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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. Fails WP:BIO. 2 of the 3 sources are primary. LibStar ( talk) 08:50, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Women, Bilateral relations, Sri Lanka, Czech Republic, New Zealand, and Canada. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Meets
WP:NPOL, having served as director general of the Canadian Foreign Service Institute, as well as having an important diplomatic career. --
NoonIcarus (
talk)
12:16, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- Being head of a government agency does not satisfy
WP:NPOL. An "important diplomatic career" does not automatically mean a notable career.
LibStar (
talk)
12:29, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
The following are presumed to be notable: Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office, or have been members of legislative bodies at those levels. This also applies to people who have been elected to such offices but have not yet assumed them.
-- NoonIcarus ( talk) 12:53, 26 March 2023 (UTC)- This applies to elected politicians and judges not public servants who head government agencies.
LibStar (
talk)
13:13, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- Nothing in the policy establishes that this is limited to elected public officials. This is specially the case with judges, who in many cases are not elected to their positions. The same applies to politicians such as ministers, cabinet positions appointed by the executive branch and not elected by the public. --
NoonIcarus (
talk)
14:10, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- it applies to politicians and judges, not ambassadors or heads of government agencies.
LibStar (
talk)
22:26, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- And Canadian judges aren't elected, they're appointed. Oaktree b ( talk) 22:42, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
- it applies to politicians and judges, not ambassadors or heads of government agencies.
LibStar (
talk)
22:26, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- Nothing in the policy establishes that this is limited to elected public officials. This is specially the case with judges, who in many cases are not elected to their positions. The same applies to politicians such as ministers, cabinet positions appointed by the executive branch and not elected by the public. --
NoonIcarus (
talk)
14:10, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- This applies to elected politicians and judges not public servants who head government agencies.
LibStar (
talk)
13:13, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- Being head of a government agency does not satisfy
WP:NPOL. An "important diplomatic career" does not automatically mean a notable career.
LibStar (
talk)
12:29, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Salvio giuliano 11:52, 27 March 2023 (UTC)- Delete Name is too common to find anything about this person; there's a doctor in Nunavik, a student and many others with this same name. No coverage found for this person. Oaktree b ( talk) 22:44, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Shawn Teller (hy/hym) ( talk) 15:55, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete not much coverage. Aintabli ( talk) 17:24, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: BLP, Fails GNG and BIO. Sole Keep vote provided no sources or guidelines to look at, just opinions. BEFORE showed nothing that meets SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. Source evaL:
- Not NPOV IS RS: ""A L E R T – Canadian Ambassador Supports Homosexual Politics in the Czech Republic". Real Women of Canada. Retrieved 4 April 2020."
- Government annoucement, not IS SIGCOV: "Diplomatic Appointments". Government of Canada. Retrieved 4 April 2020."
- Name in list in event promo: "U of G to Honour 'Global Citizens' During Thematic Convocation". Campus News. June 4, 2007. Retrieved 4 April 2020.
- WP:BLP states "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources"'; BLPs need IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability to avoid abuse per well known core policy ( WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines ( WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV). // Timothy :: talk 00:29, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was delete. ✗ plicit 00:32, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
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- Valerie Raymond ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Ambassadors are not inherently notable. Fails WP:BIO. 2 of the 3 sources are primary. LibStar ( talk) 08:50, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Women, Bilateral relations, Sri Lanka, Czech Republic, New Zealand, and Canada. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 09:58, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Meets
WP:NPOL, having served as director general of the Canadian Foreign Service Institute, as well as having an important diplomatic career. --
NoonIcarus (
talk)
12:16, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- Being head of a government agency does not satisfy
WP:NPOL. An "important diplomatic career" does not automatically mean a notable career.
LibStar (
talk)
12:29, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
The following are presumed to be notable: Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office, or have been members of legislative bodies at those levels. This also applies to people who have been elected to such offices but have not yet assumed them.
-- NoonIcarus ( talk) 12:53, 26 March 2023 (UTC)- This applies to elected politicians and judges not public servants who head government agencies.
LibStar (
talk)
13:13, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- Nothing in the policy establishes that this is limited to elected public officials. This is specially the case with judges, who in many cases are not elected to their positions. The same applies to politicians such as ministers, cabinet positions appointed by the executive branch and not elected by the public. --
NoonIcarus (
talk)
14:10, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- it applies to politicians and judges, not ambassadors or heads of government agencies.
LibStar (
talk)
22:26, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- And Canadian judges aren't elected, they're appointed. Oaktree b ( talk) 22:42, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
- it applies to politicians and judges, not ambassadors or heads of government agencies.
LibStar (
talk)
22:26, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- Nothing in the policy establishes that this is limited to elected public officials. This is specially the case with judges, who in many cases are not elected to their positions. The same applies to politicians such as ministers, cabinet positions appointed by the executive branch and not elected by the public. --
NoonIcarus (
talk)
14:10, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- This applies to elected politicians and judges not public servants who head government agencies.
LibStar (
talk)
13:13, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
- Being head of a government agency does not satisfy
WP:NPOL. An "important diplomatic career" does not automatically mean a notable career.
LibStar (
talk)
12:29, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Salvio giuliano 11:52, 27 March 2023 (UTC)- Delete Name is too common to find anything about this person; there's a doctor in Nunavik, a student and many others with this same name. No coverage found for this person. Oaktree b ( talk) 22:44, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Shawn Teller (hy/hym) ( talk) 15:55, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete not much coverage. Aintabli ( talk) 17:24, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: BLP, Fails GNG and BIO. Sole Keep vote provided no sources or guidelines to look at, just opinions. BEFORE showed nothing that meets SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. Source evaL:
- Not NPOV IS RS: ""A L E R T – Canadian Ambassador Supports Homosexual Politics in the Czech Republic". Real Women of Canada. Retrieved 4 April 2020."
- Government annoucement, not IS SIGCOV: "Diplomatic Appointments". Government of Canada. Retrieved 4 April 2020."
- Name in list in event promo: "U of G to Honour 'Global Citizens' During Thematic Convocation". Campus News. June 4, 2007. Retrieved 4 April 2020.
- WP:BLP states "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources"'; BLPs need IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability to avoid abuse per well known core policy ( WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines ( WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV). // Timothy :: talk 00:29, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.