The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. After extended times for discussion, there is a clear absence of consensus (and no particular interest in deletion beyond that of the nominator).
BD2412T03:52, 15 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment: The creator of this article is
User:Randfiskin is also involved in launching (trying to work up on) non-notable wiki pages in a very short period,
Cyber Peace Foundation (CPF),
Vogue Institute of Art & Design and
Draft:Vibhav Kant Upadhyay which have been earlier either deleted or moved to draft space for various reasons. Though the ID itself was made in 2017, it went active on July 1, 2020, by performing its first edit at
Juli Berwald's page. As per my basic understanding, this ID is probably involved in "Paid Edits/
WP:PAID" without disclosure. Kindly note, due diligence is required. (Similar comment has been added to the other AfDs) -
Hatchens (
talk)
03:02, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment: All the claims are baseless and there is no evidence of paid. Note this account is created in March 2020 and the user is only interested to deleting the articles no matter whether it is notable or not you may check the
history.
Comment: @
Randfiskin, your allegation is duly accepted. If an article passes the AfD on its merit, then well and good. If not, then it gets deleted as per the consensus. That's why I have initiated this AfD discussion. Let everyone chip in and let the sanity prevail. (Same comment has been added to other two AfD nominations -
Cyber Peace Foundation and
Vogue Institute of Art & Design). -
Hatchens (
talk)
06:04, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Again baseless comment which has no meaning. While creator has rights to vote or comment on his own article. This is the same comment posted on all other discussion.
Randfiskin (
talk)
06:09, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment: Dear
Randfiskin, this comment is for those who will chip in their views. It is not meant to stop you but to notify others. Don't be aggressive. Kindly, stay calm and participate in this AfD discussion freely. -
Hatchens (
talk)
06:19, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment Well I am unable to sort out the notability question at this point, it's pretty there's something off about both of you and you obviously have a problem with each other that needs to to be worked out. I could really go either way with a lot of these myself, but I don't want to feed into either one of you by voting and I don't think anyone else should either. Maybe these nominations should be put on hold for and you should take it to ANI, because I don't think this is the place to litigate your personal issues. --
Adamant1 (
talk)
07:18, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Thanks
Rhododendrites... for asking this question. As you have correctly mentioned, the entity has been duly covered in the following media portals - BBC, FT, and Wired. All three sources are good to go as per
WP:ELPEREN. But, now comes another angle... all these news coverages followed a particular timeline pattern and that is - April 1 to 10, 2015. Before and after (this time range), there is no single credible coverage concerning this entity, which proves that these particular 3 media sources are part of their coordinated PR Campaign.
You can consider my views as mere speculation, but why I'm confident? - just check the FT link, - "Produced by Aimee Keane. Filmed by Petros Gioumpasis". Kindly note, both of them are not the mainstream FT journalists they are audio-visual producers working specifically for FT's brand solution unit (for confirmation, you can check their profiles at Linkedin). -
Hatchens (
talk)
03:48, 8 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep, I dislike the article and believe it needs to be cleaned up substantially. I see
WP:CITEKILL and
WP:BOMBARD, and see it as borderline
WP:ADMASQ, but I have checked the first eight references. I find sufficient in them that notability is verified despite my distaste. AfD is not a matter of taste, I fear, nor is it a cleanup venue.
FiddleFaddle11:08, 14 August 2020 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. After extended times for discussion, there is a clear absence of consensus (and no particular interest in deletion beyond that of the nominator).
BD2412T03:52, 15 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment: The creator of this article is
User:Randfiskin is also involved in launching (trying to work up on) non-notable wiki pages in a very short period,
Cyber Peace Foundation (CPF),
Vogue Institute of Art & Design and
Draft:Vibhav Kant Upadhyay which have been earlier either deleted or moved to draft space for various reasons. Though the ID itself was made in 2017, it went active on July 1, 2020, by performing its first edit at
Juli Berwald's page. As per my basic understanding, this ID is probably involved in "Paid Edits/
WP:PAID" without disclosure. Kindly note, due diligence is required. (Similar comment has been added to the other AfDs) -
Hatchens (
talk)
03:02, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment: All the claims are baseless and there is no evidence of paid. Note this account is created in March 2020 and the user is only interested to deleting the articles no matter whether it is notable or not you may check the
history.
Comment: @
Randfiskin, your allegation is duly accepted. If an article passes the AfD on its merit, then well and good. If not, then it gets deleted as per the consensus. That's why I have initiated this AfD discussion. Let everyone chip in and let the sanity prevail. (Same comment has been added to other two AfD nominations -
Cyber Peace Foundation and
Vogue Institute of Art & Design). -
Hatchens (
talk)
06:04, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Again baseless comment which has no meaning. While creator has rights to vote or comment on his own article. This is the same comment posted on all other discussion.
Randfiskin (
talk)
06:09, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment: Dear
Randfiskin, this comment is for those who will chip in their views. It is not meant to stop you but to notify others. Don't be aggressive. Kindly, stay calm and participate in this AfD discussion freely. -
Hatchens (
talk)
06:19, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment Well I am unable to sort out the notability question at this point, it's pretty there's something off about both of you and you obviously have a problem with each other that needs to to be worked out. I could really go either way with a lot of these myself, but I don't want to feed into either one of you by voting and I don't think anyone else should either. Maybe these nominations should be put on hold for and you should take it to ANI, because I don't think this is the place to litigate your personal issues. --
Adamant1 (
talk)
07:18, 29 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Thanks
Rhododendrites... for asking this question. As you have correctly mentioned, the entity has been duly covered in the following media portals - BBC, FT, and Wired. All three sources are good to go as per
WP:ELPEREN. But, now comes another angle... all these news coverages followed a particular timeline pattern and that is - April 1 to 10, 2015. Before and after (this time range), there is no single credible coverage concerning this entity, which proves that these particular 3 media sources are part of their coordinated PR Campaign.
You can consider my views as mere speculation, but why I'm confident? - just check the FT link, - "Produced by Aimee Keane. Filmed by Petros Gioumpasis". Kindly note, both of them are not the mainstream FT journalists they are audio-visual producers working specifically for FT's brand solution unit (for confirmation, you can check their profiles at Linkedin). -
Hatchens (
talk)
03:48, 8 August 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep, I dislike the article and believe it needs to be cleaned up substantially. I see
WP:CITEKILL and
WP:BOMBARD, and see it as borderline
WP:ADMASQ, but I have checked the first eight references. I find sufficient in them that notability is verified despite my distaste. AfD is not a matter of taste, I fear, nor is it a cleanup venue.
FiddleFaddle11:08, 14 August 2020 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.