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The result was delete. Editors should feel free to write about this "unknown" species once more reliable information is available. Liz Read! Talk! 01:41, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Wainuia (species unknown)
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Merge to Wainuia, until it is formally described. ——🦝 The Interaccoonale Will be the raccoon race ( talk・ contribs) 01:15, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organisms-related deletion discussions. ——🦝 The Interaccoonale Will be the raccoon race ( talk・ contribs) 01:15, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Note that we have a well-populated Category:Undescribed species, and that this is not functionally different from species (or entire species groups) like Pseudomonas tomato that have not yet been formally described and go under an unofficial designation in the meantime. That there is only a single source might be more of an issue - for a valid taxon a single source is fine, for a candidate species that seems a little shaky. -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 13:21, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- Agree with Plantdrew's point that the main problem with that single source is that it does not clearly identify a single species. -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 09:26, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. There is no context (this was previously nominated for speedy deletion via WP:A1). The information in this article applies to ANY undescribed species of Wainuia. The title doesn't provide any context; again the title could be used for ANY undescribed species of Wainuia. Other articles on undescribed organisms have titles with a unique (within a given source) provisional designation, and usually the provisional designation has some meaningful information about the organism (where it is found, or a morphological feature). The single source in the article mentions two undescribed species of Wainuia; "Wainuia cf. edwardi Mt Tuhua, Westland" and "Wainuia n.sp. Fiordland". It is impossible to tell from the content of the article which of these undescribed species it is supposed to be about (although the link from Wainuia mentions Fiordland). Plantdrew ( talk) 16:48, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- delete Obvious offense against WP:NOTNEWS. Write an article when we actually know something about the subject. 16:02, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Pretty sure that particular guideline is inapplicable here. The problem is that the species in question cannot be uniquely identified from the source - different issue, same outcome (can't inform an article with the material). As noted, undescribed species with similarly scanty information make usable, if hardly great, material if they are clearly identifiable. --
Elmidae (
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18:28, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- The problem is that someone looked at a news report and decided an article had to be written about the thing right now. I will have to reserve judgement about other undescribed species articles, but the lack of formal description is not the root problem here. Mangoe ( talk) 20:34, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Pretty sure that particular guideline is inapplicable here. The problem is that the species in question cannot be uniquely identified from the source - different issue, same outcome (can't inform an article with the material). As noted, undescribed species with similarly scanty information make usable, if hardly great, material if they are clearly identifiable. --
Elmidae (
talk ·
contribs)
18:28, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Editors should feel free to write about this "unknown" species once more reliable information is available. Liz Read! Talk! 01:41, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
Wainuia (species unknown)
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Merge to Wainuia, until it is formally described. ——🦝 The Interaccoonale Will be the raccoon race ( talk・ contribs) 01:15, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organisms-related deletion discussions. ——🦝 The Interaccoonale Will be the raccoon race ( talk・ contribs) 01:15, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Note that we have a well-populated Category:Undescribed species, and that this is not functionally different from species (or entire species groups) like Pseudomonas tomato that have not yet been formally described and go under an unofficial designation in the meantime. That there is only a single source might be more of an issue - for a valid taxon a single source is fine, for a candidate species that seems a little shaky. -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 13:21, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- Agree with Plantdrew's point that the main problem with that single source is that it does not clearly identify a single species. -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 09:26, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. There is no context (this was previously nominated for speedy deletion via WP:A1). The information in this article applies to ANY undescribed species of Wainuia. The title doesn't provide any context; again the title could be used for ANY undescribed species of Wainuia. Other articles on undescribed organisms have titles with a unique (within a given source) provisional designation, and usually the provisional designation has some meaningful information about the organism (where it is found, or a morphological feature). The single source in the article mentions two undescribed species of Wainuia; "Wainuia cf. edwardi Mt Tuhua, Westland" and "Wainuia n.sp. Fiordland". It is impossible to tell from the content of the article which of these undescribed species it is supposed to be about (although the link from Wainuia mentions Fiordland). Plantdrew ( talk) 16:48, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:00, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- delete Obvious offense against WP:NOTNEWS. Write an article when we actually know something about the subject. 16:02, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Pretty sure that particular guideline is inapplicable here. The problem is that the species in question cannot be uniquely identified from the source - different issue, same outcome (can't inform an article with the material). As noted, undescribed species with similarly scanty information make usable, if hardly great, material if they are clearly identifiable. --
Elmidae (
talk ·
contribs)
18:28, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- The problem is that someone looked at a news report and decided an article had to be written about the thing right now. I will have to reserve judgement about other undescribed species articles, but the lack of formal description is not the root problem here. Mangoe ( talk) 20:34, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Pretty sure that particular guideline is inapplicable here. The problem is that the species in question cannot be uniquely identified from the source - different issue, same outcome (can't inform an article with the material). As noted, undescribed species with similarly scanty information make usable, if hardly great, material if they are clearly identifiable. --
Elmidae (
talk ·
contribs)
18:28, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.