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The result was delete. Modussiccandi ( talk) 14:31, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Umid Najjari
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References are to article subject's own poetic works or reviews of those works, not to the subject himself. Does not appear to meet WP:NCREATIVE, awards mentioned are not notable awards, no evidence that subject has had broad literary influence on Azerbaijani or Persian poetry, his work as publicist and translator do not appear to have relevance. A loose necktie ( talk) 11:53, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Poetry, and Iran. Shellwood ( talk) 13:57, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Poorly sourced, promotional. Fails WP:GNG let alone WP:CREATIVE. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 14:18, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Mr.
A loose necktie (
talk) Umid Najjari is a young poet. He has a special place in Azerbaijani poetry. Mr. Najari writes poems in the style of surrealism. Periodically, his writings are published in Azerbaijani and world literary almanacs. His books were published in Azerbaijan, Iran, Albania, Montenegro, Serbia, and Uzbekistan. He participates in almost all poetry festivals of young poets in Europe. In addition, his poems have been published in prestigious poetic publications in many countries. I can post their link here if you want. I should also note that Mr. Umid is actively engaged in translation. He translated and published the works of
Mahmoud Darwish,
Sadegh Hedayat and
Federico García Lorca into Azerbaijani. As for references, I can post links to his creations if needed. Please Mr.
Alexandermcnabb (
talk, Mr.
A loose necktie (
talk, Mr.
Shellwood (
talk reconsider the decision to delete the page. --
Rövşən İşık (
talk)
17:37, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Please understand that Wikipedia does not decide to retain or delete articles based on the number of successful publications of an author, nor on how much translation he/ she may have done, and we do not need to see links to the subject's creations. What we need to see is evidence that the subject HIMSELF (not his poetry, not his translations) has been the subject of in-depth discussion by multiple independent verifiable reliable published sources. Participation in poetry festivals doesn't count towards this, and the fact that he is young or that his poems are surrealistic have no bearing. If the subject some day does receive that kind of coverage, you may always attempt to recreate this page.
A loose necktie (
talk)
20:09, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- my dear friend. I read Wikipedia every day. And I also see very weak profiles. In my opinion, deleting this page is biased and unfair 5.134.54.153 ( talk) 06:30, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Please understand that Wikipedia does not decide to retain or delete articles based on the number of successful publications of an author, nor on how much translation he/ she may have done, and we do not need to see links to the subject's creations. What we need to see is evidence that the subject HIMSELF (not his poetry, not his translations) has been the subject of in-depth discussion by multiple independent verifiable reliable published sources. Participation in poetry festivals doesn't count towards this, and the fact that he is young or that his poems are surrealistic have no bearing. If the subject some day does receive that kind of coverage, you may always attempt to recreate this page.
A loose necktie (
talk)
20:09, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Mr. A loose necktie ( talk) I understand what you wrote. I also have information on important person requirements on Wikipedia. I have tried to show only the main activity of the person's creativity as a reference in the article. Here I put the link of ideas and information about Umid Najjari's creativity. I will post these links in the article as well. Although they are in different languages, they are dedicated to the creativity of the person. Please see it: PhD Bujar Tafa of opinions about Umid Najjari's poetry Fotoja e errësirës e Umid Najarit Nga Dr. Bujar Tafa, fbclid=IwAR2l0yGWabCkOgguZN4wkA0kqzB79%20w7hHsYjU%20ZTYCOHOR3hHozlbYz2eo Ümid Nəccari - yaralarından qaranlığa danışan adam - Elnarə AKİMOVA, Ayrılıqların sürreal mənzərəsi... Bir cüt mavilik - Azər TURAN, ترجمه و چاپ مجموعه اشعار "آخرین پرنده" گروس عبدالملکیان در باکو, حایات فرقیلیدیر / امید نجاری ایشیق, “QARANLIĞIN FOTOSU” BAKI AVRASİYA UNİVERSİTETİNDƏ, "Qaranlığın fotosu" haqqında... - Andreana DVORNİÇ, S-a încheiat cea de-a IX-a ediție a Festivalului Internațional de Poezie de la Craiova, Croatian poetess and scientist Katarina Sarić post about Umid Najjari Izbor iz poezije azerbejdžanskog pesnika Umida Nadžarija (Umid Najjari) -- Rövşən İşık ( talk) 09:13, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- I am not sure you are hearing me. I have used Google Translate to read these articles-- some of the links you provided are only links to his poems; others are links to discussion of these poems. In order for us to host an article on this person, we need references that discuss him, ones that tell us where he grew up, where he studied, who has influenced him, etc., not analysis of his works (though these are helpful). I understand you feel very strongly about his poetry, and firmly believe he is notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. But we can't create the substance of an article about him by reading critiques of his poems. Even the article that describes his being given an award at a university is all about the awards ceremony and recounts who was there and did what-- it doesn't tell us anything about him other than that he got an award (or at least, I didn't see anything-- correct me if you feel I am wrong). The article that mentions an international award he had won, and which states that he himself notified them that he got the award, is a perfect example of the kind of coverage that does NOT augment a notability argument because it lacks
WP:INDEPENDENCE.
A loose necktie (
talk)
15:30, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- I understand your request now. These resources are also available. Official sites of the United States
- https://spillwords.com/author/umidnajjari/
- https://www.wordsandworldsmagazine.com/current-issue-aktuelle-ausgabe/poetry-gedichte/umid-najjari/
- Belgium
- https://www.iwabogdani.org/2021/12/14/poems-by-umid-najjari/ 5.134.52.249 ( talk) 19:46, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- I am not sure you are hearing me. I have used Google Translate to read these articles-- some of the links you provided are only links to his poems; others are links to discussion of these poems. In order for us to host an article on this person, we need references that discuss him, ones that tell us where he grew up, where he studied, who has influenced him, etc., not analysis of his works (though these are helpful). I understand you feel very strongly about his poetry, and firmly believe he is notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. But we can't create the substance of an article about him by reading critiques of his poems. Even the article that describes his being given an award at a university is all about the awards ceremony and recounts who was there and did what-- it doesn't tell us anything about him other than that he got an award (or at least, I didn't see anything-- correct me if you feel I am wrong). The article that mentions an international award he had won, and which states that he himself notified them that he got the award, is a perfect example of the kind of coverage that does NOT augment a notability argument because it lacks
WP:INDEPENDENCE.
A loose necktie (
talk)
15:30, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Mr. A loose necktie ( talk) I understand your position very well. Yes, you are right that I have great love for human creativity. The arguments you mentioned are not unreasonable, but they are not a reason to delete a person's page. In the links here, the person's creativity has been evaluated. If he was an insignificant poet, he would not have been invited to international poetry festivals. I am familiar with the WP:INDEPENDENCE. And I know the requirements for individuals there. There it is written that in addition to the degree of importance of the person, the work done by him is also important. In the links above, Umid Najjari's work is widely described.I will put the important parts mentioned in WP:INDEPENDENCE here.-- Rövşən İşık ( talk) 09:35, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:02, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:51, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete does not meet the GNG. -- Guerillero Parlez Moi 12:16, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Modussiccandi ( talk) 14:31, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
Umid Najjari
AfDs for this article:
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Umid Najjari ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
References are to article subject's own poetic works or reviews of those works, not to the subject himself. Does not appear to meet WP:NCREATIVE, awards mentioned are not notable awards, no evidence that subject has had broad literary influence on Azerbaijani or Persian poetry, his work as publicist and translator do not appear to have relevance. A loose necktie ( talk) 11:53, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Poetry, and Iran. Shellwood ( talk) 13:57, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Poorly sourced, promotional. Fails WP:GNG let alone WP:CREATIVE. Best Alexandermcnabb ( talk) 14:18, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Mr.
A loose necktie (
talk) Umid Najjari is a young poet. He has a special place in Azerbaijani poetry. Mr. Najari writes poems in the style of surrealism. Periodically, his writings are published in Azerbaijani and world literary almanacs. His books were published in Azerbaijan, Iran, Albania, Montenegro, Serbia, and Uzbekistan. He participates in almost all poetry festivals of young poets in Europe. In addition, his poems have been published in prestigious poetic publications in many countries. I can post their link here if you want. I should also note that Mr. Umid is actively engaged in translation. He translated and published the works of
Mahmoud Darwish,
Sadegh Hedayat and
Federico García Lorca into Azerbaijani. As for references, I can post links to his creations if needed. Please Mr.
Alexandermcnabb (
talk, Mr.
A loose necktie (
talk, Mr.
Shellwood (
talk reconsider the decision to delete the page. --
Rövşən İşık (
talk)
17:37, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Please understand that Wikipedia does not decide to retain or delete articles based on the number of successful publications of an author, nor on how much translation he/ she may have done, and we do not need to see links to the subject's creations. What we need to see is evidence that the subject HIMSELF (not his poetry, not his translations) has been the subject of in-depth discussion by multiple independent verifiable reliable published sources. Participation in poetry festivals doesn't count towards this, and the fact that he is young or that his poems are surrealistic have no bearing. If the subject some day does receive that kind of coverage, you may always attempt to recreate this page.
A loose necktie (
talk)
20:09, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- my dear friend. I read Wikipedia every day. And I also see very weak profiles. In my opinion, deleting this page is biased and unfair 5.134.54.153 ( talk) 06:30, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Please understand that Wikipedia does not decide to retain or delete articles based on the number of successful publications of an author, nor on how much translation he/ she may have done, and we do not need to see links to the subject's creations. What we need to see is evidence that the subject HIMSELF (not his poetry, not his translations) has been the subject of in-depth discussion by multiple independent verifiable reliable published sources. Participation in poetry festivals doesn't count towards this, and the fact that he is young or that his poems are surrealistic have no bearing. If the subject some day does receive that kind of coverage, you may always attempt to recreate this page.
A loose necktie (
talk)
20:09, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
- Mr. A loose necktie ( talk) I understand what you wrote. I also have information on important person requirements on Wikipedia. I have tried to show only the main activity of the person's creativity as a reference in the article. Here I put the link of ideas and information about Umid Najjari's creativity. I will post these links in the article as well. Although they are in different languages, they are dedicated to the creativity of the person. Please see it: PhD Bujar Tafa of opinions about Umid Najjari's poetry Fotoja e errësirës e Umid Najarit Nga Dr. Bujar Tafa, fbclid=IwAR2l0yGWabCkOgguZN4wkA0kqzB79%20w7hHsYjU%20ZTYCOHOR3hHozlbYz2eo Ümid Nəccari - yaralarından qaranlığa danışan adam - Elnarə AKİMOVA, Ayrılıqların sürreal mənzərəsi... Bir cüt mavilik - Azər TURAN, ترجمه و چاپ مجموعه اشعار "آخرین پرنده" گروس عبدالملکیان در باکو, حایات فرقیلیدیر / امید نجاری ایشیق, “QARANLIĞIN FOTOSU” BAKI AVRASİYA UNİVERSİTETİNDƏ, "Qaranlığın fotosu" haqqında... - Andreana DVORNİÇ, S-a încheiat cea de-a IX-a ediție a Festivalului Internațional de Poezie de la Craiova, Croatian poetess and scientist Katarina Sarić post about Umid Najjari Izbor iz poezije azerbejdžanskog pesnika Umida Nadžarija (Umid Najjari) -- Rövşən İşık ( talk) 09:13, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- I am not sure you are hearing me. I have used Google Translate to read these articles-- some of the links you provided are only links to his poems; others are links to discussion of these poems. In order for us to host an article on this person, we need references that discuss him, ones that tell us where he grew up, where he studied, who has influenced him, etc., not analysis of his works (though these are helpful). I understand you feel very strongly about his poetry, and firmly believe he is notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. But we can't create the substance of an article about him by reading critiques of his poems. Even the article that describes his being given an award at a university is all about the awards ceremony and recounts who was there and did what-- it doesn't tell us anything about him other than that he got an award (or at least, I didn't see anything-- correct me if you feel I am wrong). The article that mentions an international award he had won, and which states that he himself notified them that he got the award, is a perfect example of the kind of coverage that does NOT augment a notability argument because it lacks
WP:INDEPENDENCE.
A loose necktie (
talk)
15:30, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- I understand your request now. These resources are also available. Official sites of the United States
- https://spillwords.com/author/umidnajjari/
- https://www.wordsandworldsmagazine.com/current-issue-aktuelle-ausgabe/poetry-gedichte/umid-najjari/
- Belgium
- https://www.iwabogdani.org/2021/12/14/poems-by-umid-najjari/ 5.134.52.249 ( talk) 19:46, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- I am not sure you are hearing me. I have used Google Translate to read these articles-- some of the links you provided are only links to his poems; others are links to discussion of these poems. In order for us to host an article on this person, we need references that discuss him, ones that tell us where he grew up, where he studied, who has influenced him, etc., not analysis of his works (though these are helpful). I understand you feel very strongly about his poetry, and firmly believe he is notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article. But we can't create the substance of an article about him by reading critiques of his poems. Even the article that describes his being given an award at a university is all about the awards ceremony and recounts who was there and did what-- it doesn't tell us anything about him other than that he got an award (or at least, I didn't see anything-- correct me if you feel I am wrong). The article that mentions an international award he had won, and which states that he himself notified them that he got the award, is a perfect example of the kind of coverage that does NOT augment a notability argument because it lacks
WP:INDEPENDENCE.
A loose necktie (
talk)
15:30, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hello Mr. A loose necktie ( talk) I understand your position very well. Yes, you are right that I have great love for human creativity. The arguments you mentioned are not unreasonable, but they are not a reason to delete a person's page. In the links here, the person's creativity has been evaluated. If he was an insignificant poet, he would not have been invited to international poetry festivals. I am familiar with the WP:INDEPENDENCE. And I know the requirements for individuals there. There it is written that in addition to the degree of importance of the person, the work done by him is also important. In the links above, Umid Najjari's work is widely described.I will put the important parts mentioned in WP:INDEPENDENCE here.-- Rövşən İşık ( talk) 09:35, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:02, 3 August 2022 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:51, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete does not meet the GNG. -- Guerillero Parlez Moi 12:16, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.