The result was delete and redirect to Grand unification theory (and salt). Krimpet ( talk) 18:46, 10 May 2007 (UTC) reply
Pseudoscience (looks reasonable at first - but read the later parts!); no references; probably contains Original Research. Note: A page having the same title as this one was previously nominated for deletion; the result of that previous discussion was delete. greenrd 09:04, 5 May 2007 (UTC) reply
well, i was looking at you guys, you seem all physicists, i woudl suggest an improvement for wikipedia: that when something is deleted, it should be deleted and judged by people of the sciences involved. In this case by philosophers (you philosophus consider yourself in your web a defender of Einstein not a philospher), biologists and system theorists. Otherwise i feel like in the initial redirection to Grand Unification Theory a certain arrogance which tends to go with ignorance on the subject you are judging (-: 'the more ignorant the western man is about Asian cultures, the most he despises the chinese man' Andre Guide 0-: i got the letters though from the people i asked to (isss president, troncale and sancho)giving me permission to load wikipedia with articles of their webs so now i can use all their copyrighted material of all the webs mentioned (emails provided if required)... im gonna put it all there this night. Tomorrow it will die away, a perfect mandala, like those beautiful wheels of sand of the navajo reserves that soon disappear. But because for us, system scientists, time is cyclical and quantic, not lineal and continuous, Leibniz not Newton is the master... and each collective mind has its own rhythms, this i can say: GST will beat Grand Unification, life will win over abstraction. Now i will pour the sounds that the wind will erase...
LAST COMMENT/QUESTION uhm philosophus thanks for your letter. i start to agree more with you guys. truth is i havent done my homework to conform to wikipedia style and its, i guess, needed burocratic elements and i should have, plus i work on memory so i cant remember exactly the books of the quotes... i need to do reserarch... (im also overloaded with work) i thought others would do it as a work in progress, but there are few gst experts worldwide so i guess few wikipedians could collaborate on this... hopefully when we recruit in tokyo people with english as first language for this divulgation project (www.unificationtheory) i will try again. and buff if you even receive death threats, thats really intense! no wonder the cut-throat style:-o. so the question is if we repost this in the future in a much better version? is that possible? is a 3rd reposition allowed a debate or is automatically eliminated?(the first article though was different and most of it, not mine, (pj, i explained differences in talk) so might it be a 2nd reposition... My aim is present the GST formalism mixing troncale's, sancho's and isss material, within all the policies of wikipedia including formatting, but i have no time now to become a better wikipedian. Respect to novelty,those guys have 20 years since their first copyrights but our science i think unjustly is not yet standard and fully accepted so in a way is relatively new - as it could be considered genetics 40 years after mendel whenit wa discovered And since we start with paradimgs that are different to classic science (as per talk: cyclical, quantic time, duality, linguistic method, non-non-euclidean geometry, paradoxical logic, organicism, etc.) we expect as per the debates in the 49 cancun congress to remain what you might call a 'fringe science' (not seudo=science) for a decade. I doubt then that gst will look more notable. But if youlook the references at isss the main insitution of our science, those people are the most notable of our science today, troncale leads the gst conferences, sancho has given the most brilliant ones the last 3 years, the president of the institution gives the ok. Now GST (unificatin theory) is different from 'systems theory', the american version, whih is praactical, computer models of economics and cybernetics. GSt is more 'philosophical', more like the origianl intention of Bertalanffy (the quote that originated the name is in talk: 'a unification theory of all sciences'), and so typically more interesting to the idealist german school of science to which all germans belong since Hegel (including Einstein, self-confessed socialist:-):-( ;-O A comment on that would be appreciated.Since if it is impossible or against your policies we wont do that hard work. Otherwise you will get an article similar to the ones you have for relativity or any other standard scientific theory sometime in summer. And sorry for the length, this promise is my last comment, dont want you to keep further busy with this theme. I think the issue is: should gst unification in its most advanced version be here? or not?It is not though a time cube bullshit, that was funny (-: I see general system sciences like physics in the XVII c. a very promising, starting science... now in its formalist phase... which i think is different from pseudo-science (a guy who comes out with a 'world on a turtle' or a time in a cube... cyclical time is as old as human thought itself, the year cycle of the sun, the minute cycle of the clock, the month cycle of the moon. the cesium cycle we use for the second... i havent seen cubic trajectories in time of lately (-: The closest thing might be cubism with his attempt to express the 4th dimension of time, through multiple perspectives... maybe he is fan of picasso (-;
The result was delete and redirect to Grand unification theory (and salt). Krimpet ( talk) 18:46, 10 May 2007 (UTC) reply
Pseudoscience (looks reasonable at first - but read the later parts!); no references; probably contains Original Research. Note: A page having the same title as this one was previously nominated for deletion; the result of that previous discussion was delete. greenrd 09:04, 5 May 2007 (UTC) reply
well, i was looking at you guys, you seem all physicists, i woudl suggest an improvement for wikipedia: that when something is deleted, it should be deleted and judged by people of the sciences involved. In this case by philosophers (you philosophus consider yourself in your web a defender of Einstein not a philospher), biologists and system theorists. Otherwise i feel like in the initial redirection to Grand Unification Theory a certain arrogance which tends to go with ignorance on the subject you are judging (-: 'the more ignorant the western man is about Asian cultures, the most he despises the chinese man' Andre Guide 0-: i got the letters though from the people i asked to (isss president, troncale and sancho)giving me permission to load wikipedia with articles of their webs so now i can use all their copyrighted material of all the webs mentioned (emails provided if required)... im gonna put it all there this night. Tomorrow it will die away, a perfect mandala, like those beautiful wheels of sand of the navajo reserves that soon disappear. But because for us, system scientists, time is cyclical and quantic, not lineal and continuous, Leibniz not Newton is the master... and each collective mind has its own rhythms, this i can say: GST will beat Grand Unification, life will win over abstraction. Now i will pour the sounds that the wind will erase...
LAST COMMENT/QUESTION uhm philosophus thanks for your letter. i start to agree more with you guys. truth is i havent done my homework to conform to wikipedia style and its, i guess, needed burocratic elements and i should have, plus i work on memory so i cant remember exactly the books of the quotes... i need to do reserarch... (im also overloaded with work) i thought others would do it as a work in progress, but there are few gst experts worldwide so i guess few wikipedians could collaborate on this... hopefully when we recruit in tokyo people with english as first language for this divulgation project (www.unificationtheory) i will try again. and buff if you even receive death threats, thats really intense! no wonder the cut-throat style:-o. so the question is if we repost this in the future in a much better version? is that possible? is a 3rd reposition allowed a debate or is automatically eliminated?(the first article though was different and most of it, not mine, (pj, i explained differences in talk) so might it be a 2nd reposition... My aim is present the GST formalism mixing troncale's, sancho's and isss material, within all the policies of wikipedia including formatting, but i have no time now to become a better wikipedian. Respect to novelty,those guys have 20 years since their first copyrights but our science i think unjustly is not yet standard and fully accepted so in a way is relatively new - as it could be considered genetics 40 years after mendel whenit wa discovered And since we start with paradimgs that are different to classic science (as per talk: cyclical, quantic time, duality, linguistic method, non-non-euclidean geometry, paradoxical logic, organicism, etc.) we expect as per the debates in the 49 cancun congress to remain what you might call a 'fringe science' (not seudo=science) for a decade. I doubt then that gst will look more notable. But if youlook the references at isss the main insitution of our science, those people are the most notable of our science today, troncale leads the gst conferences, sancho has given the most brilliant ones the last 3 years, the president of the institution gives the ok. Now GST (unificatin theory) is different from 'systems theory', the american version, whih is praactical, computer models of economics and cybernetics. GSt is more 'philosophical', more like the origianl intention of Bertalanffy (the quote that originated the name is in talk: 'a unification theory of all sciences'), and so typically more interesting to the idealist german school of science to which all germans belong since Hegel (including Einstein, self-confessed socialist:-):-( ;-O A comment on that would be appreciated.Since if it is impossible or against your policies we wont do that hard work. Otherwise you will get an article similar to the ones you have for relativity or any other standard scientific theory sometime in summer. And sorry for the length, this promise is my last comment, dont want you to keep further busy with this theme. I think the issue is: should gst unification in its most advanced version be here? or not?It is not though a time cube bullshit, that was funny (-: I see general system sciences like physics in the XVII c. a very promising, starting science... now in its formalist phase... which i think is different from pseudo-science (a guy who comes out with a 'world on a turtle' or a time in a cube... cyclical time is as old as human thought itself, the year cycle of the sun, the minute cycle of the clock, the month cycle of the moon. the cesium cycle we use for the second... i havent seen cubic trajectories in time of lately (-: The closest thing might be cubism with his attempt to express the 4th dimension of time, through multiple perspectives... maybe he is fan of picasso (-;