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The result was redirect to 2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash. The overall consensus herein is to redirect to 2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash. North America 1000 16:30, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
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It's proposed he's notable for surviving a crash.. WP:NOTNEWS DGG ( talk ) 04:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep: I never said his notability depends on surviving an air crash and you are distorting this subject by a mile. He is a high-ranking officer who already established notability by receiving the Shaurya Chakra from the President of India himself (and already had a Wikidata item in 2019, three years before before I wrote the article).
- I have never, ever stated his notability (which is anyways rising as we speak) is dependent on surviving an air crash. I advise you not to distort the intentions of other editors to make them look ignorant of the rules. I have read WP:NOTABILITY over and I think this article is supported by WP:SUSTAINED (He has already gotten notability in the past). Dunutubble ( talk) 14:00, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- @ DGG - Apologies if my previous reaction seemed a bit too harsh. What I am trying to say is that I never proposed he was only notable for surviving a crash. There are more reasons why I think this article has notability. With all due respect, Dunutubble ( talk) 14:09, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
It’s a bit unusual but I’d say delete — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Frankiethesexaddict (
talk •
contribs)
05:31, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
*I have struck this now-blocked, not HERE user's contribution because it contains no sources and no intelligible reasoning.— S Marshall T/ C 14:54, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Not currently notable in his own right, as a crash survivor or otherwise. He might still die of his injuries as well. This article is simply unnecessary at present. WP Ludicer ( talk) 05:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- i would say Merge with the article of the crash
Jazzy Jazz Jr (
talk)
07:13, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- But it wouldn't fit well into that article, even if we tried. Many additions to that article end up getting cut or deleted, and anyway, this subject (Varun Singh) has become relevant enough. Dunutubble ( talk) 15:02, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash: add information to that page JW 1961 Talk 08:52, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:58, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:58, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:58, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom,
WP:ONEEVENT. Singh's
Shaurya Chakra award is the 7th in the order of precedence of Indian awards (if our infoboxes on them are correct) which is rather insufficient.
Brandmeister
talk
10:34, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: WP:ONEEVENT does not apply in this case as he is know for, well, more than one event. I've added new content to the page, so it is no longer a stub, and so the notability can be expressed more clearly. Dunutubble ( talk) 17:54, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash ChunnuBhai ( talk) 12:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash the same should probably be done with Madhulika Rawat. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 13:49, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect per the above, I've also boldly done the same for Madhulika Rawat. Tayi Arajakate Talk 14:30, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Even if someone dies, that doesn't make them non-notable. Almost every news article about the crash has now become an article about Singh. Dunutubble ( talk) 15:04, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete WP:BL1E Only noteworthy for surviving an accident so not enough for a stand-alone article.
MilborneOne (
talk)
18:25, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Merge This article should be merged to the parent article. Utkarsh555 ( talk) 03:19, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
- You can tell that to the people behind Bahia Bakari and Stuart Diver. Dunutubble ( talk) 18:41, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Merge to 2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash pure WP:1E, he fails WP:BASIC. Mztourist ( talk) 04:41, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash is better option. Hasan ( talk) 12:43, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Please note that the good folks at the redirect target article would not allow to name this person in the article. Talk:2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash#Naming the sole survivor Varun Singh. So this is a strange conundrum. Venkat TL ( talk) 15:15, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to
2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash as the subject is not notable per WP:BL1E. Whether the name should be mentioned is subject to editorial discretion but a redirect would be helpful for readers who are looking to find information on this subject. --
Ab207 (
talk)
08:44, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- @
Ab207 If the redirect target does not name the subject, then the redirect may get be deleted.
Venkat TL (
talk)
09:04, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
-
Venkat TL, not necessarily. We have
{{ R to article without mention}}for that. I can recall Priyanka Reddy Rape Case where this has been followed. -- Ab207 ( talk) 12:01, 13 December 2021 (UTC)- I have seen participants on Redirect for deletion discussion, using the lack of mention in target article as a reason to successfully delete those redirects. Name should be allowed. This is not a crime incident. Wonder why folks are removing the name. Venkat TL ( talk) 12:09, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
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Venkat TL, not necessarily. We have
- @
Ab207 If the redirect target does not name the subject, then the redirect may get be deleted.
Venkat TL (
talk)
09:04, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to the 2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash article per the many rationales above. Ref (chew) (do) 13:21, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to the 2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash article, he was only notable as the sole survivor as an aviation incident. Zerbey ( talk) 14:31, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Question how can he be a "sole survivor" (per the article's lead), if it ultimately killed him?! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:23, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep: Attained fame through the Shaurya Chakra. Became known again after briefly surviving the air crash. The first one itself is worthy of inclusion. Jstore Master ( talk) 19:01, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to the 2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash he was only receiving coverage for surviving the incident, but as it turns out he didn't even really survive if he succumbed to his injuries in a couple weeks. Inter&anthro ( talk) 00:57, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to 2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash. The overall consensus herein is to redirect to 2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash. North America 1000 16:30, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
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- Varun Singh (Indian Air Force Officer) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
It's proposed he's notable for surviving a crash.. WP:NOTNEWS DGG ( talk ) 04:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep: I never said his notability depends on surviving an air crash and you are distorting this subject by a mile. He is a high-ranking officer who already established notability by receiving the Shaurya Chakra from the President of India himself (and already had a Wikidata item in 2019, three years before before I wrote the article).
- I have never, ever stated his notability (which is anyways rising as we speak) is dependent on surviving an air crash. I advise you not to distort the intentions of other editors to make them look ignorant of the rules. I have read WP:NOTABILITY over and I think this article is supported by WP:SUSTAINED (He has already gotten notability in the past). Dunutubble ( talk) 14:00, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- @ DGG - Apologies if my previous reaction seemed a bit too harsh. What I am trying to say is that I never proposed he was only notable for surviving a crash. There are more reasons why I think this article has notability. With all due respect, Dunutubble ( talk) 14:09, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
It’s a bit unusual but I’d say delete — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Frankiethesexaddict (
talk •
contribs)
05:31, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
*I have struck this now-blocked, not HERE user's contribution because it contains no sources and no intelligible reasoning.— S Marshall T/ C 14:54, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Not currently notable in his own right, as a crash survivor or otherwise. He might still die of his injuries as well. This article is simply unnecessary at present. WP Ludicer ( talk) 05:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- i would say Merge with the article of the crash
Jazzy Jazz Jr (
talk)
07:13, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- But it wouldn't fit well into that article, even if we tried. Many additions to that article end up getting cut or deleted, and anyway, this subject (Varun Singh) has become relevant enough. Dunutubble ( talk) 15:02, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash: add information to that page JW 1961 Talk 08:52, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:58, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:58, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:58, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom,
WP:ONEEVENT. Singh's
Shaurya Chakra award is the 7th in the order of precedence of Indian awards (if our infoboxes on them are correct) which is rather insufficient.
Brandmeister
talk
10:34, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: WP:ONEEVENT does not apply in this case as he is know for, well, more than one event. I've added new content to the page, so it is no longer a stub, and so the notability can be expressed more clearly. Dunutubble ( talk) 17:54, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash ChunnuBhai ( talk) 12:59, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash the same should probably be done with Madhulika Rawat. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 13:49, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect per the above, I've also boldly done the same for Madhulika Rawat. Tayi Arajakate Talk 14:30, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Even if someone dies, that doesn't make them non-notable. Almost every news article about the crash has now become an article about Singh. Dunutubble ( talk) 15:04, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete WP:BL1E Only noteworthy for surviving an accident so not enough for a stand-alone article.
MilborneOne (
talk)
18:25, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Merge This article should be merged to the parent article. Utkarsh555 ( talk) 03:19, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
- You can tell that to the people behind Bahia Bakari and Stuart Diver. Dunutubble ( talk) 18:41, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Merge to 2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash pure WP:1E, he fails WP:BASIC. Mztourist ( talk) 04:41, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash is better option. Hasan ( talk) 12:43, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Please note that the good folks at the redirect target article would not allow to name this person in the article. Talk:2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash#Naming the sole survivor Varun Singh. So this is a strange conundrum. Venkat TL ( talk) 15:15, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to
2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash as the subject is not notable per WP:BL1E. Whether the name should be mentioned is subject to editorial discretion but a redirect would be helpful for readers who are looking to find information on this subject. --
Ab207 (
talk)
08:44, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- @
Ab207 If the redirect target does not name the subject, then the redirect may get be deleted.
Venkat TL (
talk)
09:04, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
-
Venkat TL, not necessarily. We have
{{ R to article without mention}}for that. I can recall Priyanka Reddy Rape Case where this has been followed. -- Ab207 ( talk) 12:01, 13 December 2021 (UTC)- I have seen participants on Redirect for deletion discussion, using the lack of mention in target article as a reason to successfully delete those redirects. Name should be allowed. This is not a crime incident. Wonder why folks are removing the name. Venkat TL ( talk) 12:09, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
-
Venkat TL, not necessarily. We have
- @
Ab207 If the redirect target does not name the subject, then the redirect may get be deleted.
Venkat TL (
talk)
09:04, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to the 2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash article per the many rationales above. Ref (chew) (do) 13:21, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to the 2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash article, he was only notable as the sole survivor as an aviation incident. Zerbey ( talk) 14:31, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Question how can he be a "sole survivor" (per the article's lead), if it ultimately killed him?! Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 16:23, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep: Attained fame through the Shaurya Chakra. Became known again after briefly surviving the air crash. The first one itself is worthy of inclusion. Jstore Master ( talk) 19:01, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
- Redirect to the 2021 Indian Air Force Mil Mi-17 crash he was only receiving coverage for surviving the incident, but as it turns out he didn't even really survive if he succumbed to his injuries in a couple weeks. Inter&anthro ( talk) 00:57, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.