The result was Merge all; there is no doubt whatsoever that Kim Possible is a very notable television series; and that some of the characters listed in this AfD are of significant importance to that series. However, importance is not notability and the flaw that none of those articles are supported by reliable sources is fatal: any information in them is necessarily taken from primary sources and therefore original synthesis. That is the case even for the more important characters.
The vast number of characters involved, however, would almost certainly make the main article unwieldy so I will redirect all of those articles to the (existing) List of Kim Possible Characters, into which relevant contents can then be merged (please remember to keep WP:NOT#PLOT in mind and eschew plot summaries). — Coren (talk) 01:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Topic of the article is not notable, there is no significant coverage by reliable secondary source, in fact there are no secondary sources whatsoever and it seems unlikely that any will be found. The article is written from an in universe perspective and due to the lack of available sources it would be impossible to correct this without masses of original research, which the article is already rife with. The character in question is not notable in the real world and should not be the topic of an article. To sum up, policy ( WP:V) states "If no reliable, third-party sources can be found for an article topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." - there are no reliable third party sources given in the article and I find it very unlikely that any wil be found.
I am also nominating the following articles for the same reasons:
Guest9999 ( talk) 01:33, 1 January 2008 (UTC) reply
While still a guiding policy in Wikipedia editing, WP:V was not written with popular culture in mind. It requires levels of proof that most elements in pop-culture struggle too meet, especially since WP:RS advices against most of the third party sources that would otherwise be used. There are plenty of sources out there to verify the notability of these characters, but they are in magazines, TV guides, and on stage at fan conventions. Sources which Wikipedia policies/guidelines aimed primarily at academic subjects discourage strongly. What we have here is a classic case of some well written (and some not so well written) entries that meet with the spirit of Wikipedia being put up for Afd because they don't meet the exact letter of the law.
In this instance I would ask that the administrators presiding over this case put spirit above policy. At least in some cases. For example, the characters Shego, Bonnie Rockwaller and Doctor Drakken are all fully sourced using franchise sources. Every significant statement made is backed up by details of an episode which can be used to confirm them. Shego, Bonnie Rockwaller and Doctor Drakken are all notable characters in a notable franchise. They survived for 4 seasons and 2 movies. Which isn't bad since the show was canceled after finishing it's third season, but was relaunched after fans campaigned for it's return.
Wikipedia is supposed to be about the free flow of knowledge, not stiff unbending guidelines. Deleting, or even merging Shego, Bonnie Rockwaller and Doctor Drakken would be a serious step back for Wikipedia. It would effectively be saying that something isn't important unless it is academically important. Shego, Bonnie Rockwaller and Doctor Drakken are all highly notable because they form one half of the core of the Kim Possible franchise. Without them the franchise would not exist. They are well sources using appropriate sources for a children cartoon and the statements made in them are all justified by linking them to the episodes that highlight what is being discussed. I believe that this is a clear case when Wikipedia:Ignore all rules should be brought into play. WP:V and WP:RS in this case are just too restrictive on the grounds that no matter how notable a children's cartoon is you will pretty much never get any third party sources other than reviews on fan/viewer websites and the occasional magazine article in the back of a TV guide. WP:V and WP:RS are not designed to deal with such a situation. In fact applying them would pretty much wipe out all children's TV related entries other than a few contentious or historical ones.
Shego - Strong Keep. Shego is a primary villain who has appeared in 4 series, 2 movies, multiple video games, and a cinemanga comic. She plays a significant role in a notable franchise and is often portrayed as the villainous counterpart of the hero. Her notability is significantly strengthened by the fact that her popularity amongst fans directly influenced the direction of the show, with the franchise's production team writing the finale script so that she could come out of the series on top, rather than defeated.
The Stoppables Keep this page already deals with multiple characters.
perfectblue ( talk) 14:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
The character listed above vary CONSIDERABLY in importance and notability.
Specifically, that the characters Doctor Drakken, Shego and Bonnie Rockwaller are considerably more notable within the franchise than all of the other characters due to the size of the roles that they play within the franchise, their importance to the franchise's scripts, and their number of appearances.
When reaching a conclusion could those preceding in this consider ruling separately on different characters, rather than in bulk.
perfectblue ( talk) 14:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
The result was Merge all; there is no doubt whatsoever that Kim Possible is a very notable television series; and that some of the characters listed in this AfD are of significant importance to that series. However, importance is not notability and the flaw that none of those articles are supported by reliable sources is fatal: any information in them is necessarily taken from primary sources and therefore original synthesis. That is the case even for the more important characters.
The vast number of characters involved, however, would almost certainly make the main article unwieldy so I will redirect all of those articles to the (existing) List of Kim Possible Characters, into which relevant contents can then be merged (please remember to keep WP:NOT#PLOT in mind and eschew plot summaries). — Coren (talk) 01:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Topic of the article is not notable, there is no significant coverage by reliable secondary source, in fact there are no secondary sources whatsoever and it seems unlikely that any will be found. The article is written from an in universe perspective and due to the lack of available sources it would be impossible to correct this without masses of original research, which the article is already rife with. The character in question is not notable in the real world and should not be the topic of an article. To sum up, policy ( WP:V) states "If no reliable, third-party sources can be found for an article topic, Wikipedia should not have an article on it." - there are no reliable third party sources given in the article and I find it very unlikely that any wil be found.
I am also nominating the following articles for the same reasons:
Guest9999 ( talk) 01:33, 1 January 2008 (UTC) reply
While still a guiding policy in Wikipedia editing, WP:V was not written with popular culture in mind. It requires levels of proof that most elements in pop-culture struggle too meet, especially since WP:RS advices against most of the third party sources that would otherwise be used. There are plenty of sources out there to verify the notability of these characters, but they are in magazines, TV guides, and on stage at fan conventions. Sources which Wikipedia policies/guidelines aimed primarily at academic subjects discourage strongly. What we have here is a classic case of some well written (and some not so well written) entries that meet with the spirit of Wikipedia being put up for Afd because they don't meet the exact letter of the law.
In this instance I would ask that the administrators presiding over this case put spirit above policy. At least in some cases. For example, the characters Shego, Bonnie Rockwaller and Doctor Drakken are all fully sourced using franchise sources. Every significant statement made is backed up by details of an episode which can be used to confirm them. Shego, Bonnie Rockwaller and Doctor Drakken are all notable characters in a notable franchise. They survived for 4 seasons and 2 movies. Which isn't bad since the show was canceled after finishing it's third season, but was relaunched after fans campaigned for it's return.
Wikipedia is supposed to be about the free flow of knowledge, not stiff unbending guidelines. Deleting, or even merging Shego, Bonnie Rockwaller and Doctor Drakken would be a serious step back for Wikipedia. It would effectively be saying that something isn't important unless it is academically important. Shego, Bonnie Rockwaller and Doctor Drakken are all highly notable because they form one half of the core of the Kim Possible franchise. Without them the franchise would not exist. They are well sources using appropriate sources for a children cartoon and the statements made in them are all justified by linking them to the episodes that highlight what is being discussed. I believe that this is a clear case when Wikipedia:Ignore all rules should be brought into play. WP:V and WP:RS in this case are just too restrictive on the grounds that no matter how notable a children's cartoon is you will pretty much never get any third party sources other than reviews on fan/viewer websites and the occasional magazine article in the back of a TV guide. WP:V and WP:RS are not designed to deal with such a situation. In fact applying them would pretty much wipe out all children's TV related entries other than a few contentious or historical ones.
Shego - Strong Keep. Shego is a primary villain who has appeared in 4 series, 2 movies, multiple video games, and a cinemanga comic. She plays a significant role in a notable franchise and is often portrayed as the villainous counterpart of the hero. Her notability is significantly strengthened by the fact that her popularity amongst fans directly influenced the direction of the show, with the franchise's production team writing the finale script so that she could come out of the series on top, rather than defeated.
The Stoppables Keep this page already deals with multiple characters.
perfectblue ( talk) 14:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply
The character listed above vary CONSIDERABLY in importance and notability.
Specifically, that the characters Doctor Drakken, Shego and Bonnie Rockwaller are considerably more notable within the franchise than all of the other characters due to the size of the roles that they play within the franchise, their importance to the franchise's scripts, and their number of appearances.
When reaching a conclusion could those preceding in this consider ruling separately on different characters, rather than in bulk.
perfectblue ( talk) 14:54, 5 January 2008 (UTC) reply