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The result was no consensus. ( non-admin closure) NorthAmerica 1000 08:54, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Trevor James Constable
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No coverage in depth enough to pass WP:AUTHOR. There is literally only one paragraph in one book [1] that mentions Constable, and this is in relation to his musings on UFO creatures. LuckyLouie ( talk) 16:22, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
- Delete -- classic instance of failing WP:BIO. jps ( talk) 17:54, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
- Delete due to absence of reliable independent sources. Guy ( Help!) 19:07, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
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- Comment Oh good grief, is this, and this and this and this, with accusations of fraud against the then-fugitive Constable the same guy? - LuckyLouie ( talk) 19:32, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
- Keep or Move - I've added three sources in and removed the blatant copyvio that was taking up half the article before. He's in a few other books as well and seems to have had an impact on cryptozoology and the history of UFO-ology. The two objections I can see people raising are A: This is utterly insane - which is true, but so is the rest of this 'field', you've got to look at it as it is. B: One of your sources is Brad Steiger - I accept that he, too, is insane - but I defy you to find anybody else as knowledgeable about the history of the subject. If he were talking about theories as if they were true, I would agree. He seems to simply be recounting the supposed facts.
- Also yes! It is the same guy! I think that adds to the notability whilst also adding to the batshit insanity. (The Brad Steiger book also talks about that, but does so in a non-neutral light so I didn't add it)
Panyd
The muffin is not subtle 19:36, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
- Added a section on the added insanity. Ripped $3.2 million off of the Malaysian government. With pipes to influence chi. $3.2 million. Panyd The muffin is not subtle 19:32, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
- Comment The skeptic Ronald Story covers a page on the ideas of Constable and other similar writers [2] from The Mammoth Encyclopedia of Extraterrestrial Encounters. Constable was also in a video documentary [3]. Not sure if it is reliable but also information on Constable in Far Out: 101 Strange Tales From Science's Outer Edge by the writer Mark Pilkington [4]. Another reliable source would be UFO Religion: Inside Flying Saucer Cults and Culture by Gregory Reece which mentions the ideas of Constable on one page [5] and dam it's a shame I don't have access to the book but I have just discovered that the science writer/skeptic Morris Goran has included a few pages in his book on debunking Constable's wacky ideas. The book is The Modern Myth: Ancient Astronauts and UFOs which was one of the first books to debunk Von Daniken. Goblin Face ( talk) 22:28, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
- Unfortunately the 101 Strange Tales bit at least is a word-of-word copy of one of the sources already in there. Going to look at the others later, but that one is out. Panyd The muffin is not subtle 12:20, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
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- Keep - per adding of reliable sources and removal of copyvio problems.-- BabbaQ ( talk) 09:54, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- Keep, given the addition of reliable sources etc. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry ( Message me) 14:35, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. ( non-admin closure) NorthAmerica 1000 08:54, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Trevor James Constable
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No coverage in depth enough to pass WP:AUTHOR. There is literally only one paragraph in one book [1] that mentions Constable, and this is in relation to his musings on UFO creatures. LuckyLouie ( talk) 16:22, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
- Delete -- classic instance of failing WP:BIO. jps ( talk) 17:54, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
- Delete due to absence of reliable independent sources. Guy ( Help!) 19:07, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
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- Comment Oh good grief, is this, and this and this and this, with accusations of fraud against the then-fugitive Constable the same guy? - LuckyLouie ( talk) 19:32, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
- Keep or Move - I've added three sources in and removed the blatant copyvio that was taking up half the article before. He's in a few other books as well and seems to have had an impact on cryptozoology and the history of UFO-ology. The two objections I can see people raising are A: This is utterly insane - which is true, but so is the rest of this 'field', you've got to look at it as it is. B: One of your sources is Brad Steiger - I accept that he, too, is insane - but I defy you to find anybody else as knowledgeable about the history of the subject. If he were talking about theories as if they were true, I would agree. He seems to simply be recounting the supposed facts.
- Also yes! It is the same guy! I think that adds to the notability whilst also adding to the batshit insanity. (The Brad Steiger book also talks about that, but does so in a non-neutral light so I didn't add it)
Panyd
The muffin is not subtle 19:36, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
- Added a section on the added insanity. Ripped $3.2 million off of the Malaysian government. With pipes to influence chi. $3.2 million. Panyd The muffin is not subtle 19:32, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
- Comment The skeptic Ronald Story covers a page on the ideas of Constable and other similar writers [2] from The Mammoth Encyclopedia of Extraterrestrial Encounters. Constable was also in a video documentary [3]. Not sure if it is reliable but also information on Constable in Far Out: 101 Strange Tales From Science's Outer Edge by the writer Mark Pilkington [4]. Another reliable source would be UFO Religion: Inside Flying Saucer Cults and Culture by Gregory Reece which mentions the ideas of Constable on one page [5] and dam it's a shame I don't have access to the book but I have just discovered that the science writer/skeptic Morris Goran has included a few pages in his book on debunking Constable's wacky ideas. The book is The Modern Myth: Ancient Astronauts and UFOs which was one of the first books to debunk Von Daniken. Goblin Face ( talk) 22:28, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
- Unfortunately the 101 Strange Tales bit at least is a word-of-word copy of one of the sources already in there. Going to look at the others later, but that one is out. Panyd The muffin is not subtle 12:20, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:00, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
- Keep - per adding of reliable sources and removal of copyvio problems.-- BabbaQ ( talk) 09:54, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
- Keep, given the addition of reliable sources etc. Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry ( Message me) 14:35, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
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