The result was redirect to Porridge (TV series)#Cast. The history will remain incase anyone wants to merge this or any of the other character pages. J04n( talk page) 10:52, 25 February 2013 (UTC) reply
Unreferenced for more than 6 years. A search on Google and Google Books returned no sources that could be used to establish notability. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 21:38, 3 February 2013 (UTC) reply
{{
R from cast member}}
– My online search for sources turned up:
IMDb •
British Comedy Guide. One would probably need to search 1970s TV guides and newspapers for anything more authoritative. I have no problem with removing it from the encyclopedia as I feel that
Porridge (TV series) has an adequate overview of the series'
characters, and detailed information on each character may be too much information for a general encyclopedia. However I point out that template {{
Porridge}} includes nine other characters, and none of them are referenced either:
Norman Stanley Fletcher •
Lennie Godber •
Ingrid Fletcher •
Mr Mackay •
Mr Barrowclough •
'Genial' Harry Grout •
Blanco Webb •
McClaren (Porridge) •
Lukewarm (Porridge). Each of these articles was started 27–28 July 2004 by
Crestville (
talk). It seems arbitrary to delete this one Porridge character without deleting the others as well. This article was previously
nominated for a merge into
Porridge (TV series) in May 2009, however that "merge" was
completed a week later via
deletion by redirection (see
Porridge (TV series): June 2009 Revision history). The idea of merging just this one article without merging the others as well also seems arbitrary to me. I see that the deletion by redirection policy (
WP:ATD-R) says: "Sometimes an
unsuitable article may have a title that would make a useful
redirect. In these cases, deletion is not required; any user can
boldly redirect to another article. If the change is disputed, an attempt should be made on the
talk page to reach a
consensus before restoring the redirect." Crestville and others obviously feel this topic is worthwhile, as they have put some time & effort into these articles. While I'm inclined to steer them to
IMDb (I've never contributed there, so I'm unfamiliar with their citation policies), as long as these pages don't have copyright violations or other show-stoppers, I see no harm in
redirecting them to
Porridge (TV series)#Cast, where some future editor willing to locate 1970s-era sources which establish notability, might find them and more easily resurrect them. Maintaining the history in redirects is a way of letting other editors know that there is some level of interest in the topic. I'm disinclined to support a merge, as this is all unreferenced material, priority should be given to referenced material, and there is a large backlog at
Category:Articles to be merged after an Articles for deletion discussion—unless a merge supporter here volunteers to actually do the merge. I advise opening a deletion discussion on the other {{
Porridge}} characters as well. Is there a way to convert this to a centralized, multi-deletion discussion on all of these? –
Wbm1058 (
talk) 21:39, 4 February 2013 (UTC) added proposed redirect category template: {{
R from cast member}}
–
Wbm1058 (
talk)
12:55, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
replyThe result was redirect to Porridge (TV series)#Cast. The history will remain incase anyone wants to merge this or any of the other character pages. J04n( talk page) 10:52, 25 February 2013 (UTC) reply
Unreferenced for more than 6 years. A search on Google and Google Books returned no sources that could be used to establish notability. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 21:38, 3 February 2013 (UTC) reply
{{
R from cast member}}
– My online search for sources turned up:
IMDb •
British Comedy Guide. One would probably need to search 1970s TV guides and newspapers for anything more authoritative. I have no problem with removing it from the encyclopedia as I feel that
Porridge (TV series) has an adequate overview of the series'
characters, and detailed information on each character may be too much information for a general encyclopedia. However I point out that template {{
Porridge}} includes nine other characters, and none of them are referenced either:
Norman Stanley Fletcher •
Lennie Godber •
Ingrid Fletcher •
Mr Mackay •
Mr Barrowclough •
'Genial' Harry Grout •
Blanco Webb •
McClaren (Porridge) •
Lukewarm (Porridge). Each of these articles was started 27–28 July 2004 by
Crestville (
talk). It seems arbitrary to delete this one Porridge character without deleting the others as well. This article was previously
nominated for a merge into
Porridge (TV series) in May 2009, however that "merge" was
completed a week later via
deletion by redirection (see
Porridge (TV series): June 2009 Revision history). The idea of merging just this one article without merging the others as well also seems arbitrary to me. I see that the deletion by redirection policy (
WP:ATD-R) says: "Sometimes an
unsuitable article may have a title that would make a useful
redirect. In these cases, deletion is not required; any user can
boldly redirect to another article. If the change is disputed, an attempt should be made on the
talk page to reach a
consensus before restoring the redirect." Crestville and others obviously feel this topic is worthwhile, as they have put some time & effort into these articles. While I'm inclined to steer them to
IMDb (I've never contributed there, so I'm unfamiliar with their citation policies), as long as these pages don't have copyright violations or other show-stoppers, I see no harm in
redirecting them to
Porridge (TV series)#Cast, where some future editor willing to locate 1970s-era sources which establish notability, might find them and more easily resurrect them. Maintaining the history in redirects is a way of letting other editors know that there is some level of interest in the topic. I'm disinclined to support a merge, as this is all unreferenced material, priority should be given to referenced material, and there is a large backlog at
Category:Articles to be merged after an Articles for deletion discussion—unless a merge supporter here volunteers to actually do the merge. I advise opening a deletion discussion on the other {{
Porridge}} characters as well. Is there a way to convert this to a centralized, multi-deletion discussion on all of these? –
Wbm1058 (
talk) 21:39, 4 February 2013 (UTC) added proposed redirect category template: {{
R from cast member}}
–
Wbm1058 (
talk)
12:55, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
reply