatano as the main subject. Definitely non-notable. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 05:32, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 14:06, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep Seiyu Awards is a major award for voice actors in Japan, and it is now sourced. ANN shows 74 news articles about Hatano, which suggests more than just plain cast announcements in terms of notable roles in notable productions. VADB shows 314 roles. [1]. In Fairy Tail he voices Gajeel Redfox, a major character in the series. He is also the main character in Nogizaka Haruka no Himitsu, Josuke Higashikata in some of the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure games, and Rufus in Street Fighter. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 14:24, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- 74 news articles from ANN? Suuuuuure. How about you find a way to reference at least half of those articles in a more detailed biography? If you could manage that, I'll withdraw this AFD. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 15:08, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per AngusWOOF. Passes WP:ANYBIO for having received a significant award, and passes WP:ENTERTAINER for having significant roles in multiple notable works. Calathan ( talk) 15:23, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Yeah, ok. Limited sources is still a thing, though. What happened to the importance in writing more detailed biographies? 2 sentences, that's it? You guys could do better than that if you really intend to keep the article. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
16:24, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- AFD is not cleanup. Articles are kept based on the notability of the subject, not based on the quality of the current article. It's true that the article could be improved by adding more sources. Please go ahead and add them rather than trying to make everyone else do the work.
Calathan (
talk)
16:59, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- You need strong, reliable sources to assert the subject's notability; what part of that do you not understand? The quality of the article DOES matter; how else would I know whether or not the subject is actually notable? Also, I'll have you know, different Wikipedians specialize in different areas. Did I offend you for not specializing in the field of expansion? Well, did I? I'd like to think that I specialize in nominating articles for deletion, and forming arguments to state my case. When I nominate an article for deletion, it is YOUR burden of proof to assert the subject's notability, not mine. Do understand that I don't have that responsibility. As the nominator, my duty is to see that the article eventually gets deleted, though I don't think Wataru's article is going to be erased due to some of the alleged references you people claim to have. So far, Angus has added the Seiyu Awards citation. I'd really like to see more, so that I may be inclinded to withdraw this AFD. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
17:23, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Again, read
WP:BEFORE it states: "Before nominating: checks and alternatives" "Carry out these checks".
WP:BURDEN applies to editors who add/remove content from articles, and not to the AfD process. -
Knowledgekid87 (
talk)
17:44, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- To Knowledge: Learn to read revisions in the history section before you lecture me on A, B and C. Before Angus added the citation on Wataru's Seiyu Award, the limited and weak sources lead to believe the subject himself isn't notable enough. Is that a problem? You have no grounds to dispute me on this matter. Be more like Angus, who actually bothers to look for strong sources. Also, would anyone have BOTHERED to look for strong sources for Wataru before this AFD was even created? Uh, no. So yeah - do understand that an AFD could also be used to shorten an article's life until you disputers find enough sources to back your claim of the subject's notability. I honestly don't see how notable Wataru is until Angus added in the aforementioned citation, but even then, I'd like to see more before I decide on withdrawing. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
23:37, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Again.. you have not addressed if you looked for sources BEFORE nominating the AfD which can lead others to believe it is a bad faith nomination. As for your attitude I have not seen editors last that long here if it is maintained. -
Knowledgekid87 (
talk)
23:47, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- If I nominate an AFD, and you wish to dispute, list your sources and give me strong arguments. You could seriously learn a thing or two from Angus. I don't need to state whether or not I've looked for sources, alright? It's irrelevant. Also, I most certainly wouldn't suddenly put AFDs on notable seiyu such as Takahiro Sakurai, Kana Hanazawa, Kotono Mitsuishi, etc. Understand that just LOOKING at Wataru's page, the first impression I got is that he's non-notable. Is that a problem? -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 01:56, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- Again.. you have not addressed if you looked for sources BEFORE nominating the AfD which can lead others to believe it is a bad faith nomination. As for your attitude I have not seen editors last that long here if it is maintained. -
Knowledgekid87 (
talk)
23:47, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- To Knowledge: Learn to read revisions in the history section before you lecture me on A, B and C. Before Angus added the citation on Wataru's Seiyu Award, the limited and weak sources lead to believe the subject himself isn't notable enough. Is that a problem? You have no grounds to dispute me on this matter. Be more like Angus, who actually bothers to look for strong sources. Also, would anyone have BOTHERED to look for strong sources for Wataru before this AFD was even created? Uh, no. So yeah - do understand that an AFD could also be used to shorten an article's life until you disputers find enough sources to back your claim of the subject's notability. I honestly don't see how notable Wataru is until Angus added in the aforementioned citation, but even then, I'd like to see more before I decide on withdrawing. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
23:37, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Sk8erPrince, please see
WP:BATTLEGROUND. It isn't your duty to get the articles deleted now that you've nominated them. Instead, the purpose of an AFD is to have a discussion to determine if the article should be kept, and you should be equally happy with the subject being shown to be notable and kept as with the subject being shown to be non-notable and deleted.
Calathan (
talk)
18:09, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- To Calathan: I'm sorry, what? If I don't intend to erase nominated articles, then why would I nominate them in the first place? Look, I won't have a problem if you guys can somehow assert the subject's notability. Contrary to what you might think, I don't. But if all you can do is lecture me on HOW I should do things, then I really urge you to stop. Focus more on finding stronger references to assert the subject's notability, and when I see enough strong sources, I'll automatically close the AFD. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 23:37, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Again, read
WP:BEFORE it states: "Before nominating: checks and alternatives" "Carry out these checks".
WP:BURDEN applies to editors who add/remove content from articles, and not to the AfD process. -
Knowledgekid87 (
talk)
17:44, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- You need strong, reliable sources to assert the subject's notability; what part of that do you not understand? The quality of the article DOES matter; how else would I know whether or not the subject is actually notable? Also, I'll have you know, different Wikipedians specialize in different areas. Did I offend you for not specializing in the field of expansion? Well, did I? I'd like to think that I specialize in nominating articles for deletion, and forming arguments to state my case. When I nominate an article for deletion, it is YOUR burden of proof to assert the subject's notability, not mine. Do understand that I don't have that responsibility. As the nominator, my duty is to see that the article eventually gets deleted, though I don't think Wataru's article is going to be erased due to some of the alleged references you people claim to have. So far, Angus has added the Seiyu Awards citation. I'd really like to see more, so that I may be inclinded to withdraw this AFD. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
17:23, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- AFD is not cleanup. Articles are kept based on the notability of the subject, not based on the quality of the current article. It's true that the article could be improved by adding more sources. Please go ahead and add them rather than trying to make everyone else do the work.
Calathan (
talk)
16:59, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Yeah, ok. Limited sources is still a thing, though. What happened to the importance in writing more detailed biographies? 2 sentences, that's it? You guys could do better than that if you really intend to keep the article. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
16:24, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 16:15, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the
list of Japan-related deletion discussions.
Shawn in Montreal (
talk)
16:15, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- I appreciate your identifying stub articles with unsourced filmographies. We really do need more effort on finding which of these are worth keeping around and which ones don't have much potential for anything. I'm trying to retain ones that should meet
WP:ENT and could use a decent writeup, and ones where the actors have won a top award for their field would be worth digging into.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff)
17:01, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks. Now, if you could put in 2-3 strong sources and references in the article, I'll be really inclined to withdraw this AFD. Thanks again! --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
23:37, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Angus, or anyone else for that matter, if you people could list Wataru's roles in this format, I'll withdraw this AFD immediately. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 01:56, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks. Now, if you could put in 2-3 strong sources and references in the article, I'll be really inclined to withdraw this AFD. Thanks again! --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
23:37, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- I appreciate your identifying stub articles with unsourced filmographies. We really do need more effort on finding which of these are worth keeping around and which ones don't have much potential for anything. I'm trying to retain ones that should meet
WP:ENT and could use a decent writeup, and ones where the actors have won a top award for their field would be worth digging into.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff)
17:01, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:03, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:03, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep The Seiyu Awards is a good enough indication to me that the subject is notable for their works. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 00:04, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- Strong keep Won an award, thus passing our notability guidelines. Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 03:18, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- All of you have made strong assertions on claiming the subject's notability, so I shall withdraw this AFD. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 03:51, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Sk8erPrince ( talk) 03:51, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- Wataru Hatano ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Either that alleged Seiyu Award be sourced, or face deletion. Weak news coverage, and the references listed do not talk about Wataru Hatano as the main subject. Definitely non-notable. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 05:32, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 14:06, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep Seiyu Awards is a major award for voice actors in Japan, and it is now sourced. ANN shows 74 news articles about Hatano, which suggests more than just plain cast announcements in terms of notable roles in notable productions. VADB shows 314 roles. [1]. In Fairy Tail he voices Gajeel Redfox, a major character in the series. He is also the main character in Nogizaka Haruka no Himitsu, Josuke Higashikata in some of the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure games, and Rufus in Street Fighter. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 14:24, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- 74 news articles from ANN? Suuuuuure. How about you find a way to reference at least half of those articles in a more detailed biography? If you could manage that, I'll withdraw this AFD. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 15:08, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per AngusWOOF. Passes WP:ANYBIO for having received a significant award, and passes WP:ENTERTAINER for having significant roles in multiple notable works. Calathan ( talk) 15:23, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Yeah, ok. Limited sources is still a thing, though. What happened to the importance in writing more detailed biographies? 2 sentences, that's it? You guys could do better than that if you really intend to keep the article. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
16:24, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- AFD is not cleanup. Articles are kept based on the notability of the subject, not based on the quality of the current article. It's true that the article could be improved by adding more sources. Please go ahead and add them rather than trying to make everyone else do the work.
Calathan (
talk)
16:59, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- You need strong, reliable sources to assert the subject's notability; what part of that do you not understand? The quality of the article DOES matter; how else would I know whether or not the subject is actually notable? Also, I'll have you know, different Wikipedians specialize in different areas. Did I offend you for not specializing in the field of expansion? Well, did I? I'd like to think that I specialize in nominating articles for deletion, and forming arguments to state my case. When I nominate an article for deletion, it is YOUR burden of proof to assert the subject's notability, not mine. Do understand that I don't have that responsibility. As the nominator, my duty is to see that the article eventually gets deleted, though I don't think Wataru's article is going to be erased due to some of the alleged references you people claim to have. So far, Angus has added the Seiyu Awards citation. I'd really like to see more, so that I may be inclinded to withdraw this AFD. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
17:23, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Again, read
WP:BEFORE it states: "Before nominating: checks and alternatives" "Carry out these checks".
WP:BURDEN applies to editors who add/remove content from articles, and not to the AfD process. -
Knowledgekid87 (
talk)
17:44, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- To Knowledge: Learn to read revisions in the history section before you lecture me on A, B and C. Before Angus added the citation on Wataru's Seiyu Award, the limited and weak sources lead to believe the subject himself isn't notable enough. Is that a problem? You have no grounds to dispute me on this matter. Be more like Angus, who actually bothers to look for strong sources. Also, would anyone have BOTHERED to look for strong sources for Wataru before this AFD was even created? Uh, no. So yeah - do understand that an AFD could also be used to shorten an article's life until you disputers find enough sources to back your claim of the subject's notability. I honestly don't see how notable Wataru is until Angus added in the aforementioned citation, but even then, I'd like to see more before I decide on withdrawing. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
23:37, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Again.. you have not addressed if you looked for sources BEFORE nominating the AfD which can lead others to believe it is a bad faith nomination. As for your attitude I have not seen editors last that long here if it is maintained. -
Knowledgekid87 (
talk)
23:47, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- If I nominate an AFD, and you wish to dispute, list your sources and give me strong arguments. You could seriously learn a thing or two from Angus. I don't need to state whether or not I've looked for sources, alright? It's irrelevant. Also, I most certainly wouldn't suddenly put AFDs on notable seiyu such as Takahiro Sakurai, Kana Hanazawa, Kotono Mitsuishi, etc. Understand that just LOOKING at Wataru's page, the first impression I got is that he's non-notable. Is that a problem? -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 01:56, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- Again.. you have not addressed if you looked for sources BEFORE nominating the AfD which can lead others to believe it is a bad faith nomination. As for your attitude I have not seen editors last that long here if it is maintained. -
Knowledgekid87 (
talk)
23:47, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- To Knowledge: Learn to read revisions in the history section before you lecture me on A, B and C. Before Angus added the citation on Wataru's Seiyu Award, the limited and weak sources lead to believe the subject himself isn't notable enough. Is that a problem? You have no grounds to dispute me on this matter. Be more like Angus, who actually bothers to look for strong sources. Also, would anyone have BOTHERED to look for strong sources for Wataru before this AFD was even created? Uh, no. So yeah - do understand that an AFD could also be used to shorten an article's life until you disputers find enough sources to back your claim of the subject's notability. I honestly don't see how notable Wataru is until Angus added in the aforementioned citation, but even then, I'd like to see more before I decide on withdrawing. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
23:37, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Sk8erPrince, please see
WP:BATTLEGROUND. It isn't your duty to get the articles deleted now that you've nominated them. Instead, the purpose of an AFD is to have a discussion to determine if the article should be kept, and you should be equally happy with the subject being shown to be notable and kept as with the subject being shown to be non-notable and deleted.
Calathan (
talk)
18:09, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- To Calathan: I'm sorry, what? If I don't intend to erase nominated articles, then why would I nominate them in the first place? Look, I won't have a problem if you guys can somehow assert the subject's notability. Contrary to what you might think, I don't. But if all you can do is lecture me on HOW I should do things, then I really urge you to stop. Focus more on finding stronger references to assert the subject's notability, and when I see enough strong sources, I'll automatically close the AFD. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 23:37, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Again, read
WP:BEFORE it states: "Before nominating: checks and alternatives" "Carry out these checks".
WP:BURDEN applies to editors who add/remove content from articles, and not to the AfD process. -
Knowledgekid87 (
talk)
17:44, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- You need strong, reliable sources to assert the subject's notability; what part of that do you not understand? The quality of the article DOES matter; how else would I know whether or not the subject is actually notable? Also, I'll have you know, different Wikipedians specialize in different areas. Did I offend you for not specializing in the field of expansion? Well, did I? I'd like to think that I specialize in nominating articles for deletion, and forming arguments to state my case. When I nominate an article for deletion, it is YOUR burden of proof to assert the subject's notability, not mine. Do understand that I don't have that responsibility. As the nominator, my duty is to see that the article eventually gets deleted, though I don't think Wataru's article is going to be erased due to some of the alleged references you people claim to have. So far, Angus has added the Seiyu Awards citation. I'd really like to see more, so that I may be inclinded to withdraw this AFD. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
17:23, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- AFD is not cleanup. Articles are kept based on the notability of the subject, not based on the quality of the current article. It's true that the article could be improved by adding more sources. Please go ahead and add them rather than trying to make everyone else do the work.
Calathan (
talk)
16:59, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Yeah, ok. Limited sources is still a thing, though. What happened to the importance in writing more detailed biographies? 2 sentences, that's it? You guys could do better than that if you really intend to keep the article. --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
16:24, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 16:15, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the
list of Japan-related deletion discussions.
Shawn in Montreal (
talk)
16:15, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- I appreciate your identifying stub articles with unsourced filmographies. We really do need more effort on finding which of these are worth keeping around and which ones don't have much potential for anything. I'm trying to retain ones that should meet
WP:ENT and could use a decent writeup, and ones where the actors have won a top award for their field would be worth digging into.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff)
17:01, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks. Now, if you could put in 2-3 strong sources and references in the article, I'll be really inclined to withdraw this AFD. Thanks again! --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
23:37, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Angus, or anyone else for that matter, if you people could list Wataru's roles in this format, I'll withdraw this AFD immediately. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 01:56, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks. Now, if you could put in 2-3 strong sources and references in the article, I'll be really inclined to withdraw this AFD. Thanks again! --
Sk8erPrince (
talk)
23:37, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- I appreciate your identifying stub articles with unsourced filmographies. We really do need more effort on finding which of these are worth keeping around and which ones don't have much potential for anything. I'm trying to retain ones that should meet
WP:ENT and could use a decent writeup, and ones where the actors have won a top award for their field would be worth digging into.
AngusWOOF (
bark •
sniff)
17:01, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:03, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. AngusWOOF ( bark • sniff) 17:03, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep The Seiyu Awards is a good enough indication to me that the subject is notable for their works. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 00:04, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- Strong keep Won an award, thus passing our notability guidelines. Narutolovehinata5 t c csd new 03:18, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- All of you have made strong assertions on claiming the subject's notability, so I shall withdraw this AFD. -- Sk8erPrince ( talk) 03:51, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.