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The result was no consensus. Daniel ( talk) 21:41, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
VPK Group
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Fails WP:NCORP. No credible claim to notability, statements about the company and their sources amount to only trivial coverage. SailingInABathTub ~~🛁~~ 21:34, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and Belgium. Deltaspace42 ( talk • contribs) 21:35, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - I'm sure there must be some confusion; otherwise, there would have been no need for such a nomination. The fact that this company was WP:LISTED on Euronext Belgium should have prompted the thought that there must be some coverage somewhere, considering this company was founded in 1936 and a large part of that period is pre-internet era, so not easily accessible. Most of the coverage in the so-called digital era is also behind a paywall, so I understand it would be difficult for someone to distinguish, especially if they are unfamiliar with Belgian references. In short, there is a lot of non-routine in-depth coverage that discusses the topic directly such as [1], [2], [3], [4] in Trends, which, according to our article, is the only business magazine in Belgium, [5], [6] in De Tijd, [7] in De Morgen, and in French newspaper Les Echos [8]. Thus, it meets the criteria for significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. I'm listing further sources below with which one can expand the article:
- "VPK Packaging laat België niet vallen". Trends. 9 September 2010.
- De Schamphelaere, Jan (21 February 2019). "Dit is de grootste overname in de geschiedenis van VPK". De Tijd.
- "VPK steekt 200 miljoen in nieuwe papierfabriek". De Tijd. 16 June 2018.
- "Papier Hoge prijs doet VPK Package pijn". De Morgan. 15 May 2010.
- "Personeel VPK Packaging opnieuw aan het werk". De Morgan. 17 December 2007.
- "VPK Packaging décide d'investir en Wallonie". 7sur7.
- Broens, Bert; Souris, Simon (4 June 2022). "Pierre Macharis (VPK): 'Onbegrijpelijk dat nachtwerk in e-commerce niet kan'". De Tijd.
- "Kartonfabriek VPK betaalt in België drie keer zoveel voor elektriciteit als in Frankrijk". De Standaard. 28 March 2023.
- De Cat, Kurt (26 February 2019). "Pierre Macharis bouwt papier- en kartongroep VPK uit tot wereldwijde speler". Trends.
- Vanacker, Lukas (23 February 2019). "M/V van de week". De Tijd.
- Michielsen, Tom; De Schampheleare, Jan (19 May 2017). "VPK investeert 200 miljoen euro in kartonfabrieken". De Tijd.
- "VPK Packaging naar de beurs". De Morgen. 29 January 1999.
- De Schampheleare, Jan (12 June 2023). "Pierre Macharis, CEO VPK Packaging: 'We houden van België, maar de energiekosten zijn een grote zorg'". De Tijd.
- "VPK Packaging neemt Frans golfkartonbedrijf over". De Morgen. 2 February 2009.
- "VPK construit une nouvelle usine en Allemagne". L'Echo. 14 September 2011.
- Racquet, Erika; De Schampheleare, Jan (3 July 2012). "VPK doet bod op Duitse papierfabriek". De Tijd.
- Al Bouchouari, Younes (24 April 2015). "VPK Packaging s'attaque à la Wallonie". L'Echo.
- De Schampheleare, Jan (23 April 2015). "VPK bouwt fabriek in België". De Tijd.
- De Schampheleare, Jan (3 October 2016). "VPK floreert en doet grote overname na beursexit". De Tijd.
- Liesse, Dominique (21 February 2019). "VPK s'ouvre les portes de la Chine". L'Echo.
- Vanacker, Lukas (21 February 2019). "Nieuwe overname stuurt VPK naar China". De Tijd.
- De Witte, Ilse (21 February 2019). "VPK neemt 15 fabrieken over en wordt actief in China". Trends.
- "Normandie : Le papetier belge VPK choisit " Double A " à Alizay plutôt que Chapelle Darblay". 4 June 2021.
- Broens, Bert (21 February 2023). "Verpakkingsreus VPK wipt over 2 miljard euro omzet". De Tijd.
Thank you. Heuften ( talk) 21:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To consider sources presented.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 03:35, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment on the sources provided. Refbombing paywalled sources is not helpful. None of the sources provided indicate why the company is notable. All I see is a large number of trivial sources talking about things that all companies do, such as growing in size, acquiring other companies, building factories, moving into new markets, interviews with the CEO etc, all in the local business press. As evidenced by the article itself there is nothing beyond the trivial to see here. There does not appear to be an article on this company in either the French or the German Wikipedias. SailingInABathTub ~~🛁~~ 19:20, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep as it meets
WP:SIGCOV. I checked a few sources through my university library; they are in-depth and meet WP:NCORP. We cannot dismiss a source just because it is behind a paywall and in foreign language. See
WP:PAYWALL, which says
Do not reject reliable sources just because they are difficult or costly to access. Some reliable sources are not easily accessible. For example, an online source may require payment, and a print-only source may be available only through libraries.
"Article on French or the German Wikipedia" is not a criterion either. 72.172.120.125 ( talk) 20:42, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- Which of the sources that you reviewed meet WP:NCORP? SailingInABathTub ~~🛁~~ 17:58, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 12:02, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. There is extensive coverage in the 2000 issue of Flanders magazine ( [9]), followed by further coverage in books titled Solutions!: For People, Processes and Paper ( [10]), Environmentally Friendly Production of Pulp and Paper ( [11]), Pulp & Paper Europe ( [12]), Wastewater Reuse and Current Challenges ( [13]), Water Recycling and Resource Recovery in Industry ( [14]), and so on. Geeraarts ( talk) 00:48, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relising. I'd like to hear the opinions of some more experienced editors so I'm relisting the discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:08, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – A press release + routine coverage machine. Also, to
Comment:, the three Keep votes are new/unregistered users, and the large majority
of
their
contributions are to this. Smells like
WP:COI.
TLA
(talk)
07:17, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- WP:VAGUEWAVE noted by User:Primefac: voting in 161(!!) AFDs in 24 hours. Geeraarts ( talk) 00:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was no consensus. Daniel ( talk) 21:41, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
VPK Group
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Fails WP:NCORP. No credible claim to notability, statements about the company and their sources amount to only trivial coverage. SailingInABathTub ~~🛁~~ 21:34, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and Belgium. Deltaspace42 ( talk • contribs) 21:35, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - I'm sure there must be some confusion; otherwise, there would have been no need for such a nomination. The fact that this company was WP:LISTED on Euronext Belgium should have prompted the thought that there must be some coverage somewhere, considering this company was founded in 1936 and a large part of that period is pre-internet era, so not easily accessible. Most of the coverage in the so-called digital era is also behind a paywall, so I understand it would be difficult for someone to distinguish, especially if they are unfamiliar with Belgian references. In short, there is a lot of non-routine in-depth coverage that discusses the topic directly such as [1], [2], [3], [4] in Trends, which, according to our article, is the only business magazine in Belgium, [5], [6] in De Tijd, [7] in De Morgen, and in French newspaper Les Echos [8]. Thus, it meets the criteria for significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. I'm listing further sources below with which one can expand the article:
- "VPK Packaging laat België niet vallen". Trends. 9 September 2010.
- De Schamphelaere, Jan (21 February 2019). "Dit is de grootste overname in de geschiedenis van VPK". De Tijd.
- "VPK steekt 200 miljoen in nieuwe papierfabriek". De Tijd. 16 June 2018.
- "Papier Hoge prijs doet VPK Package pijn". De Morgan. 15 May 2010.
- "Personeel VPK Packaging opnieuw aan het werk". De Morgan. 17 December 2007.
- "VPK Packaging décide d'investir en Wallonie". 7sur7.
- Broens, Bert; Souris, Simon (4 June 2022). "Pierre Macharis (VPK): 'Onbegrijpelijk dat nachtwerk in e-commerce niet kan'". De Tijd.
- "Kartonfabriek VPK betaalt in België drie keer zoveel voor elektriciteit als in Frankrijk". De Standaard. 28 March 2023.
- De Cat, Kurt (26 February 2019). "Pierre Macharis bouwt papier- en kartongroep VPK uit tot wereldwijde speler". Trends.
- Vanacker, Lukas (23 February 2019). "M/V van de week". De Tijd.
- Michielsen, Tom; De Schampheleare, Jan (19 May 2017). "VPK investeert 200 miljoen euro in kartonfabrieken". De Tijd.
- "VPK Packaging naar de beurs". De Morgen. 29 January 1999.
- De Schampheleare, Jan (12 June 2023). "Pierre Macharis, CEO VPK Packaging: 'We houden van België, maar de energiekosten zijn een grote zorg'". De Tijd.
- "VPK Packaging neemt Frans golfkartonbedrijf over". De Morgen. 2 February 2009.
- "VPK construit une nouvelle usine en Allemagne". L'Echo. 14 September 2011.
- Racquet, Erika; De Schampheleare, Jan (3 July 2012). "VPK doet bod op Duitse papierfabriek". De Tijd.
- Al Bouchouari, Younes (24 April 2015). "VPK Packaging s'attaque à la Wallonie". L'Echo.
- De Schampheleare, Jan (23 April 2015). "VPK bouwt fabriek in België". De Tijd.
- De Schampheleare, Jan (3 October 2016). "VPK floreert en doet grote overname na beursexit". De Tijd.
- Liesse, Dominique (21 February 2019). "VPK s'ouvre les portes de la Chine". L'Echo.
- Vanacker, Lukas (21 February 2019). "Nieuwe overname stuurt VPK naar China". De Tijd.
- De Witte, Ilse (21 February 2019). "VPK neemt 15 fabrieken over en wordt actief in China". Trends.
- "Normandie : Le papetier belge VPK choisit " Double A " à Alizay plutôt que Chapelle Darblay". 4 June 2021.
- Broens, Bert (21 February 2023). "Verpakkingsreus VPK wipt over 2 miljard euro omzet". De Tijd.
Thank you. Heuften ( talk) 21:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To consider sources presented.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 03:35, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- Comment on the sources provided. Refbombing paywalled sources is not helpful. None of the sources provided indicate why the company is notable. All I see is a large number of trivial sources talking about things that all companies do, such as growing in size, acquiring other companies, building factories, moving into new markets, interviews with the CEO etc, all in the local business press. As evidenced by the article itself there is nothing beyond the trivial to see here. There does not appear to be an article on this company in either the French or the German Wikipedias. SailingInABathTub ~~🛁~~ 19:20, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- Keep as it meets
WP:SIGCOV. I checked a few sources through my university library; they are in-depth and meet WP:NCORP. We cannot dismiss a source just because it is behind a paywall and in foreign language. See
WP:PAYWALL, which says
Do not reject reliable sources just because they are difficult or costly to access. Some reliable sources are not easily accessible. For example, an online source may require payment, and a print-only source may be available only through libraries.
"Article on French or the German Wikipedia" is not a criterion either. 72.172.120.125 ( talk) 20:42, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
- Which of the sources that you reviewed meet WP:NCORP? SailingInABathTub ~~🛁~~ 17:58, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 12:02, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. There is extensive coverage in the 2000 issue of Flanders magazine ( [9]), followed by further coverage in books titled Solutions!: For People, Processes and Paper ( [10]), Environmentally Friendly Production of Pulp and Paper ( [11]), Pulp & Paper Europe ( [12]), Wastewater Reuse and Current Challenges ( [13]), Water Recycling and Resource Recovery in Industry ( [14]), and so on. Geeraarts ( talk) 00:48, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relising. I'd like to hear the opinions of some more experienced editors so I'm relisting the discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 00:08, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete – A press release + routine coverage machine. Also, to
Comment:, the three Keep votes are new/unregistered users, and the large majority
of
their
contributions are to this. Smells like
WP:COI.
TLA
(talk)
07:17, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- WP:VAGUEWAVE noted by User:Primefac: voting in 161(!!) AFDs in 24 hours. Geeraarts ( talk) 00:12, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.